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Mannlicher Schoenauer M1910 value and more information needed

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I inherited this rifle from my grandfather and I cant get any local information from my gunsmiths. This is a Mannlicher Schoenauer M1910 rifle. On the side of the rifle it says " Oesterr. Waffenfabr.-Ges. Steyr" I would like to know what this is chambered in as well as any information on what it may have been used for as my grandpa passed away before I could get the entire story from him. I believe the front of the stock either used to go all the way to the tip of the barrel, or the wood may have broke and a new piece put in its place, it does not appear original. The rifle has the double trigger for setting the hair trigger I believe. Any pertinent info from you gentleman would be great, and possibly a value!
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#28 ·
Stumbled across this thread and felt the need to register all of a sudden, so here goes, my first post.
I have one of these exact rifles, and it's an awesome rifle to shoot. Mine doesn't even have bases for a scope, I just use it as is with the original iron sight, works perfectly for driving hunts. The 1910 was only made in 9.5x57 M/S (a.k.a. 9.5x56 M/S, a.k.a. .375 Rimless Nitro Express 2.25". Not to be confused with 9.5x57 Mauser!).

You should definitely try to get this rifle going again, if you or someone you know handload, this calibre is neither hard nor expensive to make, once you get hold of the right tools. CH4D has them, RCBS also has (or had) tools for this caliber, that's what I'm using. Just make sure that it is in fact a 9.5x57M/S, a lot of these rifles were converted due to the obsolete calibre.

Your best bet is to form your own brass from 30-06. I've tried to use all kinds of cases from the x57mm family and it might work for you but chances are you'll end up with headspace problems, as I did. When using the 30-06 you can get the case shoulder just right for your rifle. The 9.5x57M/S is NOT in the x57mm family, although it is similar.
Use a case that has an even brass thickness in the wall of the shoulder and body. I use Lapua/Sako, or Sellier&Bellot, but I don't know how common they are where you live. I've heard that Winchester or Remington works perfectly (can't remember which), but they're not that common where I live so I've never tried them. An even case wall will prevent bulges on the case neck when calibrating.
Cut the case to something like 58mm. Use a .375 Neck expansion die to widen the case mouth. Run through the 9.5x57 calibration die. Trim case to 57mm. Voila. Mine works right from the start, some people recommend fireforming but I never had to. Makes no noticable difference for me at least.

The Mannlicher Schönauer rifles requires a round nose bullet and correct cartridge length to feed correctly when loading the magazine to full capacity. Factory cartridges were loaded with 270gn bullets.
You could use pointed bullets if that's cheaper, but you might not be able to load more than one or two bullets at once. My magazine locks up completely when loaded with more than 2 pointed bullets.
I recommend Hornady 270 RN, which is very similar in shape to the original bullet. If you want to use a premium bullet, Woodleigh makes a round nose in 270 in basically the same shape.

When it comes to loads, there are some information to be found out there, but not much. A good place to start is to find some loads for the 9.3x57 Mauser and start low from there. I've only used Norma powder and I am still trying to find the perfect load. I have developed some more than acceptable ones but not quite reached the performance of the original cartrigdes yet. Original cartrigde delivered 2250fps in the rifle and 2150fps in the carbine.

My rant is now over. I have a bit of a passion for these rifles, sorry for the barrage of information. :)
 
#29 ·
Good post Swede, I enjoyed it thoroughly. I'm a great fan of the early M/S also, fine rifles. I learned the same thing about the magazine in my 1903 except that it will only function with 140 gr. spire point. I wanted to use the great 160 gr. round nose but it would only allow, as you said, to load one in the magazine. 140 spire points and it held the full compliment. I probably should have suspected that as it was proofed for 140 gr. bullets.
 
#32 ·
Glad you guys enjoyed the info.
Regarding the stock, it's not completely impossible to find replacements, especially if you can live with a post WW2 stock. I managed to find one from a german gun auction site (egun.de), I would say that's the best bet to find one on my side of the Atlantic. A couple of times a year one will usually appear, typically from post WW2 models like the 1950.
They are generally not as good as the original pre-war stocks, and they don't have the steel buttplate but instead a plastic one, but with a bit of luck you can find a nice one that fits with very little work. It might be possible to move the original buttplate to the replacement stock, but I have never tried so I don't really know.
I wanted to replace my original full stock to avoid damaging it while hunting, and because I don't like the look of a full stock on a long barrel (Mine is 23.5").
I got hold of one that's probably from a model 1950. Required minimal fitting. Payed something like 110€ + freight, but I've seen cheaper as well.
Winnbighunter, I usually keep an eye on egun.de for spare parts, if you want I could let you know if I spot something that could work for you. In that case drop me a message with your email address.
I really hope you take the time to get your rifle working, I guarantee it will be worth it.
 
#33 · (Edited)
Unless your M1910 has been altered it is, as others have noted, chambered for the proprietary Mannlicher Schönauer cartridge 9.5X57, AKA 9.5X56, AKA .375 Nitro Express Rimless.

The Mfr. name of 'Oesterr. Waffenfabr.-Ges. Steyr' indicates that your MS was built no later than 1926 as the name of the firm changed that year to 'Steyr - Werke'.



Though it's a shame your original stutzen (full stocked carbine) stock has had it's forend cut, at least your steel trapdoor buttplate appears to be intact. Bonus points if the original cleaning rods are therein.




One possible solution to the stock 'problem' could be to snub it off to the shape of the Mannlicher Schönauer halfstocked rifles and takedown versions. How long is your barrel?



Clint Eastwood with a takedown model MS:


Reloading (handloading) for the 9.5X57 is rather easy, just use proper brass. Quality Cartridge (Qual-Cart) now makes new, properly sized and headstamped brass (click link) - https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/75499 or it can be easily formed from .35 Whelen. Proper projectiles are getting to be hard to find, however. The Schönauer magazine can be particular regarding the exact shape of cartridges fed to it. Use round nose 270 grain and set them exactly as in the Eley drawing above for effortless feeding.

Reed's Specialties sells complete, fresh cartridges made from new Norma brass (9.3X57 headstamp, however). It's properly made and he's a good guy to work with. https://shop.reedsammo.com/95x57-MS-270g-RNSP-95x57270RNSP.htm .

The Mannlicher Schönauer sporting rifles are among the finest ever made. Once you've handled and fired yours, you'll see why they're so highly regarded.

Here are instructions for disassembly of your MS (click link and scroll down): http://www.mannlicher.org/aboutmannlichers/mannlichercharacteristics Use proper fitting (thin) drivers!

More info: https://www.africahunting.com/threa...908-m1910-m1924-m1925-or-high-velocity.47277/

Enjoy!
 
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