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If you've been to Dealy Plaza, who do you NOW think killed JFK?

  • Oswald, PERIOD. Case closed.

    Votes: 23 27.7%
  • Oswald, but with help from a conspiracy.

    Votes: 18 21.7%
  • Oswald was a "patsy shooter." somebody else did the actual killing.

    Votes: 37 44.6%
  • Not Oswald....

    Votes: 5 6.0%

How do you feel about the JFK "Conspiracy...."

15K views 93 replies 44 participants last post by  greggs 
#1 · (Edited)
...if you've BEEN to Dealey Plaza?

I have always thought there MUST have been a conspiracy involved in JFK's assassination, UNTIL I looked through the 6th floor window of the "Book Depository this week.

Hell, I could have made that shot with my '97 Winchester and deer slugs...:cool:
 
#77 ·
I was a high school junior in civics class

when the teacher came in and broke the news to us.

Stunned silence.....some girls began crying.....

I think that miserable shiite head, LBJ had it done ....

just so he could screw up the Vietnam war........Grrrrrrrrr
I was 19 at the time working at a Freight Yard in Chicago unloading a furniture truck from a Southern state and when the PA system announced he had been shot the driver said (It,s about time somebody shot that N loving SOB)
 
#78 ·
Just playing devil's Advocate here... ;)

If the driver fired a shot...

Wouldn't Jackie have seen a flash & heard the loud report in front of her ?

If a silencer were used, would not she still have seen some muzzle blast ?
 
#79 ·
Wow, that film is pretty convincing, unless it was in fact altered to look like the driverhad a gun and fired the shot.

As to those who say the spray would follow the direction of bullet travel, that is incorrect,. Actually matter exits from both the entrance AND exit wounds. Think of a drill press drilling through metal. Or a drill on an oil or water drilling rig. Long before the drill breaks through the other side, pigtails are exiting from the entry hole. In the same way, as a bullet enters a body it first shreds body matter, then forces it rearward out the entrance wound. Everything is not pushed forward because hydraulic pressure forces matter rearward. That is why there is first a large temporary cavity followed by a smaller permanent cavity.
 
#80 ·
I still think it was some sort of Rogue CIA operation. It might've not been an operation that was approved, or even the top brass at CIA even knew.

Personally, I think this was in direct result of Kennedy refusing to back the trained Cuban soldiers in the bay of pigs. You don't leave your men hanging out to dry after you trained them, worked with them. And... when Kennedy refused to give the guys we promised support; I think some of the mid level guys at Central Intelligence decided somebody would be made to pay. I don't think the Cubans, or the Mafia were the ones to assassinate Kennedy.
 
#82 ·
Just playing devil's Advocate here... ;)

If the driver fired a shot...

Wouldn't Jackie have seen a flash & heard the loud report in front of her ?

If a silencer were used, would not she still have seen some muzzle blast ?
Jackie wasn't look at him, so she didn't see Greer shoot although she may have realized it but who knows. Connally saw Greer shoot jfk and took it to his grave. They didn't say anything because it was a massive cover-up. Just imagine the governor of TX going against the media and government in the 60's. A complete joke. Of course it was ridiculous and that's the very reason why millions of americans should know about it. So, they can laugh at how retarded government can really be when their arrogance allows such an epic blunder.

Connally said he saw the fatal shot and quickly corrected himself but his reaction when looking at Greer proves he slipped up. Watch him hit the floor in horror once he realized Greer shot Kennedy.

Obviously, at least the major wound that I took in the shoulder through the chest couldn't have been anything but the second shot. Obviously, it couldn't have been the third, because when the third shot was fired I was in a reclining position, and heard it, saw it and the effects of it, rather--I didn't see it, I saw the effects of it--so it obviously could not have been the third, and couldn't have been the first, in my judgment.
 
#83 ·
Reality and fakery are in sync with Greer's fatal shot

Greer's left arm crossing in the Nix film and the fake reflection in Zapruder are in perfect sync with the headshot.

FRAMES 312-313

Watch the fake reflection extend in perfect sync with the fake red mist/blotch. The fake reflections simply mimic what Greer's true movements did when shooting jfk.
 
#84 ·
A loud gunshot in the limo

So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.

GREER FIRED RIGHT OVER CONNALLY'S HEAD and when he realized Greer fired it, he hit the floor, terrified. WATCH THE GOVERNOR.
 
#85 ·
Betzner saw Greer's nickel plated revolver

THIS IS MOST LIKELY THE CLOSEST EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT PLACING THE GUN IN GREER'S HAND.

COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22 day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Hugh William Betzner, Jr., Address 5922 Velasco, Dallas, Age 22 , Phone No. TA 7-9761
Deposes and says:

I was standing on Houston Street near the intersection of Elm Street. I took a picture of President Kennedy's car as it passed along Houston Street. I have an old camera. I looked down real quick and rolled the film to take the next picture. I then ran down to the corner of Elm andHouston [sic] Streets, this being the southwest corner. I was standing back from the corner and had to take the pictures through some of the crowd. I ran on down Elm a little more and President Kennedy's car was starting to go down the hill to the triple underpass. I was running trying to keep the President's car in my view and was winding my film as I ran. I was looking down at my camera to see the number of the film as I ran. I took another picture as the President's car was going down the hill on Elm Street. I started to wind my film again and I heard a loud noise. I thought that this noise was either a firecracker or a car had backfired. I looked up and it seemed like there was another loud noise in the matter of a few seconds. I looked down the street and I could see the President's car and another one and they looked like the cars were stopped. Then I saw a flash of pink like someone standing up and then sitting back down in the car. Then I ran around so I could look over the back of a monument and I either saw the following then or when I was sitting back down on the corner of Elm Street. I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air. I also saw a man in either the President's car or the car behind his and someone down in one of those cars pull out what looked like a rifle. I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car. Then the President's car sped on under the underpass. Police and a lot of spectators started running up the hill on the opposite side of the street from me to a fence of wood. I assumed that was where the shot was fired from at that time. I kept watching the crowd. Then I came around the monument over to Main Street. I walked down toward where the President's car had stopped. I saw a Police Officer and some men in plain clothes. I don't know who they were. These Police Officers and the men in plain clothes were digging around in the dirt as if they were looking for a bullet. I walked back around the monument over to Elm Street where they were digging in the dirt. I went on across the street and up the embankment to where the fence is located. By this time almost all of the people had left. There were quite a few people down on the street and crowded around a motorcycle. I was looking around the fence as the rumor had spread that that was where the shot had come from. I started figuring where I was when I had taken the third picture and it seemed to me that the fence row would have been in the picture. I saw a group of men who looked like they might be officers and one of them turned out to be Deputy Sheriff Boone. I told him about the picture I had taken. Deputy Sheriff Boone contacted superiors and was told to bring me over to the Sheriff's Office. Deputy Sheriff Boone took my camera and asked me to wait. I waited in the Sheriff's Office and some time later, an hour or two, he brought my camera back and told me that as soon as they got through with the film and they were dry that they would give me the film. A little later he came in and gave me the negatives and told me that they were interested in a couple of pictures and implied that the negatives was all I was going to get back. To the best of my knowledge, this is all I know about this incident. /s/ Hugh William Betzner, Jr.
http://www.jfk-online.com/betzner.html
 
#86 ·
Clint Hill saw the hole and heard Greer's revolver

Clint describes a massive exit that could have only been caused by that goon, Greer.

Clint Hill saw the massive hole on the right rear portion of his head.

Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car.
Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car. She turned toward me and I grabbed her and put her back in the back seat, crawled up on top of the back seat and lay there.

Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

The back of his head opens up at the moment of the front right impact.

FRAME 337
 
#87 ·
Mary's historic pic confirms red herring shot from GRASSY KNOLL

Moorman's affadavit supports the dummie shot that followed the driver shooting at 313. She took the pic 1/5 a second before the fatal shot and then heard another one. The last shot was fired to provide a red herring for the witnesses that remained on elm near the limo. THE LAST SHOT WAS A DUMMIE SHOT to confuse people and give them an alternative location for the fatal shot.

Mary Moorman's Affidavit (back to the list of witnesses)
Mrs. Jean Hill and I were standing on the grass by the park on Elm Street between the underpass and the corner of Elm & Houston. I had a Polaroid Camera with me and was intending to take pictures of President Kennedy and the motorcade. As the motorcade started toward me I took two pictures. As President Kennedy was opposite me I took a picture of him. As I snapped the picture of President Kennedy, I heard a shot ring out. President Kennedy kind of slumped over. Then I heard another shot ring out and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up in the car and said, "My God he had been shot." When I heard these shots ring out, I fell to the ground to keep from being hit myself. I heard three or four shots in all. After the pictures I took were developed, the Picture of President Kennedy showed him slumped over. When the pictures were developed, they came out real light. These pictures have been turned over to Officers investigating this incident.

1. 147-160 missed
2. 225 from front hit Kennedy in throat
3. 234 Connally struck in back from behind
4. 313 Driver fires fatal shot
5. 323 give or take a few frames; a shot was fired from the fence/knoll immediately after Greer fired to confuse people standing on elm about the fatal shot coming from inside the limo. IT WAS A DUMMIE SHOT.

 
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#88 ·
No muzzle blast, no smoke, no recoil. All of which defy the laws of physics.

You can put up all the vids you want, but until they support the science and the laws that govern them, your posts are worthless.

Is that what yer looking for? Ways to make yer video more believable?

Consider it my contribution.

Do you have any other contributions to this site? I don't see any.
 
#89 · (Edited by Moderator)
No muzzle blast, no smoke, no recoil. All of which defy the laws of physics.

You can put up all the vids you want, but until they support the science and the laws that govern them, your posts are worthless.

Is that what yer looking for? Ways to make yer video more believable?

Consider it my contribution.

Do you have any other contributions to this site? I don't see any.
There is a recoil. There is clear film alteration. There is no challenge against the mountain of evidence against jfk's real assassin, the driver. I will post more proof and you will say there is no evidence without acknowledging reality, Greer fired the fatal shot, clearly and obviously. You will never offer any other explanations because you know I will asswhoop you with ease. From the front, by Greer.
 
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