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Shizamus
06-25-2003, 10:03 AM
The Law of the Flag, an International Law, which is recognized by every nation of the planet, is defined as:

"... a rule to the effect that a vessel is a part of the territory of the nation whose flag she flies. The term is used to designate the RIGHTS under which a ship owner, who sends his vessel into a foreign port, gives notice by his flag to all who enter into contracts with the ship master that he intends the Law of that Flag to regulate those contracts, and that they must either submit to its operation or not contract with him or his agent at all." Ref.: Ruhstrat v. People, 57 N.E. 41

By the doctrine of "four cornering" the flag establishes the law of the country that it represents. For example, the embassies of foreign countries, in Washington D.C., are "four cornered" by walls or fencing, creating an "enclave." Within the boundaries of the "enclave" of the foreign embassy, the flag of that foreign country establishes the jurisdiction and law of that foreign country, which will be enforced by the Law of the Flag and international treaty. If you enter an embassy, you will be subject to the laws of that country, just as if you board a ship flying a foreign flag, you will be subject to the laws of that flag, enforceable by the "master of the ship," (Captain), by the law of the flag.

When you enter a courtroom displaying a gold or yellow fringed flag, you have just entered into a foreign country, and you better have your passport with you, because you may not be coming back to the land of the free for a long time. The judge sitting under a gold or yellow fringe flag becomes the "captain" or "master" of that ship or enclave and he has absolute power to make the rules as he goes. The gold or yellow fringe flag is your warning that you are leaving your Constitutionally secured RIGHTS on the floor outside the door to that courtroom.

This is exactly why so many judges are appointed, and not elected by the people. The Federal judges are appointed by the President, the national military commander in chief. The State judges are appointed by the Governors, the state military commanders. The judges are appointed because the courts are military courts and civilians do not "elect" military officers.

Under martial law, you are presumed guilty until proven innocent.

The gold-fringed flag only stands inside military courts that sit in summary court martial proceedings against civilians and such courts are governed in part by local rules, but more especially by "The Manual of Courts Martial", U.S., 1994 Ed., at Art. 99, (c)(1)(b), pg. IV-34, PIN 030567-0000, U.S. Government Printing Office, Wash. D.C. The details of the crimes that civilians can commit, that are classed as 'Acts of War,' cover 125 pages in the Manual of Courts Martial.

Under Article IV, section 3, of the Constitution for the united States of America, no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State. So -- Why have the judges of the State and Federal courts been allowed to erect foreign enclaves within our public courthouses under a foreign flag with the yellow fringe upon the soil of your state?

We just thought you would like to know, so that the next time you see this yellow fringed flag you will know what you are looking at and what it really means. If you are in Spain and you see the National Flag of Spain, you would know that you are under the jurisdiction of Spain; and their laws govern you at this time. You are officially NOTICED when you see their flag. This is an admiralty law that says that all who see this flag understand they are governed by the laws of the country that this flag represents. You SHOULD understand that the gold or yellow fringed flag signifies the same thing. It is a notice to you that you are under the rules and regulations of the military force that is flying that flag.

Are you familiar with martial law?

Does your attorney understand what this flag means?

"It is an elementary rule of pleading, that a plea to the jurisdiction is a tacit (silent) admission that the court has a right to judge the case and is a waiver to all exception to the jurisdiction."(Girty v. Logan, 6 Bush KY, 8)

Shizamus
06-25-2003, 10:12 AM
The flag of our nation is described and specified at law.1 Yet today more than one flag is in use in the United States-one is red, white and blue, and the other is red, white, blue and GOLD.

In our history the national flag changed a number of times. On June 15, 1775, the Continental Congress appointed General Washington to take "supreme command of the forces raised, and to be raised, in the defense of American liberty." A battle flag for this force was subsequently displayed on the first anniversary of the Declaration of Independence in Philadelphia in July 1777. A resolution passed by the Continental Congress on June 14, 1777 (Flag Day) describes the official national Flag for the United States of America.

It had thirteen stripes and stars.2 A Flag with fifteen stripes and stars, known as the 1795 Fort McHenry flag, was authorized by an Act of Congress and was flown during the War of 1812. This flag inspired Francis Scott Key to write "The Star-Spangled Banner." In March 1818 an Act of Congress returned the Flag to thirteen stripes with 20 stars and ordered the addition of one star for each new State, to take effect the 4th day of July following the admission of that State.

A gold fringed flag is a battle flag reserved to the General of the Army for use over military headquarters and to display at courts-martial. The Commander-In-Chief, as the civilian authority over a lawfully standing national militia or Army, may designate that flag's use elsewhere. This gives a president, when acting as Commander-In-Chief, power to place the government's battle flag wherever he wishes to establish jurisdiction of the military force.

In 1925, an interpretation of statute law by the Attorney General of the United States clarified the intent and purpose of gold fringes or adornments to the national Flag to be within the discretion of the president as Commander-In-Chief. "Placing of fringe on national flag, dimensions of flag, and arrangement of stars in the union are matters of detail not controlled by statute, but are within the discretion of President as Commander- In-Chief of Army and Navy." 3 Thus, a gold fringed flag, often seen upon a staff or flagpole with a gold eagle atop it, or with gold streamers or tassels, is NOT the lawful, or OFFICIAL, Flag of our Nation.

A gold fringed flag used widely by courts, schools, service organizations and private individuals is NOT a symbol of our constitutional republic, or national Union of States. It signifies a military jurisdictional presence.

One official difference between the two flags is that when the fringe is placed around the Flag it denotes a military battle flag, not a national Flag. Now the lawful status of a Citizen becomes important. For in a military jurisdiction, where the court-martial tribunal displays the fringed battle flag, it may impose criminal sanctions for issues involving contracts, without due process of law. In a Judicial Department court under the national Flag, as described in the Constitution for the United States of America, as well as in State Constitutions, due process must be observed and followed, with all the protection of Constitutional Law.

The Founding Fathers, through the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, secured the sovereignty of the States for WE THE PEOPLE. A flag of bordered design, like the fringed battle flag, denotes that the jurisdiction of the federal government is present. If the courtrooms in your State display gold fringed flags, who is exercising jurisdiction?

1. Proper display of the Flag is covered in 36 USCS §§ 141 et seq.; 35 Am Jur 2d, Flag §§ 1, 7; 61 Stat. 642 (July 30, 1947) and; R.S. § 1792.

2. Congress of 1777, "...that the Flag of the United States be thirteen stripes alternate red and white; that the union (a device emblematic of any political union) be thirteen stars, white in a blue field, representing a new constellation."

Shizamus
06-25-2003, 10:18 AM
Martial Law Flag "Pursuant to 4 U.S.C. chapter 1, §§1, 2, & 3; Executive Order 10834, August 21, 1959; 24 F.R.6865; a military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE border on three sides. The President of the United States designates this deviation from the regular flag, by executive order, and in his capacity as Commander-in-Chief of the military. The placing of a fringe on the national flag, the dimensions of the flag and the arrangement of the stars in the union are matters of detail not controlled by statute, but are within the discretion of the President as Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy." 34 Ops. Atty. Gen. 83.

President, Dwight David Eisenhower, by Executive Order No.10834, signed on August 21, 1959 and printed in the Federal Register at 24 F.R. 6865, pursuant to law, stated that: "A military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a yellow fringe border on three sides."

Shizamus
06-25-2003, 10:25 AM
A Constitution in Tatters,
A Country in Distress*
* or, Why we fly our flag upside down
written by Michelle Konieczny

We believe the citizens of the United States and others who live in our country are in grave danger of being denied the inalienable rights that have made this country the best and brightest hope for the World for over 200 years. Many of our Rights have already been stolen and abuses have been visited upon U.S. Citizens, and other people across the world, at the hands of government agents acting in the name of our Nation.

We have a good system of government, but it needs to perform only its lawful functions and to be bound once again by the restraints of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. We feel it is every U.S. Citizen's duty to protect and defend these important documents and ensure the guidelines it dictates are followed. There exist those currently in the U.S. government who would ignore its demands of restraint, fair and just legislation, strict division and limited scope of governmental powers. We feel it is every American's duty to elect and support those who take their oath to defend and protect the Constitution seriously and will stand by their promises.

The International Charter of Flag Etiquette states that a flag may be flown upside down in cases of extreme distress. We fly our flag upside down to call out to fellow Americans, and to make them aware that our country is in distress. We seek to inform our fellow citizens and spread word of the changes that are needed to ensure our Liberty.

Most of the lawmakers on Capitol Hill support laws that infringe our Rights on a daily basis. We are saying 'enough is enough', we want the Bill of Rights and Constitution restored in America.

It is evident that our Freedom is in grave jeopardy. This is proven not only by the actions of our Representatives and Senators, but by the actions of our Attorney General, John Ashcroft who turned his back on the Civil Liberties of U.S. Citizens and others. His calls for Unconstitutional laws supposedly to combat terrorism in the wake of the horrific attacks on September 11, 2001 in NYC are nothing short of Anti-Freedom, dare we say, Anti-American. He claimed to hold these values dear and to defend the Constitution. He lied to the American Public. He seeks to take our Freedoms away.

During this time of war and in an age of untold technical ability, we can't afford to allow any more infringements to occur. We must stand together, United, to demand our country, our Constitution, and our Bill of Rights are restored. We must keep our country safe from enemies, both foreign and domestic. Now more than ever we need the protections of the Constitution. Now more than ever we need to stand together and demand honor among our leaders. Together we can assure that Liberty and the true Spirit of America will prevail!

Join us in the 2nd American Revolution.

Sir Bug
06-26-2003, 10:18 PM
Hi Gang,

Thank you, Shizamus, for the posts on the "Law of the Flags." The content is enlightning and educational. I was not aware of the significance of the gold/yellow trim.

I am, however, disturbed by your third post, authored by Michelle Konieczny. I do not know if you are endorsing the display of the American flag upside down or if you posted her text to amuse the readers.

After a lot of thought over the past two days, I feel that I must reply to Ms. Konieczny's letter. I'll start with an analogy and then make two points about it.

An analogy - I really enjoy eating fish, but I don't like the bones. Do I discard the entire fish because of the bones? No! I eat that which is good and discard that which is bad. So it is in this great country of our's; you keep those in power whom you like, and, come election time, you discard the bad.

Point # 1 - How dare her to usurp the critical importance of displaying a flag upside down by someone who is REALLY in need of assistance. She diminishes an internationally recognizable symbol of distress. She has become, and encourages others, to be a modern-day "little boy that cried wolf."

Point # 2 - To display the American flag upside down for nothing more than to make a political statement is a slap in the face of every American who has served this great country. Her blatant disregard for the flag belittles the courage and sacrifice of those who gave of their lives to secure that symbol of freedom and democracy.

In other words, if I should see an flag flying upside down in front of someone's house, am I to stop and offer assistance or call 911 for help? Or, is this the residence of some crackpot trying to prove a political point by defaming the flag?

Perhaps I should take my shirt off and show some scars, give the homeowner a list of some of my buddies' phone numbers, or show a photo of Arlington Nat'l Cemetary.

Did I mention that Ms. Konieczny's letter disturbed me? Damn right I did!! And, yes, I agree with some of her points. But, I do not agree with the action she proposes - to fly the flag upside down.

BTW, if anyone tries to turn the flag in my yard upside down, I will exercise a right I do have - you will be shot!!

Your Friend in Dixie,

Sir Bug

Shizamus
06-27-2003, 01:04 AM
Here is a little story you might want to read....

One recent afternoon I was working outdoors when a stranger rode up on a motorcycle and started giving me a hard time. No, he wasn't an outlaw biker; he was an ordinary patriotic American. But he didn't like what he saw in my front yard.

It was a U.S. flag. But it was flying upside-down, as it always does at the Zelman household.

He growled that he was a Vietnam vet and that he'd fought for that flag, and he didn't like me showing it disrespect. I answered that I was also a Vietnam vet. But I told him that he _hadn't_ fought for the flag (which is only a symbol); he'd fought for the Bill of Rights -- the document that sets America apart from lesser countries.

And I told him that flying the flag upside-down was as great a sign of respect for my country as I could think of. After all, America is in trouble, and flying its flag upside-down is a sign of distress*. The inverted flag calls out to everybody who sees: "Please help the United States. Don't let the most promising nation on earth fall into tyranny."

After the man rode off -- still disgruntled, but with a lot of new things to think about --it occurred to me just how powerful it really is to fly the flag upside-down. It gave me a chance to get one more person thinking about the real meaning of freedom. And that's the only way we're going to win this battle to bring back the Bill of Rights -- by reminding one person at a time about what freedom really is until there are millions of us, each refusing to surrender our rights, each faithfully defending the rights of others.

THIS INDEPENDENCE DAY, FLY YOUR OWN FLAG UPSIDE-DOWN

Flying the flag upside-down is a great way to get people's attention. Once you've got their ear, you can remind your friends and neighbors of exactly the kind of distress America is in right now. Remind them:


That Americans are now stopped on the highways and searched without warrants, just like people were in Nazi Germany;

That taxes eat up almost half of everyone's income (and some analysts say it's a lot more than half, once you examine the hidden taxes on goods and services);

That the FBI and other agencies are now snooping to see what books you read, purchases you make, how you use your credit cards, and what hobbies you pursue;

That we're about to get a new Homeland Security cabinet department -- a Soviet-style KGB internal security apparatus that's planned to be above many of the laws (like the Freedom of Information Act and the whistleblower protection law) that protect the public from abusive agencies;

That politicians are using weasel words to destroy the Second Amendment -- spouting their support for "individual rights" while advocating laws that destroy those very rights (See "Second-Amendment Setup: What They Say Isn't What You Get" at http://www.jpfo.org/2nd-setup.htm )

That the U.S. is becoming more like the countries our veterans fought against in World War II and other wars (See "An Open Letter to Our Fathers and Grandfathers: You Won the Battle but Lost the War" at http://www.jpfo.org/veterans.htm ;

That government increasingly wants to control everything you do, say -- and even what you think.
You can also remind people that, on June 26, 2002 a panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals declared that it was unconstitutional for schools to lead children in the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag because the words "under God" are religious.

Now, I know some readers of JPFO alerts believe the pledge is vital and even sacred and others don't like the pledge for various reasons. We could argue about the value of the Pledge of Allegiance all day, and whether it "establishes a religion" or whether the "under G-d"** clause is simply a recognition that our rights come from some greater source than government. But one thing we can all agree on -- the government has gone way, way, way too far in telling the people and the states what they can and can't do. And it's going to go a lot further if we don't stop it.

The panel's ruling is on hold pending challenges and possible review by the full Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. If the ruling stands, the traditional pledge will be on its way out of government schools and other government-controlled places. Even if the ruling doesn't hold, the patriotism represented by the old pledge is becoming "politically incorrect," so that schools are dropping the pledge or even replacing it with various New Age and One World gobbledegook.

Let's prepare to give the world a new pledge that will stop tyrants in their tracks. Let's have a pledge that we and our children can recite proudly. Let it be a pledge that the Big Government Boys and Girls will hate, detest, loathe, and cringe away from, but whose language they don't dare declare illegal -- because to do that they'd have to come out and openly say they hate the Bill of Rights.

Let's adopt The Freedom Pledge.

Here it is:


The Freedom Pledge
I pledge my honor to the Bill of Rights, our precious national treasure.

As the Bill is a fortress against tyranny, I will battle all tyrants.

As the Bill protects liberty, I will live free.

As the Bill guards rights born within all humanity, I will defend the freedoms of future generations.

With my life, my words, and my daily deeds, with a vision of what can be, I honor all of the Bill of Rights for all mankind.



Regular readers of JPFO alerts have already seen this pledge. We first released it in time for Memorial Day. But The Freedom Pledge is for all times and all seasons. It's for every day. You can say it along with the flag pledge -- as long as they'll let you. Or you can say it alone when the flag pledge is outlawed.

Say it every day. Teach it to your children. Get your local school to adopt it. Recite it at meetings. Print it in newsletters. Help make The Freedom Pledge an American institution.

And start by saying it before your own upside-down American flag this Independence Day. Don't just shoot off fireworks (assuming the government will let you even do that, any more!) Send the real spirit of America rocketing through the skies. Help bring back the Bill of Rights and the true freedom for which it stands.

Shizamus
06-27-2003, 01:17 AM
Here is another one...

Why Does This Flag Fly Upside Down?
Many people have asked why the united States flag flies upside down on many of my pages. Here is where you will find out.

The United States Flag Code states:

U.S. Flag Code (Title 4 US Code Chapter 1)
Sec. 8. - Respect for Flag
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

So, why then do I display my flag with the union (or the section with the stars) down? Because never before in the history of the united States has there been more risk to personal freedoms, life and/or property than today. Our personal freedoms are at risk more every day in the name of "terrorism preparedness". Our lives are at risk from terrorists from outside America, and from Socialists and Socialist agendas from within America. Our property has been at risk for years. Just try =not= paying your personal property tax and/or real estate tax for a couple years in a row and see what happens. My educated guess is that a registered government agent will be at your home to seize your property against your will in order to pay the taxes that you "forgot".

Let's look at just a few examples.

First, risks to personal freedom. Never before in the history of the united States of America has there been more wholesale assaults on the Constitution and the Original Bill of Rights than today. Many of these "security measures" are in place due to "terrorism preparedness". People are routinely searched for amazingly deadly contraband weapons such as nail files before boarding planes. Many personal questions are asked in order to board your flight. The Second Amendment has never been under such attack. Hunters have to sign many forms before receiving bullets or new rifles. Even the First Amendment is under attack. Large peaceful gatherings of people are often dispersed by tear gas and worse. Books are routinely banned from school libraries. It's almost impossible to take your child to an airport to watch the planes take off without being subjected to intense police questioning. Many such areas have been permanently closed. These are just a few examples of the threats to freedom.

Second, terrorism. Never before in the history of America has an attack been perpetrated against the united States of America of the type of magnitude of the Twin Towers Tragedy. Almost 3,000 people died in the destruction of the World Trade Center, and many more were injured. More were killed and injured during the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon. Very little in the united States has been the same since these attacks. Some people in America are afraid of when the next attack will occur, and some are afraid it will happen to them. Terrorists can now attack us with agents in many forms. Just a few include bombings (just look at what the average Israeli has to go through on a day-to-day basis!), poison gas of various types, diseases and plagues, hijacking, and many other types of attacks. Many school field trips to Washington DC have been cancelled due to just the threat of terrorism. The worst thing about this, though, is its effect on the average American citizen. Your bags at airports are searched for weapons as dangerous as a fingernail clipper. You can be asked a series of questions about your trip as comprehensive as those in some communist controlled foreign countries. I was recently prevented from boarding a small local commuter flight due to the small nail file attached to my fingernail clipper attached to my key ring. I don't know about you, but if someone threatened me with a nail file the size of the one I carry, I'd either start laughing at them or simply kick it down their throat. Or both. The battle to completely circumvent the Second Amendment to the Bill of Rights would have had absolutely no effect whatsoever on the terrorists that captured the planes that were used in the 9/11 attacks. My understanding of this event is that it was accomplished with box cutters. Just for those of you who have never seen one, box cutters basically are a single-edge razor blade in a small metal sheath that is used to open packages. I would have had about the same reaction to a "threat" from that as I would have to my nail file. This is the best argument for American pilots to be armed that I have ever heard.

Third, Socialists and Socialist Agendas. Efforts to circumvent the Constitution and Bill of Rights have never been higher. The Second Amendment has never been under more attack. The effort to remove all references to God from our classrooms has resulted in a generation with absolutely no moral values. The efforts to make deviant behaviour acceptable has resulted in a general rise in teenage pregnancies, and much more violence and gang warfare in our schools, and our kids taking up behaviour that would never have been even talked about other than behind closed doors. I have had E-Mails from parents telling me about kids who are literally attacked in school for not wearing the right type or color of clothing. God tells me to love the sinner and hate the sin. I have many friends involved in homosexual life styles. I do not care for their activity, and I especially do not want to be involved with it myself, but it is their right to screw up their lives if they want to. Social Drinking has become all but a memory due to efforts of groups like Mothers Against Drunk Drivers. I'm =not= saying driving drunk is a good idea. It's not. I want you around to listen to me again tomorrow. But I often wonder why a group of restaurateurs don't take the government to court for infringing on their right to do business. Smoking people have almost become pariahs. There are whole shopping centers with no smoking sections. Many other public buildings prohibit smokers from exercising their right to light up. Seat Belt laws are another way for the government to interfere with your rights. I am in my own vehicle. I have the right to decide whether or not I want to buckle up. I wear seat belts because I want to be safe while driving, not because the government forces me to. These seem to be just small things, but taken over the larger point of view, they are some of the threats to our rights today.

Finally, living and property rights. I have several pages of info on property rights in my Tax Freedom pages, but just a small example will do. In the old days, no one would care if I wanted to open a small business in my own home. In those days, you simply hung up a sign and went to work. Your success depended on how good you were at your job. Many older homes, especially many Founding Father's residences, had their business in the same building as their residence. No one asked for building permits, special use permits, business licences, and other government ways to control your activity. If you wanted to get married, you simply went down to the local Justice of the Peace and did it. No licences, no "waiting periods", no blood tests, no nothing. The Founding Fathers believed, as I do, that rational citizens have the right to make their own decisions about their own lives. As far as I know, not one prosecution has ever been made against any who attempted suicide for "attempted murder" despite the fact that they attempted to kill someone, even if that someone was themselves.

These are just a few of the many examples why I believe that this country and its citizens are in a dire state of peril. The flags on my pages will continue to fly upside down as a signal of distress in the country until these situations and many like them have been corrected.



THE RESISTOR IS THE ONLY ONE THAT
SEES AND UNDERSTANDS TYRANNY.

Sir Bug
06-28-2003, 01:45 PM
Sir,

I have read your posts and replies. I have seen and read many of the points you make at other venues. There are some I would agree with, and others not. It is here where I would say that we have reached an impasse; an agreement to disagree, if you will.

It is not my desire or intent to engage you in a debate over what you and I differ on. Since you have chosen to express in detail why you fly your flag upside-down, I shall respond with why I fly mine properly. All I ask is that you respect my post in like manner.

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"The United States Flag Code states:

U.S. Flag Code (Title 4 US Code Chapter 1)
Sec. 8. - Respect for Flag
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property."
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One of the very few rights you still have is the right to free speech. But, you do not have the right to shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater because of the emminent danger your actions might cause. By flying your flag upside-down you diminish its intended purpose, as stated by the definition you provided above.

Consider this - What if the authorities broke down your door tonight and stormed in on you and your family? Would you consider it an invasion of your privacy, or were they just responding to your call for help by virtue of the display method of your flag? Perhaps your interpretation of "loss of rights" is self imposed in some cases.

I do not buy your scenerio of not paying property and/or real estate taxes for a couple of years and having the authorities sieze your property as being "an instance of extreme danger to life or property." That, too, is self imposed.

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"He growled that he was a Vietnam vet and that he'd fought for that flag, and he didn't like me showing it disrespect. I answered that I was also a Vietnam vet. But I told him that he _hadn't_ fought for the flag (which is only a symbol); he'd fought for the Bill of Rights -- the document that sets America apart from lesser countries."
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I do not need to be reminded that, like you, the biker and millions of others, I swore to an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.

You refer to the flag as "only a symbol." I sure wish I could forward that comment to the families of those young Marines who left their hopes, dreams, lives and souls in the jungles of a faraway land. I'm sure the flag that accompanied their loved ones home was more than a mere "symbol" to them. I wish I could have told them in a letter that their sacrifice would forever be represented by a piece of cloth - a "symbol" - that would one day be flown upside-down as a political statement.

I, sir, fly my flag every day on a flagpole in my yard, right-side up. I shall continue to do so because I strongly believe it to be the emblamatic representation of the greatest, most powerful and freest nation on Earth. I shall shoot my fireworks on the Fourth to celebrate that fact. I invite you to do as well.

Now, if it is the general concensus of the members of this site that the United States flag should be flown in a manner not in keeping with the "Law of the Flag," then I don't need to be part of this group.

Sir Bug

Sir Bug
06-28-2003, 10:35 PM
Mr. Shizamus,

BTW, thank you for your service to the country. It is appreciated.

Again, please do not take my comments as a personal attack on your views. I do not want you, or anyone else who reads my comments, to be offended, but to simply recognize that I am as passionate about my views as you are about your's.

Sir Bug

Shizamus
06-29-2003, 12:48 AM
Concerning the upside down flag issue.

It is an Internationally recognized sign
of a Country or Nation in distress, I did not make this up,
these are not my views as you claim.
I am merely passing on info that I was made aware of
several years ago and disputed it in the same manner
that you are disputing it now.
I am not aware of it having the same application on
your house, car, etc. But due to the ignorance of people
in general you might get attacked or confronted on this
issue. But then again these same ignorant people have
no problems going to China Central (Wal-Mart) an buying
their US flag that is made in COMMUNIST CHINA !



As a result of the unconstitutional acts, legislation and atrocities passed and/or committed by government agencies and officials against increaing numbers of US citizens and their life, liberty and property ... and as a result of policies that have allowed (and continue to allow) enemies of this nation to enter in large numbers through a porous immigration policy, I believe the life, liberty and property of US Citizens are in extreme and dire danger and distress