New socialist weakling Spanish primeminister wants to bring his troops back from Iraq

[Remington597]

The coward is trying to cater to people's emotions after the train bombings. Typical socialist weakling coward. It figures. It only proves one point. ,in the thick of things, history repeats itself. The only two countries we can count are , are Great Britain and Israel.

[Remington597]

Tidbits on wisdom.


1.1982. Two Iraqi F16s bomb an Iraqi nuclear reactor to bits.
2.1982 British Harriers blast an Argentian navy convoy to smitherines.

(both countries were dictatorships at the time).(Argentina and Iraq)

Where else do you find that kind of initiative ,other than the US.

[glocknut]

The Brits could be just as influenced as the spaniards were by the bombing.....

Alot of Brits don't support their contribution to the war.......

And as far as Isreal is concerned......It is my honest opinion that they don't retaliate (sp)? hard enough !!!!!


mike

[Remington597]

Glocknut:
I like the way you think.

or as Sean Connory said in the "Untouchables"

"He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send two of his to the morgue"

LOL

[Gunguy]

Where can we get ahold of the Communist manifesto. I would like to post that for all to see and understand the socialist aims and how they work.

It is a real eye openner to their debase stratagems to rule the world.

It is so freaken evil of such low-life to pull the crap they pull.

Gunguy

[Marlin]

Born of and fed generously by satan!

I would say the same of the Charter of the UN, based almost word for word on the ??Constitution?? of the USSR. If people would only read both items, they would cringe to put all kinds of things going on in our country today squarely in those pages. Our newest rush into Political Correctness (terror is a better way to describe it!) grows directly out of both documents, and, of course, the USSR/UN charters each arise originally from the manifesto.

It's not a laughing matter by any means.

[rosierita]

And as far as Isreal is concerned......It is my honest opinion that they don't retaliate (sp)? hard enough !!!!!
amen to that! i'll say this, IMHO ~ one of america's mistakes has been to ask israel to hold back!
"He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send two of his to the morgue"
;) there ya have it!

[1952Sniper]

I foresee Britain following suit with Spain.

You have to remember that the Spanish people were never in support of the war in Iraq. Their government decided to take the high road and follow us, against the wishes of the majority of their citizens. That, coupled with the terrorist bombing, led to the downfall of the ruling party.

The same situation exists in Britain. The majority of people there are opposed to helping the US. It's only a matter of time before Tony Blair and his party are voted out, in favor of a more socialist-friendly party.

And in reality, I expect the same to happen here in the US as well. Note the large amount of support John Kerry is getting these days....

[rosierita]

sniper, i'm generally a positive type person.....
i'm positive that the majority of the american people wont be fooled by scary kerry! :D ;)

IMHO ~ the majority of americans are silent & their voices arent being heard.... (bc they have no outlet).

[tuckerd1]

Originally posted by rosierita
sniper, i'm generally a positive type person.....
i'm positive that the majority of the american people wont be fooled by scary kerry! :D ;)

IMHO ~ the majority of americans are silent & their voices arent being heard.... (bc they have no outlet).

I pray that you are right. But.....

Clinton fooled them TWICE!!!!

[rosierita]

yeah, but ya know ~ the times were different then. there hadnt been a 9-11!:( i think people are paying more attention to things these days, well ~ that is my hope. i cant help to be to optimistic about this.
have ya'll ever been to vote.com?? look here! (http://www.vote.com/) . i usually keep an eyeball on this site. last time i looked, the site says that 1.7 million visit & vote on this site! of course, not every vote has a HIGH number of votes, but you can get a pretty good idea of what people are thinking ~ IMHO. also, you can see the results of how people are voting. it's awesome!:)

[1952Sniper]

i'm positive that the majority of the american people wont be fooled by scary kerry!
You have more faith than I, my friend. As much as I hate to admit it, America has turned into a nation of sheep. They are like puppets. They are easily swayed by politicians who dangle candy in front of their eyes. Social security, prescription drug benefits, tax cuts, you name it. Those are all "teasers" that politicians use to sway people to their side, as well as keeping the peoples' minds off of the important issues. Some idiots out there will actually cast their vote for President based on prescription drug benefits, while totally ignoring the larger issues.

[Gunguy]

I agree with Sniper, the American people for the most part have no reasoning when it comes to politics.

The two party system is about money, money to put up a no credibility gutless front runner up against the incumbrent ruiling regiem...who in turn puts up the big bucks to get himself reelected.

There is no moral choice, there is only what they give us to choose from...some choice.

It is damn near as bad as the North Korean regiem that brain washes its people into following like sheelple and praise to their know nothing leader is corrupt as hell.

Here in America, you can BS the people some of the time, until its time for reelection then it starts all over again...to BS the rest of the people the rest of the time.

The people are going to lose control of their government who is corrupt as hell, the politicos who make the laws are of a self interest cult groups within their two party system.

It seems to need an act of God to set it straight and back on course that our founding fathers of this nation innitiated back in the late 1700s.

Gunguy

[danurve]

Dead is dead. Aside from the amount of bodies (not to compare 9/11 & the attack on Spain) the result is death from terrorists. What happened in the US was a unification of patriotism the country hasn't seen since I can't remember. What we see happening in Spain is the socialists showing a yellow streak signaling a victory for the terrorists. I don't understand this behavior. Where they raised as sheep to pen themselves? Do they not know better, did their educational system bainwash their current generation just as liberals in our public schools are attempting to do to our children today?

Islam, the religion of peace my @ss. They want us dead, and that is what I belive from 42 years of reality. I also know sh|t happens, that is my religion. When I see countries and people cower to terrorists and political correctness it makes me sick and angry. I see sheep that want to live in utopia, those who ignore the wolves just outside their glass house.

[Shizamus]

Here are the 10 measures the proletariat will use to bring about the full realization of the communist utopian dream, once they have the political power:

Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.





http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/keller5.html

[Marlin]

Great information, Shiz.

I recommend that everyone read the piece on Lew Rockwell's Website. It should open a few eyes!!

[rosierita]

thanks for the site shiz!:) ya know, although at times things do look bleak for this country..... there are people like us, w/ attitudes like ours.... we cannot sit around on our butts & wait for someone else to take action!;) if you want something done, you gotta do it yourself! :D that's my motto!:p
ya know, just 3 days ago, i was only posting on what i consider a very liberal board. i dont keep my opinions to myself about politics & religion (although i am respectful) ~ & actually, now there are more posters there that are starting to voice their opinions & i think that is just awesome!:D (they're "bucking" the system!:p ) heehee, we're giving those libs a run for their money.:D i'm trying to be proactive in my stance & i'm trying to encourage that in my children (they are homeschooled) & in the people around me, we all need to adopt that attitude! dont let these people & these politicians w/ their spin machines get you down! just get even!
it is everyone's desire to be truly free ~ it is human nature to want that ~ you just gotta become effective in removing the blinders from some of their eyes, so that they can SEE what is around them! so yeah, i do tend to see things positively..... i just cant help myself!:D

oh yeah, let me add this ~ what God blesses, NO ONE can curse.

[Shizamus]

Good points Rosierita :)

[Remington597]

Great thoughts everyone and I love this forum for this reason.

Consider this.

1968: John Kerry: Yale Skull and Bones.
1969: George Bush: Yale Skull and Bones.

Look!, they can cloud themselves in whatever democratic and republican coating they want. They are still part of the CFR establishment who's eventual goal is the replacement of our divine Constitution with the Demonic UN charter through progressive global dissarmament and a one world state. Just look at The Free Trade of the Americas initiative and the erasing of our borders and the obliteration of the Judeo Christian way of life. This is Global Bolshevism as invisioned by Marx.
It boils down to this, those who crave power and authority are servants of lucifer, those who bow their heads in humility and obedience to God, are partiots and this will be the last battle ground for the defense of our Republic. We will of course prevail and they will end up in the bowels of history. They may control the media but they will be humbled before God just like the rest of us. The EU and Brazil have virtually outlawed guns. Europe and South America are both lost. Australia is done. Most African nations are lawless, most Asian nations surrendered their guns long ago. Canada is next, Mexico is a corrupt panzy state, and America is the last battleground in our fight against Global Bolshevism. They crave power like a drug, they are servants of lucifer, and at his nipple they will drink.

[Silencer]

What Spain has decided to do is exit the war under a terrorist attack. This is a very stupid and dangerous action. This will prove, to the terrorists, that what they are doing is effective. This means more bombings will continue in other nations. I sense Britian, and Cananda are next.

I always thought that Spain was a country of pride, honor and courage. Who knew they were such cowards? I guess Spain is starting to disappear and evolve into something else, much like so many other great nations have throughout time.

[Gunguy]

I would expect Spain is no different than the rest of Europe as far as rolling over for the terrioist.

Jim

[Greg]

There will always be terrorists. Terrorists, or no terrorists, it will come down to socio-economics, military power, territory (strategically by geography and available natural resources), and the will and ability of the people to play an active role in their government.

Socialism is far more dangerous than Communism or Terrorism. It is very seductive, and an easily swallowed pill through the mouth of apathy, and a cancer in the mind of the misinformed.

What has happened to countries that move to a high income/low income gap, loosing their middle class?

What has happened to countries that loose their independence, a strong skills base, high education, manufacturing capabilities, and devalue their labor class? What happens to them when they deplete their natural resources, or need them from somewhere else?

What has happened to empires that attempt to occupy too much of the world, while not ensuring that the areas develop their own independent democracy?

What do we end up with then before the proverbial sh*t hits the fan? What will happen with the U.N. and NATO? Hypothetically, and you thought the cold war was bad...

- Independent Alliance (U.S., Israel, possibly Great Britain, possibly Canada, possibly Japan, possibly South Korea, Taiwan, and misc. countries)

- World "Democratic"? Alliance (European/Scandinavian countries, South America, Australia/New Zealand, Central & South Africa, Russia, Turkey, India, Mexico, and maybe eventually Great Britain-hope not)

- Asian Alliance (China, Southeast Asia, and North Korea)

- Middle Eastern Alliance (Non-Israel Middle East countries, Northern Africa, and possibly Pakistan)

Now ask yourself the following questions:
1) Just how important is it for the U.S. to continue to promote and support true democracy and independence of countries in the world now, while it still has a chance? Why do you think the CIA still exists, and has so many sleeper cells?

2) What happens to the U.S. if it becomes the only country of like mind in North America, and what will happen at the borders?

3) What happens if conflict arises in any of the smaller Independent countries, how isolated are they, who surrounds them, and who will support them?

4) If conflict arises in the Middle East amongst themselves, who will be drawn into opposition with each other? What would the outcome be? So does Iraq becoming a democracy, and not being allowed to have WMD look like such a bad thing now?

5) What countries are going to see the most economic growth, and possibly military as well? Won't these be the countries gaining in influence worldwide?

6) What country(ies) are best at discipline, strategy, long term planning, and are usually quiet, doing their own thing in the background even if it doesn't appear that way?

7) How much of the U.S. land is owned by other countries, and who are they? The same question holds true for the companies owned and operated in the U.S.

8) If the U.S. doesn't stay strong economically, what will happen to it militarily, and what will happen to its influence?

A global economy has a stabilizing effect (as long as it is tempered with coexistence, mutual cooperation, and mutual benefits). Capitalism has a stabilizing effect (as long as it is tempered with independence, democracy, justice, and moral righteousness). Our problem is that we aren't tempering them enough. This makes it much easier for terrorists to try and divide us. The U.S. can continue to be a leader in the world, or become apathetic, and let a general mess develop, that will be impossible to undo. If we allow this to happen, more than likely we will become involved in a real war, and I mean a REAL WAR. If this happens, three of the alliances mentioned above will become heavily invested and involved in it against each other, and one of the alliances will stand back and watch the other three become weaker. That, or we will become one world government, and no one can even imagine what that government, or the world would be like.

There are simply too many countries gaining in apathy and short-sightedness-who back away from commitment, and in carrying their fair share of the load. It is no easy task, a burden to be sure, and expensive in many ways-most things worthwhile are, but the U.S. (that is U.S. citizens properly represented) needs to continue to be a major leader in the world. I hope I am wrong, but I think we are on a slippery slope-in the world, and worse yet, within our own country.

One thing is for certain-the higher, the fewer.

[Gunguy]

Greg, a very good and informative post.

Jim :)

[Marlin]

That's some pretty heavy food for thought and we had all better do some heavy thinking about it!!!!!

Thanks, Greg.