Rep Joe Wilson calls obama Lier during speech tonight.

[GunHugger]

Buy Joe a beer!

Obama heckled by GOP during speech to Congress
(AP) – 47 minutes ago

WASHINGTON — The nastiness of August reached from the nation's town halls into the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday as President Barack Obama tried to move his health care plan forward.

South Carolina Republican Rep. Joe Wilson shouted "You lie!" after Obama had talked about illegal immigrants.

It wasn't the only interruption during Obama's speech to a joint session of Congress in the House of Representatives. Earlier, Republicans laughed when Obama acknowledged that there are still significant details to be worked out before a health overhaul can be passed.

Wilson's outburst caused Obama to pause briefly before he went on with his speech. Overhead in the visitors' gallery, first Lady Michelle Obama shook her head from side to side.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


YouTube Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0PqBiNUyqU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ear15%2Ecom%2Fforums%2Ftopic%2Ehtml%3Fb%3D1%26f%3D5%26t%3D925186&feature=player_embedded)

It's getting good.

[GunHugger]

Be sure to let Joe know what you think, maybe a contribution too.

His website is timing out tonight, maybe tomorrow.

http://joewilson.house.gov/

[Archie]

I am offended by stupid lies. If one lies to me, I expect at least a reasonably believable falsehood.

[bcj1755]

I missed the messiah's sermon tonight. I was doing something more important, I was watching "MacArthur."

[PunjabiPillbox]

I laughed my arse off watching Pelosi writhe... some welcome comic relief! -And Mizzz Michelle looked none too happy either...:D!

[artabr]

Joe's three words were about the only truth spoken in the chamber tonight.

I think I finally figured out why there is a raised speakers platform on the chamber floor.
It keeps their feet out of the bull c*ap they spray when they open their mouths. :mad:



Art

[PunjabiPillbox]

Did anyone notice the "invisible tear" Joey shed for T Kennedy's dream? It's also funny how Mr O calls out McCain for standing with the dems- and he looks like someone just crapped his pants every time... ahhh...

[Rocket J Squirl]

They should make a "BE LIKE JOE" sticker

[Kieran McCaig]

caught the repeat on cnn what a clown show

[artabr]

caught the repeat on cnn what a clown show

Would you expect anything different from Obozo? :rolleyes: :D


Art

[Terry_P]

They should make a "BE LIKE JOE" sticker

I like it.

It's terrible that Joe told the truth, it is so out of character with todays politicans. What we need are 300 more like him and term limits for the rest.

[rosierita]

what ticks me off is that joe apologized! :rolleyes:

[DEADEYE1964]

The problem I have with Joe Wilson is not what he said, it is that he apologized right after he said it. He his weak, he said what he thought and then apologized for it. Everyone knows Hussein is a liar and I think more people in Congress should tell it like it is. I guess they are afraid they will hurt Hussein's feelings.

[AL MOUNT]

God I hope I'm still alive next Nov. to watch the election. :eek:

Ole Slick Wille's making a few bucks on the speech circuit.


Hussein here, could make a gazillion bucks teaching his oratory skills!!!

[JetGirl]

what ticks me off is that joe apologized! :rolleyes:
BIG +1 to that ^ !!

[45nut]

what ticks me off is that joe apologized! :rolleyes:

I think it was okay to apologize. He at least said what we are all thinking. Maybe it wasn't the proper decorum to yell it out, but who really cares about decorum these days anyway?

Sarah Palin already said it "SAY IT AIN"T SO, JOE" :eek: :D :D :D

[oldogy]

We need a lot more folks to start calling a spade a spade and quit being so PC. Seems like the truth is becoming harder to find among lawmakers.

And the spade a spade is truth, no racial tones implied.

Good first call, Joe.

oldogy

[questor]

We need more passion from the Republicans like demonstrated by Joe Wilson. For the last hour, I have attempted to contact his web site: http://www.joewilson.house.gov/
and received the following message:

Joe Wilson

Due to exceptionally high traffic, this site is temporarily unavailable.

Please come back shortly.

[Marlin]

He called it AS IT IS !!!!!!

[SaddleSarge]

Good for 'ol Joe. Screw the liberal lie'n sacks of utilized food components. I love that the libs can't take what they've dished out during Bush's administration.

I can understand why he apologized though with the history and tradition of both houses. If he didn't, he may never get the floor to speak on anything for the remainder of his term if he were to be censured.

[kingchip]

It's OK that he apologized. The damage was done. Hussein was called out on live tv. The apology was behind the scenes. Good for him.

[4EvrLearning]

Screw the liberal lie'n sacks of utilized food components.

That was worth the price of admission today, Sarge! So glad to have you back postin' with us :)

As for Rep. Wilson...I'll make a visit to his site, as well, thanking him for speaking the truth that so many of us WISH we could say loudly enough to be heard by millions! I, too, understand the rules of the game that prompted him to apologize. But I think he needs to hear from those of us who applaud his honesty...ill-timed or ill-delivered as it may have been.

[mrkirker]

I hate that he did it, in that it lowers to the level of the opposition the closest thing that I have as a party affiliation, yet in a perverse way, I'm glad he 'misspoke' in the manner that he did. He voiced what many of us feel, regarding many of the statements made by the current occupant of the Oval Office.

[45nut]

I hate that he did it, in that it lowers to the level of the opposition the closest thing that I have as a party affiliation, yet in a perverse way, I'm glad he 'misspoke' in the manner that he did. He voiced what many of us feel, regarding many of the statements made by the current occupant of the Oval Office.

With that fine remark, I'll buy the refreshments when next you pass through Big D. :D

I have long stated that we need to forget taking the high road and do whatever is necessary to beat the libs. If we go down to their level, lets be sure to whip their @$$ when we're there. :mad:

[mrkirker]

You are ON, 45! LOL!
And notice everyone - that the word "refreshments" is plural!! (Yip-Yow!)

[Trouble 45-70]

My Wife didn't want to watch the speech, she said, "You know he is going yo lie". I was hollering at the screen, That's a lie, that' a lie! Then Congressman Wilson couldn't contain himself and called the President a lier. Only one honest passionate Congressman out of the whole lot. Way to go Joe.

[rosierita]

libs are destroying the constitution from the white house & people think that we should be politically correct?! :rolleyes: GMAB! we'll never get our country back that way.:mad:

[45nut]

libs are destroying the constitution from the white house & people think that we should be politically correct?! :rolleyes: GMAB! we'll never get our country back that way.:mad:

You speak the truth! But then most chicken farmers do!! :eek: :D :D


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>........(heading to the bunker :eek:)

[kingchip]

You speak the truth! But then most chicken farmers do!! :eek: :D :D


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>........(heading to the bunker :eek:)


That was an extremely fowl statement to make about a fellow member.

[45Auto]

I see no reason to be pleased by the decline in respect our elected officials show each other.

If Representative Wilson heard what he thought was a lie, what should he do? Wilson should tell his staff to get out his copy of the proposed legislation and highlight the parts which contradict President Obama. That would be far more effective. The Base will believe anything negative if it's about Obama, but - remember - independent Americans insist upon seeing and weighing the evidence.

Best regads,
Greg

[rosierita]

:rolleyes::D:cool::p

btw ~ joe wilson will be on wvoc w/ kevin cohen @ 5:08 pm (http://www.wvoc.com/main.html)

[bcj1755]

I'd have waited until Barry took the podium, and right before he said his first word...I'd have gotten up and walked out.:D

Maybe I should run for Congress:eek::D:p

[Bobitis]

As the assistant to the assistant advisor on mrkirkers advisory panel for advisory assistants, will I be invited?:)

[Doc1911]

Doesn't look like he was wrong:

By CALVIN WOODWARD and ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writers Calvin Woodward And Erica Werner, Associated Press Writers – Thu Sep 10, 3:15 am ET

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama used only-in-Washington accounting Wednesday when he promised to overhaul the nation's health care system without adding "one dime" to the deficit. By conventional arithmetic, Democratic plans would drive up the deficit by billions of dollars.

The president's speech to Congress contained a variety of oversimplifications and omissions in laying out what he wants to do about health insurance.

A look at some of Obama's claims and how they square with the facts or the fuller story:

___

OBAMA: "I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits either now or in the future. Period."

THE FACTS: Though there's no final plan yet, the White House and congressional Democrats already have shown they're ready to skirt the no-new-deficits pledge.

House Democrats offered a bill that the Congressional Budget Office said would add $220 billion to the deficit over 10 years. But Democrats and Obama administration officials claimed the bill actually was deficit-neutral. They said they simply didn't have to count $245 billion of it — the cost of adjusting Medicare reimbursement rates so physicians don't face big annual pay cuts.[/B]

Their reasoning was that they already had decided to exempt this "doc fix" from congressional rules that require new programs to be paid for. In other words, it doesn't have to be paid for because they decided it doesn't have to be paid for.

The administration also said that since Obama already had included the doctor payment in his 10-year budget proposal, it didn't have to be counted again.

That aside, the long-term prognosis for costs of the health care legislation has not been good.

CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf had this to say in July: "We do not see the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a significant amount."

___

OBAMA: "Nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have."

THE FACTS: That's correct, as far as it goes. But neither can the plan guarantee that people can keep their current coverage. Employers sponsor coverage for most families, and they'd be free to change their health plans in ways that workers may not like, or drop insurance altogether. The Congressional Budget Office analyzed the health care bill written by House Democrats and said that by 2016 some 3 million people who now have employer-based care would lose it because their employers would decide to stop offering it.

In the past Obama repeatedly said, "If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period." Now he's stopping short of that unconditional guarantee by saying nothing in the plan "requires" any change.
___

OBAMA: "The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally." One congressman, South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson, shouted "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber when Obama made this assertion. Wilson later apologized.

THE FACTS: The facts back up Obama. The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, but wouldn't get tax subsidies to help them. Still, Republicans say there are not sufficient citizenship verification requirements to ensure illegal immigrants are excluded from benefits they are not due.

[Federal money would still have to pay for children born to illegal immigrants.]

___

OBAMA: "Don't pay attention to those scary stories about how your benefits will be cut. ... That will never happen on my watch. I will protect Medicare."

THE FACTS: Obama and congressional Democrats want to pay for their health care plans in part by reducing Medicare payments to providers by more than $500 billion over 10 years. The cuts would largely hit hospitals and Medicare Advantage, the part of the Medicare program operated through private insurance companies.

Although wasteful spending in Medicare is widely acknowledged, many experts believe some seniors almost certainly would see reduced benefits from the cuts. That's particularly true for the 25 percent of Medicare users covered through Medicare Advantage.

Supporters contend that providers could absorb the cuts by improving how they operate and wouldn't have to reduce benefits or pass along costs. But there's certainly no guarantee they wouldn't.

___

OBAMA: Requiring insurance companies to cover preventive care like mammograms and colonoscopies "makes sense, it saves money, and it saves lives."

THE FACTS: Studies have shown that much preventive care — particularly tests like the ones Obama mentions — actually costs money instead of saving it. That's because detecting acute diseases like breast cancer in their early stages involves testing many people who would never end up developing the disease. The costs of a large number of tests, even if they're relatively cheap, will outweigh the costs of caring for the minority of people who would have ended up getting sick without the testing.

The Congressional Budget Office wrote in August: "The evidence suggests that for most preventive services, expanded utilization leads to higher, not lower, medical spending overall."

That doesn't mean preventive care doesn't make sense or save lives. It just doesn't save money.

___

OBAMA: "If you lose your job or change your job, you will be able to get coverage. If you strike out on your own and start a small business, you will be able to get coverage."

THE FACTS: It's not just a matter of being able to get coverage. Most people would have to get coverage under the law, if his plan is adopted.

In his speech, Obama endorsed mandatory coverage for individuals, an approach he did not embrace as a candidate.

He proposed during the campaign — as he does now — that larger businesses be required to offer insurance to workers or else pay into a fund. But he rejected the idea of requiring individuals to obtain insurance. He said people would get insurance without being forced to do so by the law, if coverage were made affordable. And he repeatedly criticized his Democratic primary rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton, for proposing to mandate coverage.

"To force people to get health insurance, you've got to have a very harsh penalty," he said in a February 2008 debate.

Now, he says, "individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance — just as most states require you to carry auto insurance."

He proposes a hardship waiver, exempting from the requirement those who cannot afford coverage despite increased federal aid.

___

OBAMA: "There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage."

THE FACTS: Obama time and again has referred to the number of uninsured as 46 million, a figure based on year-old Census data. The new number is based on an analysis by the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured, which concluded that about two-thirds of Americans without insurance are poor or near poor. "These individuals are less likely to be offered employer-sponsored coverage or to be able to afford to purchase their own coverage," the report said. By using the new figure, Obama avoids criticism that he is including individuals, particularly healthy young people, who choose not to obtain health insurance.

Obama Lied

Nothing new, but now there are some more facts.

[Bobitis]

I see no reason to be pleased by the decline in respect our elected officials show each other.

If Representative Wilson heard what he thought was a lie, what should he do? Wilson should tell his staff to get out his copy of the proposed legislation and highlight the parts which contradict President Obama. That would be far more effective. The Base will believe anything negative if it's about Obama, but - remember - independent Americans insist upon seeing and weighing the evidence.

Best regads,
Greg

No offense 45Auto, but had he waited, there would be no reporting of the matter. It would get swept under the rug, and NO ONE would be the wiser.
Joes outburst put the matter front and center in the media. Not even the MSM could not report it.

There was NO local coverage of the Van Jones debacle on any network in Seattle other than FOX.

The public needs to see this kind of outrage. Keeping it under the radar (so to speak), benefits no one.

Good job Joe!

Speak the truth in public, and apologize in private.:p:D

[Bobitis]

The problem I have with Joe Wilson is not what he said, it is that he apologized right after he said it. He his weak, he said what he thought and then apologized for it. Everyone knows Hussein is a liar and I think more people in Congress should tell it like it is. I guess they are afraid they will hurt Hussein's feelings.

When's the last time you accepted an apology from a politician?
It's always too late and after the fact. Do you think he's really sorry?:rolleyes:

His comment made front page news across the globe.
All eyes are now on this issue.

Had he not said anything?

Flame away Joe. Suck up later.:D

[Doc1911]

If the videos I am watching are accurate, I think it was actually a planned response. I note that no one around him is looking at him - but at the "O." That is not normal conduct when someone interupts..... My suspicion - and that is all it is - is that he did it and that others knew he was going to do it ....

[SaddleSarge]

His website is still down, so I found a blog demanding that he apologize that listed his fax number, so I faxed a "thank you" to him. Here's the number if anyone cares to do the same: (803) 939-0078

[questor]

His website is still down, so I found a blog demanding that he apologize that listed his fax number, so I faxed a "thank you" to him. Here's the number if anyone cares to do the same: (803) 939-0078

Thanks for the number.

I certainly will send him a check....

[USMC-03]

No offense 45Auto, but had he waited, there would be no reporting of the matter. It would get swept under the rug, and NO ONE would be the wiser.
Joes outburst put the matter front and center in the media. Not even the MSM could not report it.

There was NO local coverage of the Van Jones debacle on any network in Seattle other than FOX.

The public needs to see this kind of outrage. Keeping it under the radar (so to speak), benefits no one.

Good job Joe!

Speak the truth in public, and apologize in private.:p:D

Exactly on point Bob. It's very often better to do the right thing and ask forgiveness later; that's exactly what Joe Wilson did and I applaud him. He broke the House rules for decorum and Nancy Peloci's blood pressure to go up. The Democrats have been breaking the rules of the nation, i.e. Constitutional limitations, for decades.