Whats wrong with Dubya's ad? NOTHING!

[NRAJOE]

Whats wrong with Dubya's ad? NOTHING!
Listening to talk radio on the way home yesterday, the commentator was pushing for Libs to explain why the Bush campaign ad with a quick shot of firemen carrying a flag draped coffin was causing so much heated controversy. A woman called in and rambled about how that was then, she wanted to hear about now, and the future and the ecomomy, etc etc. It was all rather vague, she was kind of fussing but wasn't really saying anything very specific, the commentator pressed her and then she kind of blurted out, she said she was tired of seeing 911, she didn't want to think about death, she sees too much death, car crashes and all, she finally said she was tired of seeing the flag... at that part the commentator cut her off, far too interested in hearing himself talk than letting her say something important. I found this to be a moment of great revelation.

I never until then realized how intrinsic to the liberal thinking and personna is denial of the reality of the Sept 11 attack, the reality and certainty of terrorism on OUR shores. They hate Bush, not for HOW he is dealing with terrorism, but BECAUSE he is dealing directly with the problem, and they want a president who will tell them the boogie man is gone, in fact he never really exsisted anyway. It makes so much sense, the liberals all curse Bush's handling of the war on terrorism, but NOT ONE HAS SAID HOW THEY WOULD DO IT DIFFERENTLY. because they don't want to think about it. They want to believe that if they don't think about terrorism it will go away, or better yet, it will be forgotten as if it never happened.

Kerry said within weeks he'd end the war on terrorism, I wanted to hear how, but now I see, he'll just call it off. He'll ask everybody to close their eyes, and click their heels 3 times and when they open their eyes, it'll all be over, and we won't ever talk about it again. And think how well that even fits in with his Vietnam experience. He found it terrible, he came home and actively fought to stop it, just make it go away. He has voted against every weapons, intelligence or defense program since because he has embraced a state of compulsive denial of the unpleasant or violent things in life.

There can be no greater insult to the people who died on Sept 11 than to say we don't want to think about it, unless it is to say we don't want to do anything about it.

[Smokin Guns]

There can be no greater insult to the people who died on Sept 11 than to say we don't want to think about it, unless it is to say we don't want to do anything about it.

Yep! I'm with ya Joe (nice ta see yer typin also), i'd like to see Bush start singin' on the Pro-Gun wagon about anytime though...;)


Kerry Sux!...

[inplanotx]

I never until then realized how intrinsic to the liberal thinking and personna is denial of the reality of the Sept 11 attack, the reality and certainty of terrorism on OUR shores

Hey, don't believe it, ask Shizamus. He knows all about it. Unfortunately he has never laid down the facts of his criticism. Just spouts off about it and expects you to believe it because he said it!



Kerry said within weeks he'd end the war on terrorism, I wanted to hear how, but now I see, he'll just call it off.

That's about the same length of Kerry's service to the US. However, in that time, he was able to get three purple hearts, a Bronze star and a Silver star and then find an obscure law to relieve him of his duties after four months in country and go protest against the very people he fought with!

[Evilahole]

If GWB is exploiting 9/11 using that fleating image in his add, then isn't Kerry being a publicity whore with his adds showing him in his Viet Nam get-up?
Why is it wrong for one and perfectly acceptable for the other?
Kerry is a flat out lunitic who will most assuredly be worse than Klinton if he ever gets into office.
It will be a perfect excuse for several states to get out of the US.

[Sackett]

Nuthin is wrong with the ad. If anything, its underplayed, but that just goes to show the class our Pres. has. Sometimes I wish he would come out swinging or let go with both barrels. That might get some "middle of the roaders" or undecided to see the truth and that there are now MAJOR differences between the parties.
The people who hate Pres. Bush are going to hate him NO MATTER what he does. Nothing will persuade them to do otherwise.
I hope the Republican's ads are tough and can provide a slap in the face to those who have criticized the Pres. every move.
Truth is truth and the Pres. has been upfront with us every step of the way.
Yol Bolsun.

[armedandsafe]

Heard something yesterday which brought back some fuzzy memories. FDR campaigned on WWII when running for a 4th term.

Pops

[glocknut]

Its been my observation that everytime the Dems accuse Bush or the republicans of doing something, like playing class warfare to devide people......it turns out that the accusation more correctly fits what the dems are doing, not Bush!!??

They're accusing Bush of being a Democrat!!!!!

mike

[KTX]

The problem here is both leaders of their parties are not true patriots to the state. John Kerry and George W.Bush have failing histories with the public. I believe more focus should be put on what has happened in the time frame bush has been in office. You would expect any president to focus on it's people first and intitiate plans for every single citizen of the US, to have a sound life in the US. Dont spend the $187 billion in the war on Iraq, how about you spend some money on Massive Education reforms, and also re-structure the Education funding principles. Increased expenditures on Veterans that are in need of help, need more funding on Vet hospitals to take care of the growing amount of Veterans there are. I myself even as one that is not from America, cannot bear to see Veterans having problems with Vet hospital wait times. These are people that have risked their lives and were injured because they chose to follow the road their nation asked of them. And now you want to cutback on that budget? Come on let's be realistic, I would increase the Vet hospitals budget by as much as they needed it, since the US can clearly afford it.

Make sure every America that chooses to retire has something to retire for. After 30 or 40 years of work, you expect the rest of your days to be "gravy". Their is no need for oyu to work into your late 50's or early 60's. These people served the capitalistic quota, now it's their turn to get something back.


You look at a nation through it's low's not it's high's. So what if you have massive technological breakthroughs, what good is it for those that can barely afford to rent their appartments, or buy food. Tax breaks should happen to those that dont have money, and those that do rightfully should get taxed more. It is about survival and what difference does it make if a rich individual loses a small portion of their riches? It doesn't and it shouldn't hurt.

The government should control the finances much more then it currently does. Although I dont see that happening with corporate executives running the show. :/

THe only thing Bush has done was the wars he chose to persue. You do not honor the 9/11 victims by killing more, you honor them by leaving memorials that remind us continously how this world can be if we keep on being selfish brats that try to conquer the world. That's the reminder, we shouldn't go on killing more people because we want to revenge the kills. How about use some of that intellect and choose to follow a different direction.

George Bush and John Kerry are not going to be the savoiurs or teh answers to your questions. So what's needed is an alternative that chooses to be a patriot to a state. And yet I havn't seen anyone like that in the US. So vote for either one, it wont change anything for the average person that wants some increased benefits in their lives.

[armedandsafe]

KTX = Karl T marX?

Pops

[armedandsafe]

eXcite is running a poll on this question. As of 03/07/04 10:25AM:
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Do you think that ads featuring 9/11 images are appropriate for President Bush's political campaign?

Yes 47% => 4474 votes

No 48% => 4611 votes

I'm not sure 2% => 219 votes

I don't care 1% => 148 votes
Current number of voters: 9452
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If you are a registered member, you can vote.

Pops

[KTX]

Heh, calling me a marxist?

Our 'democratic' system is a failure since it's incorporated with corporations.

Once you give someone the power to represent you, it's the moment when you become a part of the lost flock :)


Also how does a poll represent America? It's barely 10,000 people that voted.

And now dont try to base it on statiscal averages, since that has a error % of near 90% :)

[1952Sniper]

Make sure every America that chooses to retire has something to retire for. After 30 or 40 years of work, you expect the rest of your days to be "gravy". Their is no need for oyu to work into your late 50's or early 60's. These people served the capitalistic quota, now it's their turn to get something back.
KTX, the reason you're being compared to Marx is because you talk like a socialist. America is not a socialist or communist country. Programs like you describe above are not acceptable here. At least not yet. The socialists are working very hard to convert America into a fat, lazy nation like the all of Europe has become.

Since you're not an American, I wouldn't expect you to know or understand our Constitution. But here in the US, the role of our government is not to provide a cushy retirement for everyone. In fact, programs such as this are patently unconstitutional.

And aside from that, the President is not the one who passes laws or decides how money is spent. That is the job of Congress. He can request that they do certain things, but they are not required to comply.

[tuckerd1]

Originally posted by KTX
THe only thing Bush has done was the wars he chose to persue. You do not honor the 9/11 victims by killing more, you honor them by leaving memorials that remind us continously how this world can be if we keep on being selfish brats that try to conquer the world. That's the reminder, we shouldn't go on killing more people because we want to revenge the kills. How about use some of that intellect and choose to follow a different direction.


Us? We? Don't you live in Canada. You got a mouse in yer pocket?

[Marlin]

Sounds worse than Neville Chamberlain but then, who's to criticize a poor Canadian with Limey blood.....

[tuckerd1]

Must be The UN schooling. Preparing them for the day of UN world rule.

TO HELL YOU SAY!!! BLASPHEMY!!!

[SouthernMoss]

Careful, fellas. Let's stick to the issues here. :)




You do not honor the 9/11 victims by killing more

KTX-- unfortunately, violence is the only thing these terrorists understand. We have turned the other cheek time after time, and the terrorist groups laugh in our face and call us wimps. We finally chose to speak to them in the only language they understand.

[Gunguy]

Marlin, limey blood??? There's Frenchies up there too you know.

And they are the same type that reside in France...the yellow belly speckel twitter beaks viriety.

Jim

[Marlin]

Thanks GG. I have a lot of that Limey blood myself, along with the Scotch and Irish. You will note that I said, "A Canadian with....." My reference was to a British descendent who would have felt some loyalty to the Queen and her representative back then.


I wasn't even thinking about the French descendents. They stand in a different world altogether.....

:) :) :) :confused: :) :)

[kaylan1]

They're both bonesmen, if it matters. same group will pull the strings no matter who has the office.

[TF118]

Originally posted by KTX
[B]
Make sure every America that chooses to retire has something to retire for.


THe only thing Bush has done was the wars he chose to persue. You do not honor the 9/11 victims by killing more, you honor them by leaving memorials that remind us continously how this world can be if we keep on being selfish brats that try to conquer the world. That's the reminder, we shouldn't go on killing more people because we want to revenge the kills. How about use some of that intellect and choose to follow a different direction./B]

So you suggest that we, the greedy, selfish American’s are to blame for 9/11 !?!
We should not pursue those responsible either directly or indirectly because somehow we deserved it !?!
I applaud President Bush for having the intestinal fortitude to stand up and say “NO MORE !”…to retaliate against the terrorist and any associate’s …

If we allow terrorist to strike without fear of retribution and allow them to thrive then why would anyone give a dam about retiring here ?

To do nothing would be the greatest dishonor to the victim’s of 9/11
To take no action would be to condone 9/11

Also you mentioned something about us (quote) “we keep on being selfish brats that try to conquer the world.”

We are not now nor have we ever considered “conquering the world” That was Hitler & all the other fools that we protected the world from

(quote) “That's the reminder, we shouldn't go on killing more people because we want to revenge the kills.”

It isn’t revenge …its JUSTICE …we’re killing terrorist’s

VOTE BUSH …He is a PATRIOT … he talks the talk and walks the walk…

[armedandsafe]

Easy, guys. I didn't really plan on precipitating a mud slinging contest here. You're making us all look like politicians. :D

Pops

[DemonDesert]

Originally posted by KTX
You look at a nation through it's low's not it's high's. So what if you have massive technological breakthroughs, what good is it for those that can barely afford to rent their appartments, or buy food. Tax breaks should happen to those that dont have money, and those that do rightfully should get taxed more. It is about survival and what difference does it make if a rich individual loses a small portion of their riches? It doesn't and it shouldn't hurt.

The government should control the finances much more then it currently does. Although I dont see that happening with corporate executives running the show.

Why wouldn't you look at both a nation's strengths and virtues, as well as its weaknesses and failings? You don't judge a person in that way, or shouldn't, so why judge a collective of people in a different fashion? Doesn't compute.

And I don't see these masses of unemployed/underemployed/starving folks you mention. My wife and I have worked our rear ends off for what we have, and about the only check to our financial well-being comes in the form of overly burdensome local and federal taxes. To the extent that there are people who don't have enough to have comfortable lives, and I agree there are those, but not to the degree you assert, then I say that the main stumbling block to their economic liberation is people such as yourself who believe the government should control private finances. Such manipulations are destroying private enterprise and this country. Tax breaks should be for everyone, both for the employed and the employers (who, believe it or not, create jobs and stimulate the economy--the government never has and never will).

[JohnK3]

If you want to know WHY corporations are off-shoring, look at the tax burden they suffer under in order to hire domestic employees.

[KTX]

1952Sniper
Programs like you describe above are not acceptable here. At least not yet. The socialists are working very hard to convert America into a fat, lazy nation like the all of Europe has become.

America should be lazy and fat, there is no problem for America wanting itself to be lazy. The French and German economies are not exactly world class, and most of Europe is going to be in a downfall unless all the countries of Europe unite, like the EU. The EU is going to ban exporting jobs out of europe and it's going to look forward to nations such as Poland, Slovakia, and other Eastern European members that have a low GDP. And a low pay work force. The EU is without a doubt not a bad plan, they are learning from the US's failures and it's success'. But it destroys a nationality to those citizens that feel they can only be represented through a country and not a state.

And aside from that, the President is not the one who passes laws or decides how money is spent. That is the job of Congress. He can request that they do certain things, but they are not required to comply.

I am aware of the American constitution. I only see it fit for me to understand that in which every American cheerishes, and to understand what Americans uphold. I've read it, I understand it, but I do not accept all of it. My beliefs on how every single country should be run are varied. With the US I believe it's politics should keep on protecting the financial stabilitiy of every American. I do not like the fact that America chooses to create wars. And this is well illustrated through past wars America has fought in. Wars are great financial surges, but I do not believe they are supposed to be used for purely monetary pruposes.

tuckerd1 ,

I believe I should be concerned about where a neighbour goes. My concern is for myself to know how America is going to try to invade Canada for Oil, once Canada chooses to stop sending Oil to America.

The UN should be destroyed, a waste of time, that delays the facts. It's validity is the aid it spreads around to 3rd world nations, that create hostilities with foreign governments.

Marlin,

Wrong you may always choose to be. Arrogance, it's nice to see once in a while.

SouthernMoss,

I would hope not every human being understands one language. But yes I do understand, vengence is needed. Although invading countries that dont support terrorism but tyranny, should not be Americas plan.

Gunguy,

Nothings wrong with the French, they helped you guys afterall to defeat the Imperialistic British. Shouldn't you hate Britains because they tried to control you?

TF118,

Involvement in places you shouldn't of been involved in was the problem. It gives a reason for terrorists to strike America. UBl was/is claiming the reason why America was struck on 9/11, was because of, reason 1, Imperialistic Americans live near the sacred lands of Mecca (saudi Arabia), they are Imperialistic, they have struck the brothers of palestine, and supported jewish conspirators in their campaign of expansionism on Arabian land.
American forces should only be in one country, and that is America, there is no need to have American bases in Saudi Arabia for over 20 years. This is why UBL has problems with the US, that and because the US taught him how to fight oppressors.

I am so ******* surprised Americans havn't caught UBL, and sentenced him to a public butcher competition. Catch him and let him reveal his information of American involvement or any intelligence that can help us convinct American non-patriots, so that Americans no longer are deceived. And then sentence him by the public.

Although UBL's credibility is not that good :)

It's not justice, it's murdering.

And Dont vote Bush or Kerry, vote for someone you trust, in which I would assume it's yourself.


DemonDesert,

I thank Americans for giving me the opportunities to work in Florida, Texas, Colorado. It was a wonderful time I had while I worked in America as a apprentice. Couldn't of had a better 2 years of my life. I thank America for protecting Canada, and scaring away those that wish to invade or do troubles in Canada. I thank America for being America. But I do not like America for being America. This is why I wish to see a different road for Americans to follow. But this is me as a foreigner that understands nothing of Americans. Right (:P).

I see a problem when politicians support those that outsource American jobs. Yes it was the inevitable result of American industrial evolution. But you must know what to do once evolution occurs. There must be protocols that continue on stimulating every American's lifes. Nor you nor I can say anything about America when speaking of generalities. I can say out of theory, problems exist because of evolution occurs in every capitalistic society. But that is theory and not a fact. The fact is we dont know what the true fact is, the jobless market is hving on Americans. But I can have a system of believes that states, any person that starts to lose a source of income for a month or 2, starts to have some pretty horrible financial problems. Expecially for those Americans that have loans to credit card companies, and other expenditures they have to put money towards. Re-training occurs, but there is a quota of new jobs and new markets. You do have to create a new job market that find's millions of jobs for people that are in dire need of jobs.

[DemonDesert]

Originally posted by KTX
I thank America for being America. But I do not like America for being America. This is why I wish to see a different road for Americans to follow. But this is me as a foreigner that understands nothing of Americans. Right (:P).

As for the first two sentences of the above quotation, I guess you'll have to run that one by me again, I don't get it. And as to the last sentence quoted above, no, apparently not.

[DemonDesert]

And by the way, your portrayal of Israel defending herself against a lot of barbaric, murderous thugs as a land-grabbing conspiracy perpetrated by evil Zionists is, in my view, not only puerilely simplistic, but also noxiously anti-Semetic.

[LIKTOSHOOT]

KTX, may I be so bold....as to ask. What you do and your age??
It would help my retort.



LTS

[Kev]

I'd kinda like to see what would happen if we (The USA) did what the rest of the world says they want. Pack up all our toys and come home. Pull all our troops home, all US corporations, and most importantly, ALL USA FOREIGN AID!
Have the President start calling all the countries of the world one at a time, "Hey, we need to talk. We're gonna have to call in all your debts. Remember those loans that we've been sending? Yeah, we're gonna need those back. We want to invest that money in renewable energy so that we're not meddling in world affairs like you guys ask for. Cash will be just fine, I don't think that we would be able to find a liquor store to cash a check that big. You can drop it off at the border sometime next week. Thanks!"

We would need to close our borders as well, perhaps building islands several miles offshore as landing strips for international flights. Stop the plane, get everyone off, unload everything, strip 'em naked, search every article with them, then reload them for the short jump to an airport on the mainland. Stays for longer than one month require the person to wear one of the tracking devices currently used for prisoners on house arrest. No student visas. If they want an education, then they need to get it in their home country.

Many more radical ideas, but you get the idea.:D

[berto64]

Thanks for excusing KTX from class.
He sure didn't show much.

berto

[whiteclouder]

KTX:

I, like LTS would be interested in knowing your age. I'd guess about 30 and not Canadian born.

Both of the major conflicts in the last century were thrust on the US. Had we not been forced to enter, the world would be a totally different place now. Do you speak German? You would.

Ours is a capitalist society. Your EARN what you get. If you don't work, you have less. We won't let you starve, poverty in America is a very small problem unless you expect everyone to be equal (liberal agenda - redistribution of all wealth.)

We are also a republican democracy. If you don't like something, you change it by making laws to support your point of view. If you hold a minority view, tough row to hoe for you. Somehow. over the course of time, it's worked better than anything before.

We are also a tolerant people. To a point. Crap on us and we'll tear an arm off and beat you to death with the bloody end. Then we'll take care of your family.

We also have gates that open. No one is trapped here, they are free to leave. For every one wnating to go, there are 100 ready to replace them.

Remember KTX, ignorance can be cured, stupidity is terminal.

Clouder..

[rosierita]

Tax breaks should happen to those that dont have money, and those that do rightfully should get taxed more. It is about survival and what difference does it make if a rich individual loses a small portion of their riches? It doesn't and it shouldn't hurt.

i see someone has already tackled this, lets just say, this person is NOT a business owner.;) LMBO! um ~ wanna really get educated on what companies pay in taxes, become self-employeed! IMHO, companies, who pay the matching taxes of their employees (employee pays 15% in ss & medicare & the company pays the matching 15%, in addition to 30% self employment taxes for themselves). companies need additional tax cuts! not more tax increases! if our company was bigger & had an option to move in order to escape some of our tax burden, you could bet your bottom dollar that we would!;) there is not much incentive to hire employees these days, from a tax standpoint & gov. do NOT create wealth!! never have, never will!

i think this person has some serious crack in their peace pipe..... & before i get scolded for that comment, i have zero sympathy for someone who holds these beliefs. this person's thread is NOT what makes america!;)