The whole world knows what most Americans deny [Archive]

Shizamus

07-25-2003, 01:14 AM

Poll: One-third of Germans believe US may have staged Sept. 11 attacks
By Reuters, 7/23/2003

BERLIN -- One-third of Germans under age 30 believe the U.S. government may have sponsored the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington, according to a poll published Wednesday.

And about 20 percent of Germans in all age groups hold this view, according to a survey of 1,000 people conducted for the weekly Die Zeit.

The poll also said 68 percent of all Germans felt the media had not reported the full truth behind the attacks, in which some 3,000 people were killed when hijacked planes were crashed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

After the Sept. 11 attacks, there was an outpouring of sympathy from Germans for the United States. Despite misgivings, Germany joined a military campaign against the al Qaeda network that Washington blamed for the attacks.

But as the United States geared up for war against Iraq, relations soured as Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder expressed vocal opposition to the plans.

Although the United States took offense at Berlin's attitude, Schroeder's anti-war stance was popular in Germany and helped him to snatch victory in last September's elections.

Asked whether they believed the U.S. government could have ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, 31 percent of those surveyed under the age of 30 answered "yes," while 19 percent overall gave the same answer.

Die Zeit said widespread disbelief about the reasons given by the United States for going to war in Iraq and suspicion about media coverage of the conflict had fostered a climate in which conspiracy theories flourished.

"The news is controlled," 17-year-old Kenny Donaubaur was quoted as saying. "You could see that in the Iraq war. It doesn't seem to me that you get the full truth."

1952Sniper

07-25-2003, 08:52 AM

Since when do we care what the Germans think?

ibtrukn

07-25-2003, 09:28 AM

I don't give a red rats ass what any germans, french, italiains chinese, israelis, africans or any other dam "others" think! An as they say in So. Russia, If U, they don't like it "TUFF SHITTSKI Y'ALL!

U 2 Shiz, sometimes I think U R flying "some other "flag.

! of R grate freedoms, U, I or anyone else FREE TO LEAVE!!

SaxonPig

07-25-2003, 10:56 AM

I have come to the conclusion that about 90% of Americans will believe anything. Make it 98% for the rest of the world.

vonotterskull

07-25-2003, 12:15 PM

HAHAHAHAH, this has to be one of the silliest things I've ever read. Screw the Germans, screw the French, and any other country that wants to belive OUR own government did this to us. I think we should cut all ties with wishy washy fickle minded countries. No more aid, no more imports or exports. Come on, who is going to miss French wine or German pretzles??? We should show even more support to the countries that have stood by us since 9/11. Australia and Poland and England are 3 that come right to the front of my mind. A special shout out to the Polish SF that are doing awesome in Iraq. (who would have ever thought,,, Polish special forces and not a short bus in sight) ;)

Smokin Guns

07-25-2003, 06:47 PM

A special shout out to the Polish SF that are doing awesome in Iraq. (who would have ever thought,,, Polish special forces and not a short bus in sight)...

Yepper's...a good example of a IRR...on an investment...(for our accountant types)... http://www.animatedgif.net/cartoons/genie_e0.gif

Crpdeth

07-25-2003, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by 1952Sniper
Since when do we care what the Germans think?

My thoughts exactally, while reading the post...Glad someone feels the same.

Mausermania

07-27-2003, 01:05 AM

How can people be so misguided? They should grow up and get a life!!

And to think we helped to rebuild their country after WWII,not to mention the rest that we have done for these ungrateful @#$^%%.

Same thing goes for the French too with their "holier than thou " attitude!!

I don't recall the title of the book written by a french moron, but it was the same subject as this post .

Before these cowards attempt to write factual material they should leave the alcohol, drugs,and science fiction alone AND pull their head out of their %$^%^!!

They can have their beer back too (along with french WHINE!)

Cow Caregiver

07-27-2003, 09:43 AM

Brudder Kraut also thought Shickelgruber (AKA Hitler) would be able to establish a 1000 year dynasty. They can be fed a lot of things and it all processes back to s**t.

Tony Mig

07-27-2003, 11:33 AM

you gotta ask yourselves this one big question...."why did the Ruters News Agency even run a story like this"....?

This Country, it's present administration, and those of us on the right side of the political spectrum are all under attack by the bleeding heart, liberal media. They will stop at nothing to discredit GWB, his administration, and our military.
What importance does this all have.....?
"none" ......that's what. Nobody of any intelligence even cares what college age kids of any country think politically, they haven't been around long enough to make an intelligent decission about world politics, or even how to dress themselves in the morning.
This is just the media up to it's same old B.S. tricks....nothing more.

Gunguy

07-27-2003, 04:46 PM

Absolutely agree with Cow Caregiver, the old Krauts know better than to believe that media BS. They already went through it believing in Hitler and his madness...now, this dumb Kraut generation wants to believe we are the villains in the twin towers and Pentagon fiasco, what a bunch of A--holes. Prove it mein herr before you start spouting conspiracy theories.

As far as the rest of the world's nations, get in a war with the US and proceed to lose it...then stand by for the American chumps to rebuild them to greater than what they were.

We are not the world's cops, to hell with the rest of the GD world that don't like us...kiss my USA butt sucker.

Gunguy

:mad:

Mausermania

07-27-2003, 06:00 PM

I can't believe how many people are that gullible and ignorant! You would think that after the nazi's fiasco in WWII that the german people wouldn't believe crap like that(wild and outrageous etc.).

Its one thing NOT to have commonsense but this is outright stupidity!!

warpig

07-27-2003, 09:03 PM

Anyone who believes that bunk will believe in any conspiracy theory we can dream up.

Speaking of conspricacy theories did you hear about Ernst Stavro building a space laser and trying to end civilazation as we know it. It is true just ask Willard Whyte.

1952Sniper

07-28-2003, 07:48 AM

Well now wait a minute.... I don't understand the logic some of you are using.

Going back to the Nazi era, I can certainly understand why the Germans would think that the US Government staged 9/11. After all, Hitler did the same thing with the burning of the Reichstag. They probably see a parallel between these events. The burning of the Reichstag eventually led to Hitler's "Enabling Act", which put him in sole power of German government, for all intents and purposes. 9/11 led to our "USA Patriot Act", which has some eery similarities. So don't fault the Germans too much on this. They've seen it before, and don't want to see it again.

I tend to think they're wrong about 9/11. But since I don't know anything about what actually happened, I couldn't say one way or the other.

One thing I will agree with the Germans on, though, is that the news is controlled. We aren't getting the full story on anything. All news is biased one way or the other.

Gunguy

07-28-2003, 08:16 AM

Mein friend Sniper, please give us some proof of that conspiracy theory that the US bombed the 9-11 twin towers.

Didn't we see Ben Ladin himself on video tape discuss and brag about his brainwashed Muslum fanatics doing it.

How can you defend this generation of Germans believing that garbage from their media hype, remember the French saying the Pentagon was not an Airline crash but some other type of explosion. Such misinformation is pure BS.

If the Germans are capable in their history of believing and following such an evil SOB as Hitler, what makes you think they are any brighter today...after all, they elected a dishonest head of their nation because he ran on the anti American ticket.

Their technology is excellent but their common sense factor is poor.

Gunguy

wuzzagrunt

07-28-2003, 08:24 AM

Germany was the spawning ground for National Socialism and Soviet Communism. Marx and Engles were Germans and were catalysts for--and products of--the political environment in Germany. Germany was the political incubator for Lenin and many other shining lights of the Bolshevik Revolution. Fast forward to 2003 and we see the Greens and Anarchists as a force to be reckoned with in German politics. Germany's foreign minister Joschka Fischer was a Black Block street thug and is now a "respectable" Green Party member.

I don't look to Germany for coherent political philosophies or common sense solutions to--or explanations of--the worlds problems.

1952Sniper

07-28-2003, 09:19 AM

Gunguy, for starters, I'm not defending the Germans. I said very clearly that I think they're wrong. All I meant was that when you consider their history, you might be able to understand why they would mistrust political leaders. After all, whether you believe it or not, many Germans were duped by Hitler. They truly believed that what he was doing was necessary to keep terrorists and communists out of their country. Just as many believe today that the USA Patriot Act is necessary to defend against terrorists. All I'm saying is that the Germans have been there before, and they probably have a better idea than we do about how easy it is to be duped by your leaders.

And as I said in my last post, I don't have ANY proof one way or the other. All I know is that if you're relying on the media to provide you with truthful information, you're pretty gullible (meaning "you" in a general sense, not you personally). We gun owners know how freely the media lies. Why do you think it would be any different with today's political and war-related events? They have an agenda.

One last time: I am not defending the minority of Germans who believe this conspiracy theory. And like I said in my first post in this thread, who cares what they think? It's not like it's going to affect the way we do things. I'm just trying to explain to you why they probably feel that way. Unless you have a better explanation of why they believe this conspiracy theory, then I think my explanation stands to reason.

Zigzag2

07-28-2003, 09:48 AM

To curb the confusion, eliminate the fallacies.

Let's see documented facts. Let's have corresponding references.

Let's deal with facts folks!

I'm almost positively sure we can get to the bottom of this. :D

armedandsafe

07-28-2003, 10:59 AM

Asked whether they believed the U.S. government could have ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, 31 percent of those surveyed under the age of 30 answered "yes," while 19 percent overall gave the same answer.

This is another example of a slanted news story/poll published to create opinion. If you were to ask me if there are people in government who could or might have set up such a deed, I would have to answer "yes."

I worked with the covert agencies of the US for a number of years. I met several who would be capable of such a thing and would have slept well that night. I met many who would have prevented such at the cost of their lives, if necessary.

I think we should pull all governmental financial "aid" to those countries which don't support us, or oppose us with overt actions. Any country whose spokesmen speak out against any of our actions or policies are welcome to do so without retaliation. However, any who actively oppose us get cut off from the teat, immediately. Those who oppose us militarily, get largesse from our tresury in other forms.

My $0.02

Pops

Triggerman

07-29-2003, 11:36 PM

You people are just as ignorant as the people you are accusing. Some one posted that bin ladin was bragging about having a hand in 9/11, what does that prove? that he actually did do it. it must. it is there on tape. anything on tape must be true. This is the same bin ladin that worked for the U.S CIA. Is it really inconceivable that it was staged to give a reason to attack the middle east. Nobody else finds it interesting that bin ladin was all over the news in litterally minutes after the attack. On that note why didn't we pursue him? One guy led to another, then suddenly it was sadaam that we wanted. We could't just invade for the oil, what would that look like for the U.S. Would we want to look like the aggressor? Why is it that 98% of Americans are ignorant to the real facts, they believe that if Dan Rather didn't say it , it just isn't true. Is it really that hard to believe that the news is censored? The presidents press conferences are even scripted, why? does he have something he wants to hide? of course he does! But most of you people like most Americans believe that the government loves you, they would never do anything to harm you or take away your rights or keep you in the dark about an issue that the people would protest. Don't kid yourselves. The more ignorant that people are the less they will protest, much like many of you folks who are still in the dark about the real truth about 9/11, and not the fabricated story that was fed to all of you on CBS, the censored brodcasting company. But you folks will continue to watch the 6:00 news and believe each and every word that is said so you can go about your lives feeling good about your government because you think it works for you. Well keep your eyes closed and stay oblivious, and I will keep mine open so that I am not as ignorant as 98% of Americans.

Gunguy

07-30-2003, 08:17 AM

Hey, hair Triggerman, tone down the rhetoric on the ignorant talk, if you want to disagree with someone on this forum...do it without demeaning someone with that ignorant BS.

People can disagree without getting ignorant...try it some time oh wise one.

By the way, what is your slant on the 9/11, who did it, come on inquiring minds want to know.

Gunguy :rolleyes:

Zigzag2

07-30-2003, 08:50 AM

Mr. triggerman, 2 of your derrogatory/flamming comments.
You people are just as ignorant as the people you are accusing
Well keep your eyes closed and stay oblivious, and I will keep mine open so that I am not as ignorant as 98% of Americans.

maybe you would like another chance at explaining ignorance to the ones reading and participating in this thread instead of the ignorant accusations.

wuzzagrunt

07-30-2003, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by Triggerman
This is the same bin ladin that worked for the U.S CIA.

Where's the proof that bin Laden ever worked for the CIA? You believe it because bin Laden said so?

Originally posted by Triggerman
Why is it that 98% of Americans are ignorant to the real facts, they believe that if Dan Rather didn't say it , it just isn't true. Is it really that hard to believe that the news is censored? ..........Well keep your eyes closed and stay oblivious, and I will keep mine open so that I am not as ignorant as 98% of Americans.

It must give you a warm feeling to be smarter than 98% of Americans (it must be true--because you say so) but I have a few questions for you: How do you know the United States invaded Iraq? Did you hear it on the news? And you believed that?

How do you even know Iraq exists? Were you ever there? If you went there, how do you know you weren't flown in circles over the ocean and set down in the Gobi Desert where a combination of movie sets and actors, mind control drugs and hypnosis were employed to make you believe you were in the mythical country of Iraq? How do you KNOW? Where's the proof?

Can you prove any of the things you believe? I'm not talking about posting a link to a rant by a member of the Tinfoil Hat Militia. I mean real proof! Where is it? What is it?

If you are one of the select and tiny group of Super Geniuses who know the "Real Truth", why hasn't the CIA and the Trilateral Commission had you assassinated by now. I'd imagine you pose an unacceptable threat to their nefarious plan and they would want you out of the picture PDQ.

While we're on the subject, how do you know the CIA exists?

How can you be so sure that anything you haven't touched, smelled, seen or heard actually exists? How do you know you aren't a brain in a jar that is being fed dreams by some giant cockroach graduate student, in a science lab at Insect U.?

How do you know that I am not that graduate student?

SouthernMoss

07-30-2003, 09:32 AM

Ok, fellas, I know this kind of topic stirs up all kinds of emotions, but let's try to keep the focus on the issues and not allow ourselves to be drawn into personal attacks, ok? :D:D

1952Sniper

07-30-2003, 09:55 AM

Giant cockroach graduate student????

Oh great. One more thing to worry about.

Gunguy

07-30-2003, 10:19 AM

Holy cow, maybe thats why I have these blinding headaches when Mr. Cockroach taps my jar with his pointer pincer.

GG :p

Shizamus

07-30-2003, 10:41 AM

Hey what's this ? Gunfight at the OK Coral ?
Everyone has their finger on the trigger over 'ignorant' ?

Does'nt 'ignorant mean not to be aware ? I could be wrong.
I don't think ignorant means stupid, does it ? :)

1952Sniper

07-30-2003, 11:00 AM

It does in Texas. ;)

Gunguy

07-30-2003, 11:19 AM

Ouch ouch!

Don't shake that damn jar, I ain't no luava lamp...

GG

Mausermania

07-30-2003, 11:23 AM

Triggerman,

Who are YOU to judge the people that are posting on this board? If you have a view point to share thats all well and good,but you don't get anywhere by alienating the same people you are talking to!

Its ok to disagree with someone's viewpoint but just because their ideas/opinions don't agree with yours ,its not alright to make these kind of remarks!!

I have read posts that I don't agree with but that doesn't mean that person or group is stupid,ignorant, or naive! It also doesn't mean I can't learn something from them!

In a nutshell it has to do with RESPECT!

Triggerman

07-30-2003, 11:25 AM

To answer wuzzagrunt, I never said that everything on the news is a lie, we also need to be educated enough to be able to tell what is true and what is most likely fabricated. If you have any doubt, look into it. There are plenty of sources to get real information. And why is it that when somebody believes that there is a government cover-up, he is thought a radical. And lets be realistic, just a brain in a jar, come on now. That doesn't hold water at all. You honestly believe that the government has no dirty secrets, and that they would tell everybody what they are on television. not a chance. How is it that people want to call themselves educated with no more than a dumbed down school education and watch censored news. Sure they can read and write, and could tell you what the capitol of China is or why the sky is blue, but have no idea about what is really going on in the world today because they don't bother to look into it. Maybe because there is nothing else to learn after the 6:00 news with Dan Rather who tells you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Shizamus

07-30-2003, 11:38 AM

wuzzagrunt, about the CIA & Bin laden...

just go to google search, in quotations type:
Bush Cia Bin laden
and all kinds of info will come up about their
dealings and associations etc.
And decide. :)

Triggerman

07-30-2003, 01:04 PM

A reply to mausermania, now all that I am conveighing is that many people are either uninformed or misinformed, this makes them ignorant,(or not knowing), I didn't call anybody studid. I thank you for not misqouting me. I surely didn't intend to disrespect anybody so please don't take affence.

Mausermania

07-30-2003, 01:26 PM

Triggerman,

Your post didn't say "misinformed" or "uninformed".

You want to disagree with someone's view of the world? Thats FINE! Just do it without insults!

BTW,to call someone "ignorant" in this state(Maryland) is considered to be an insult and its the same as saying "stupid" (or worse). In some locales its the lowest thing you can say!

Keep in mind that while dictionaries may give one or more definitions on words it hardly encompasses all of them, including geographic differences!

Triggerman

07-30-2003, 01:54 PM

Whatever man, I'm not going to split hairs over a stupid argument on words meaning different things in each county, and I'm not going to try to caitor to everybodies emotional needs. Take it for what it's worth, and let's try not to get too bent out of shape over something as trivial as a simple definition and trying not hurt anybody's feelings.:cool:

Zigzag2

07-30-2003, 01:57 PM

This thread has been moved here, due to the heated exchange.

If need be, further actions can and will be taken.

Carry on :D

wuzzagrunt

07-30-2003, 02:13 PM

Well, my entire point was: we all believe what we wish to believe because it makes some sense to us based on past experience or, we research (as thouroughly as we are able) and draw conclusions based on the information at hand or, a particular theory suits our natural biases (i.e., "the jewwwws did it" or, "the CIA did it" or, whomever). But, the reality is: you can't know very much to a certainty. One man's psychotic rant is another man's well grounded hypothesis.

Before I give credence to any conspiracy theory, I ask myself a few questions.

A.) What is the risk?
B.) What is there to gain?
C.) How many individuals have to participate to make it work?
D.) What could be the ultimate goal and what have the suspected conspirators done to accomplish it?

If the gummint was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, they blew a golden opportunity. Given the risks of perpetrating such an act, given the number of people who'd have had to be in on it--it would be logical to assume it to be a very high stakes gamble. There are patriots in the military, the FBI, the CIA and even in the BATF. The possibility that someone (or several someones) would be overcome with guilt and start blabbing would be very real.

If you believe that our government is so omnicient that they could pull off an operation of that type--in complete secrecy--then you have to explain to me how they can simultaneously be so incompetent. If I were President and was going to take such a risk, I'd have planned an attack on a joint session of Congress so that when the functional government had been decimated I could declare martial law and take complete control. Then, any opposition could be summarily imprisoned or executed. True, our Constitutional liberties are being squeezed since 9/11 but only incrementally. If the goal was total power and empire building: they've pissed away their chance. GWB may not even be elected to a second term.

Rather than invade Iraq, I'd have invaded Saudi Arabia. The Saudis have spawned the majority of the Islamofacist terrorists and they've supported them financially for years. The rationale is solid and, the Saudis have more oil than the Iraqis.

There are any number of alternative scenarios that I could come up with that make a great deal more sense than yours. Is "it" possible? Yeah, anything is possible (even my "brain in a jar" theory) but "possible" ain't much to hang yer hat on.

'zall I'm sayin'.

How's that SM? Marines (former and current) are not exactly world famous for our ability to play well with others. This is about as close as I get to it.

SouthernMoss

07-30-2003, 03:16 PM

Thank you Wuzzagrunt for such a well-thought-out and well-worded post! This is the kind of exchange of ideas we are looking for! :D

Gunguy

07-30-2003, 06:13 PM

HELP ME HELP ME, I'm trapped in a mason jar at Cockroach U...and some dang hill billy is putting his lips on my jar...I think he's after the alcohol...glug glug...burp!

GG :p

Mausermania

07-30-2003, 07:00 PM

Hey Gunguy,

If ya need a place to rest yer legs and antennae ,I have a "roach motel" for ya!LOL

Gunguy

07-30-2003, 08:21 PM

Hmmm, sure is dark in here. Mama mia is this the end of Rico...wait, I think I hear blue grass music...

GG

Triggerman

07-30-2003, 11:02 PM

A reply to wuzzagrunt, That was a well put post, I can respect your thoughts. I also believe that the amount of people that would have had to have been involed may not have been as many as one might think. Those people may have been guarinteed wealth and/or power and still have been terminated. I can't say with all curtainty. There is another question you would have to ask yourself. What did bin ladin or al quada have to gain over 9/11? To attack and retreat, nerver to be seen or heard of again? They would have to know that the U.S. would be after them. They wouldn't have gained anything. Not even prove a point. I know that the world views the U.S. as cocky, but killing a few hundred Americans doesn't solve or prove anything. Why incompetant, if U.S. did do it. it worked didn't it. Most people are to caught up in a false feeling of patriotism to even concieve the notion and those who do are thought of as radicals or conspiracy theorists. There is no real way to convince America of the therory unless Dan Rather or Geraldo Rivera reports it on the national news, and that won't happen because the news is censored. I understand some people don't have the resouces and others don't have the time to research other, maybe more credable sources, but unless they do, they are still un, or misinformed. In the words of a well educated man Dennis Miller, " That's just my opinion I could be wrong.":cool:

JohnK3

07-30-2003, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Shizamus
Does'nt 'ignorant mean not to be aware ? I could be wrong.
I don't think ignorant means stupid, does it ? :)

Ignorant is to not know something that you could know, if you tried.

To be stupid is to be incapable of knowing what you don't know.

Now, to address the question of "What did bin Laden and al Qaeda have to gain from 9/11?"

Terrorism, by definition, depends upon the concept of "asymmetric warfare." This is where the overal emotional effects of an operation are disproportionately greater than the immediate physical effects of the operation.

Bin Laden and al Qaeda sought to demoralize the United States and put us into a state of panic, whereupon they would prey upon that fear with further attacks. Having seen the results of prior attacks by their operatives (the first World Trade Center bombing, the attack on the U.S.S. Cole, etc.), they incorrectly gauged the atmosphere in the U.S. to be one that they could take advantage of. Their mistake was to ignore history and past attacks. They were looking at short-term history, whereupon the U.S. populace tended to ignore overseas attacks that would prompt the government into half-hearted strikes at camels and tents. They failed to realize that truly catastrophic, horrific events tend to galvanize a people, rather than terrorize them. They should have been looking at Pearl Harbor and learning their lessons from Admiral Yamamoto.

Had al Qaeda managed to explode a nuclear device, I think that even the cries of "racial profiling" would have been silenced as America hunted down everyone who could even remotely be associated with the act.

If, instead, bin Laden and al Qaeda had engaged in a series of sniper-like attacks or random low-level bombings, they would have been more successful in achieving their goals, up to a point. The problem is that even a long-term low-level operation tends to wear on a population to the point that they finally have had enough and start getting serious about fighting back. Israel is a prime example of the drawbacks of a long-term low-level terrorist operation. The Arabs have never succeeded in perpetrating a 9/11-level attack upon Israel, but have been engaging in a series of lesser terroristic actions. As a result, Israel has armed its populace with fully-automatic weapons and made them determined to survive. "Palestine" may succeed in some small measure, but they'll never fully succeed in their overall goal, which is to eliminate the state of Israel. Furthermore, the main reason they've made the gains that they have is that they've stopped playing the terrorist card as much as they used to and are playing more politics these days. It is public opinion, not terrorism, that has won gains for the "Palestinians." Terrorism has provided the "stick" to the political "carrot" that they are using in their current strategy.

In summary, al Qaeda and bin Laden were trying to shock the American public in to crying for appeasement. Prior attacks upon American interests had succeeded in smaller ways, therefore a larger attack was assumed to provide larger gains.

They chose poorly.

kaylan1

07-31-2003, 11:07 AM

the internet is good for info. you can cross reference intell with many sources. it would seem diffacult to keep the lid on something this big if it involved more than 15 people. I ran in the same crowd as AnS for a spell. I tend to agree with him on this matter.;)

Zigzag2

07-31-2003, 11:21 AM

FWIWMain Entry: ig·no·rant

Pronunciation: 'ig-n(&-)r&nt
Function: adjective
Date: 14th century
1 a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>
2 : UNAWARE, UNINFORMED
- ig·no·rant·ly adverb
- ig·no·rant·ness noun
synonyms IGNORANT, ILLITERATE, UNLETTERED, UNTUTORED, UNLEARNED mean not having knowledge. IGNORANT may imply a general condition or it may apply to lack of knowledge or awareness of a particular thing <an ignorant fool> <ignorant of nuclear physics>. ILLITERATE applies to either an absolute or a relative inability to read and write <much of the population is still illiterate>. UNLETTERED implies ignorance of the knowledge gained by reading <an allusion meaningless to the unlettered>. UNTUTORED may imply lack of schooling in the arts and ways of civilization <strange monuments built by an untutored people>. UNLEARNED suggests ignorance of advanced subjects <poetry not for academics but for the unlearned masses>.

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Gunguy

07-31-2003, 12:21 PM

Hmmm, anyway you slice it the tone of being called ignorant is not acceptable to the masses...capeash.

You are lofting yourself above those people you describe as such, which makes you suspect because you are unfair in your denounciation of others by painting with such a broad brush is being errational and in bad taste.

In the past I have been guilty as sin on all points, please forgive me one and all.

GG ;)

TF118

07-31-2003, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Triggerman
A reply to mausermania, now all that I am conveighing is that many people are either uninformed or misinformed, this makes them ignorant,(or not knowing), I didn't call anybody studid. I thank you for not misqouting me. I surely didn't intend to disrespect anybody so please don't take affence.

Guess that makes you ignorant or are you 'the privileged one' who knows all and has a better 'feel' for the real truth than the other 98% of us poor ignorant ba@#%*s. By the way I was in the Perssian Gulf region, Bahrain, Saudi, Kuwait, Iraq and many more from 89-93 doing covert special opp's and I never met Bin Ladden or any of his associates, at least that is, working "with" them .
Are you related to or associated with Shiz ?
I just had to ask ...he would fit into the 2% that know the "real" story

Cow Caregiver

07-31-2003, 01:12 PM

If he was to learn to spell....

My major problem with the Patriot Act is not the current admin's use of it. The next liberal Demodiddle admin will use it in fashions that boggle the mind. "He's an uncut male. That makes him a Testosterone Terrorist...."

wuzzagrunt

07-31-2003, 02:52 PM

I hear that CCG! The Patriot Act and the Department of Homeland Security make me uncomfortable for no other reason than the way they were named. The new powers conferred by the Patriot Act have not been widely abused and the US AG has been pretty circumspect in his application of the new rules (regardless of what his critics allege). They've mostly been targeted at illegal aliens from Arab/Muslim countries and not the general citizenry. However, if Hillary Rodham Clinton ever acsends to the Whitehouse, I'm scraping the NRA sticker and the Marine Corps emblem off my car windows before innauguration day!

FN_Project90

07-31-2003, 03:26 PM

remember The internet said it SO IT MUST BE TRUE!
hehehehe
Just because my science book said that the statue of liberty was bronze it must be true....

Triggerman

07-31-2003, 09:35 PM

I didn't realize that you have never mispelled anything. It must nice to know how to spell every word in the Englissh language. I am not an English professor but I'm willing to bet that my education far surpasses that of a cowgirl. Who are you anyway to pass judgement on my physical maturity. I didn't realize that you knew me so personaly, or did I just rub your cow the wrong way that you feel you must degrade me to feel better about you and your smelly cows.:cool:

Zigzag2

07-31-2003, 10:01 PM

It's ok triggerman, No big deal!
Pizza Shop Slogan:
"7 days without pizza makes one weak."

:D

Gunguy

07-31-2003, 10:01 PM

Triggerman, you're getting a tad personal with your cow wow talk. And CCG is not a female as far as I know...so, you are stating the wrong gender as well as direct assult on CCG. This is a big no no here...read our forum header.

If I was you I'd make a personal apology to the guy and try not to have a thin skin.

If spelling was a sin, I'd be a dead duck...just laugh it off and get on with life. We can communicate without crapping on each others shoes.

Gunguy

This is my dog Tide, he lives in a shoe...I'm buster brown...I live in there too. (Remember that old radio jingle)

Triggerman

07-31-2003, 10:27 PM

He may be no more of a girl than I am a kid. That's my point.:)

1952Sniper

08-01-2003, 07:21 AM

I think you're both being insulting (Cow Caregiver and Triggerman) and you need to knock it off and act like adults.

Just my 2 cents.

TF118

08-01-2003, 01:36 PM

You are getting way over the line...either take it down a few or take it somewhere else...you have instigated enough crapp here...if your not smart enough to make a point without making personal attacks on other (older & wiser) and also younger and obviously wiser members I will boot your young a$$ off ...is that clear? We can dish it out and we can take it...but we don't want it...concider yourself warned !!!

FN_Project90

08-01-2003, 09:21 PM

hes just another net vagrant wondering from board to board trying to find purpose in his life of being a pizza jockey. Living life as a Sheep to the system and the man. Let him get his jollies or just ban him...

TF118

08-02-2003, 10:58 AM

It's Not Delivery !!! It's De- De-De-..it's French !!!
:eek: :eek:

Shizamus

08-03-2003, 10:57 AM

I agree with Sniper.

You people are insulting and you need to knock it off !

And this post is totally uncalled for :

Triggermam / pizza dilivery BOY

You are getting way over the line...either take it down a few or take it somewhere else...you have instigated enough crapp here...if your not smart enough to make a point without making personal attacks on other (older & wiser) and also younger and obviously wiser members I will boot your young a$$ off ...is that clear? We can dish it out and we can take it...but we don't want it...concider yourself warned !!!

IF YOU CAN'T BE KIND, AT LEAST HAVE
THE DECENCY TO BE VAGUE !

Triggerman

08-03-2003, 11:58 AM

You all say that you can take it how so, you haven't shown me at all yet that you can take any critisism. Instead all of you, many of whom I'm not even replying to or talking about , will sit there and insult me from all angles like a pack of sharks. What gives man? You must all be in bed together. One of you gets your feathers in a bunch and the rest of you will come running. Why is it acceptable for all of you to take cheap shots at what I do at the moment such as managing a pizza place, untill I figure out what I really want to do with the rest of my life. Yet if I come close to an insult you all will threaten to kick me off. How can any of you doubt my intelligence if you have never even met me or given me a fair shake on this forum. None of you seem as wise as you claim to be. So lets cut the s**t and get back to using th forum what it was intended for.