Thanks for the heads up and the url. The problem boiled down to a worn out Lee hand primer. Like me it had just been used to many times. I replaced it with a new Lee hand primer but in this whole process I have discovered what an inferior primer tool the Lee is. Wouldn't have discovered this with out participation in this forum. When the pocket book will allow I will be getting an better tool. On another note I just passed the qualification for my CCW and will pick up my license on Tuesday May 5. I was the oldest by a long shot at the class but not the worst shot by a long shot, ha. Thanks again.