View Full Version : The Statue of Liberty, a Satanic Idol?
10-03-2011, 05:45 PM
I was listening to a radio show, "Fresh Air" as C. Peter Wagner of The New Apostolic Reformation was being interviewed. It seems that some folks in this organization actually think the Statue of Liberty has something to do with Satan. Mr. Wagner was not able to say that he agreed or did not agree that the statue of Liberty is satanic, I guess he has to look into it further....
Anyway, I had a look on Youtube, and sure enough there are posts about it!
"The Real Meaning of the Statue of Liberty" It goes on to say, Miss Liberty is "a pagan idol designed by satanic worshiping Masons"
It appears that the New Apostolic Reformation is not a small organization. They have some power in political circles.
For the entire interview with C. Peter Wagner:
10-03-2011, 05:51 PM
Sounds , to me, like someone has been smoking thier lunch .
I was raised in an Apostolic church they think all other religions are false (catholic, baptist, methodist, lutherin etc. included) its hard to get to heaven through there
10-03-2011, 06:18 PM
Like many of you, I've been to the Statue of Liberty, and been profoundly moved by it.
I felt no satanic vibes whatsoever.
I reckon some folks just have too much time on their hands. It would be nice if that church spent their time feeding the poor, instead of making up such nonsense... :rolleyes:
10-03-2011, 06:32 PM
like Juker said , if the WBC folks had of been building a hospital they'd a finished it already with the effort they have put in , but instead they'd rather that effort goes elsewhere and so instead of doing God's work they do the work of Satan instead
10-03-2011, 06:38 PM
OK lets say someone did pull the wool over our eyes.
What is in our hearts.
When you think of the statue of liberty do you believe it is a god?
What does it mean to you? That is all i am gona say on this.
They say the same thing about mardi grass. "your putting your hands up to pagan gods" Ah no were not, were catching beads. If it was a pagan ritual long ago it is over now.
I am sure someone will find something about our flag to be evil too.
10-03-2011, 06:58 PM
i think what your meaning is how we as Christians , see and interact with these things
i deal with indigenous folks a lot , far from Christian in beliefs but not really in action and lifestyle. i have a lot of respect for those who follow the old ways and beliefs, but this is not condoning or supporting this , but as a Christian and as a person who understands these folks , it'd be wrong to not respect them , what they know, teach , how they live etc .
So If as a Christian , you have proof positive that the builders of the Lady of Liberty , where masonic weirdo's , danced nekkid in the moonlight and drank vinegar and salt , so what ?
it's yours now and YOU the american people and the rest of the world see it differently , you see it as a progression of the Judaeo Christian morals , put into a symbol of hope for those seeking refuge from tyranny ..
the cross it's self is a symbol of torture and fear , it was a punishment like few others , and very very public and slow ... but it became a symbol of hope to all Christians and many non Christians..
so does it matter what these things start out as ??
God through the power in US , His people can make bad into good, such is the power of how we view something , and if we do so as understanding and as Believers and we look at that huge lady , and see good and hope , is that not what it is ?
Through Christ's name are all things cleansed, i read .. its did not say some , it did not say except pagan symbols, it said ALL ..
jacks 2 bits
10-03-2011, 07:23 PM
Had a fellow a few years ago giving me a hard time about having a Christmas tree. He said it came from pagan observances in Europe centuries ago. I said, "Well, in my house it symbolizes the spirit of the Christmas season." He proceeded to cast aspersions upon me, and I told him, "I'm not that kind of Christian. He said, "What kind of Christian is that?" And I said, "The kind of Christian who'll think twice about kicking your ass." :D
10-03-2011, 07:47 PM
:D i get the ' but Jack ! You must be more understanding of them ' here a lot from various "Christian" places , i understand islam just fine thank you , i am not putting my head on the block willingly no matter who say's its ok
10-03-2011, 09:58 PM
I have never seen another statue like the 'Lady' anywhere. As far far as pagan rituals go, every ritual in any modern religion springs from some 'pagan' ritual practised before written history and were probably started by, if not the Neanderthal, than by the Cro-Magnon. I just ignore the ignorant and uneducated opinionated 'My religion is better than yours' morons who probably have never read the Bible but depend upon someone else to tell them what the sesquapedalian ( words with more than one syllable) words mean.
10-03-2011, 10:05 PM
Right on Jack.
10-03-2011, 10:15 PM
Good one Juker!
10-03-2011, 11:39 PM
I guess that if you smoke enough stuff and drink enough kool aid, you can make a pagan symbol out of anything.
If you don't like it, get the hell out of my country.
308 at my gate
10-03-2011, 11:55 PM
The statue of liberty is a pagan idle, you have got to be kidding. Looney tunes out of the closet.
10-04-2011, 05:48 AM
Decoded did a segment on this very thing..was on earlier this week. they could find nothing to support this theroy. they looked for the very things talked about. yes, they did find some of the symbols but could not connect them to anything meaningful.
Personally to me its just what it seems..a BIGGGGGG statue. A gift from another country that admired what we stood for. any thing else is just superstition..and I'm not into that.
and like Jack, i too respect the beliefs of the "native" peoples. I find while the beliefs are not what I was raised with, the end result is the actions that many times are closer to the IDEAL christian than many preachers I have had the displeasure to meet. I also am PROUD to stand and be counted as a part Indian in my heritage. I have YET to meet a SHAMAN i could not respect! (SHAMANS being the equivelant of our reglious teachers, IE: Preachers)
10-04-2011, 06:53 AM
I believe scripture has relieved us of such in-depth examination of things to make sure we are not accidentally giving reverence to an idol.
This passage is kind of long, but it covers it well.
I chose The Message translation for ease of reading, but the meaning does not contradict the KJV version, which is the acid test:
1 Corinthians 10:23-33 (MSG)
23 Looking at it one way, you could say, "Anything goes. Because of God's immense generosity and grace, we don't have to dissect and scrutinize every action to see if it will pass muster." But the point is not to just get by.
24 We want to live well, but our foremost efforts should be to help others live well.
25 With that as a base to work from, common sense can take you the rest of the way. Eat anything sold at the butcher shop, for instance; you don't have to run an "idolatry test" on every item.
26 "The earth," after all, "is God's, and everything in it." That "everything" certainly includes the leg of lamb in the butcher shop.
27 If a nonbeliever invites you to dinner and you feel like going, go ahead and enjoy yourself; eat everything placed before you. It would be both bad manners and bad spirituality to cross-examine your host on the ethical purity of each course as it is served.
28 On the other hand, if he goes out of his way to tell you that this or that was sacrificed to god or goddess so-and-so, you should pass. Even though you may be indifferent as to where it came from, he isn't, and you don't want to send mixed messages to him about who you are worshiping.
29 But, except for these special cases, I'm not going to walk around on eggshells worrying about what small-minded people might say; I'm going to stride free and easy, knowing what our large-minded Master has already said.
30 If I eat what is served to me, grateful to God for what is on the table, how can I worry about what someone will say? I thanked God for it and he blessed it!
31 So eat your meals heartily, not worrying about what others say about you—you're eating to God's glory, after all, not to please them. As a matter of fact, do everything that way, heartily and freely to God's glory.
32 At the same time, don't be callous in your exercise of freedom, thoughtlessly stepping on the toes of those who aren't as free as you are.
33 I try my best to be considerate of everyone's feelings in all these matters; I hope you will be, too.
10-08-2011, 11:26 PM
Satan has used and will continue such sects or denominations to foster confusion in Christ's Church and some people are weak minded enough to beleive almost anything. JR
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