Anyone have any data or know where to find it on reloading 223/556 with
62gr Barnes tsx/ttsx and cfe223 or H355 ??
I have five different reloading manuals none of them have anything using this combination of powder and bullet, Hodgdon and Barns websit do not show this combo
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Hodgdon website shows 1 load with H335 and 2 with cfe223. Sometimes y o u just can't do a perfect match. Go with the bullet weight and start with the minimum load and work up.
Thanks for the reply, I have looked at this site and thought the cfe info on the BAR TAC-XBT was for the ttsx but wasn't sure,, I did try three (62gr ttsx) at 25.7 gr of cfe 223 but was filling like i was over pressuring the round, thin looking at the other load data SFT SCIR (soft point)????? on the same page starting at lower charges as me concerned about my load..
I'v read loading all copper bullets: back off charge two full grains and thin read another that says the grooves in the ttsx lets you load the same as any bullet of same weight???
Not sure what to believe....
Is the Hodgdon sit on 62gr. BAR TAC-XBT correct for the TTSX?? and why if the STF stand for soft point start out at a lower powder charge?
Thanks for your help....
It seems that I have read that you use XBT data for TTSX bullet. As far as 25.7 grains filling the case, it is no where near full. I just got through loading 200 rounds using a 55 grain bullet with 27.3 grains of CFE-223, now that almost filled the case.
Always, ALWAYS start at the minimum powder load and work up, no matter what bullet and/or powder you are using.
I did use the XBT data from Hodgdon site thinking it is/was for X bullets (TTSX),, wa/is this not correct?
I do and did start out at there starting load of 25.3 gr. of cfe223 but i did use a coal of 2.260 and was in the high 2600 fps range, thought that was pretty low fps so i stated up the ladder and was checking brass and the head space had grown .004 longer than any of my other fired cases using Hornandy gauge, so I checked some old cases and shot a couple of factory Winchester rounds to make sure and sure enough the ttsx's i just loaded had more head space stretch or length by a .004
if your telling me the xbt data is the same for the tsx/ttsx i will continue up the ladder and check and recheck as i go... is head space moving out .004 of an inch anything to worry about, all primers looked good the belt around the case was actually less less than the factory winchester rounds.
The last time I played with the 556 it was hot florida summer time and once fired cases where at
1.458 I set the shoulder back ..003 at 1.455,,, loaded winchester cases, cci 41 primers, 25.7gr of cfe 223, 62gr barns ttsx bullets with a coal of 2.260,,, when I noticed the head space moving out is when i started looking around for more info...
Thanks for for you help and in put, maybe i'm just over thinking it
You are thinking about it a lot more than I am, that's for sure. I have been reloading for close to 40 years and you have lost me with the talk of head space and so forth. I load and shoot, looking for signs of over pressure and have no way to check head space!
Sorry gdmoody I'm still learning,,, is the website from Hodgdon the one I need to be looking at is the XTB info the one I need to use for the TTSX or is there another that you were specking of
It seems that you have learned a lot more in your 2 years than I have in 40 years!
I read it somewhere on that site about the TTSX and XTB. I have never found any CFE-223 data anywhere else. I will be glad when the data makes it to the paper manuals!
I doubt very much that I have a clue of your 40 years experience with reloading, I'm very much a newbie but really like to reload and learn, I think I will ease up the ladder with this info and keep a close eye on things and will try to let yea know what I come up with or how it works out, if the rain ever stops down here,,, it's been pouring for three days....
Thanks again for your help.....
The TAC-X (BT = boattail...cat#22406) data can be used with the TTSX #22454 or the TSX #22460.
There might be some differences in the internal construction between the TAC lines and the other Barnes lines. Physically, I can't measure any differences between the 22406 and the 22460. I've got some of each sitting on my shelf.
You can get a definitive answer from the guys at Barnes too if you shoot them an email. They're a great bunch of folks to chat with whether by email or even on the phone. http://www.barnesbullets.com/resources/contact-us/
As for that SFT SCIR data you found, that is the Swift Scirocco line of bullets. www.swiftbullets.com/
If it were me............ I would call Barnes tech support at 800-574-9200 and ask them if they have worked up a load using those powders since they are fairly popular powders with the CFE 223 being relatively new.
I called them recently asking why so few powders were listed for their bullets and was informed that they are constantly working on new loads but just don't seem to get the updates on their website as quick as they should. They emailed me their latest load tables which showed twice as many powders as their website showed, sadly CFE 223 and 335 weren't among them BUT........ they may have worked up loads by now.
Really nice, informative folks to talk to, well worth a five minute phone call!
Please don't take this the wrong way but, you are seriously over thinking this if you are loading for an AR. Now if you're loading for a bolt action or single shot, you're thinking along the right lines.
Not at all howlimad not at all,,, I have been accused of being a perfectionist by X-coworkers before retirement
It is an Ar, I'm just trying to get all I can out of it,,,, I have a 6.8 DD Ambush that can do 1/2 groups at a 100yds with the 85g TTSX 2780/2800 fps,, it took a box and a half of bullets and a lot of head scratching to get it there, I'm trying to do the same with my little one...
I have no experience with the CFE223, but use the H335 with a 62 gr. bullet, 24.5 grains of H335 lit by a Remington 7 1/2 primer and topped with a 62 gr. bullet.
Was reading Bindernuts site referral and came across this:
- Tips Achieving optimum accuracy with Barnes all-copper bullets.
1) Thoroughly clean your barrel with an aggressive copper remover (Barnes CR-10 or Sweets 7.62). Our all-copper Triple Shock X Bullet is made of a softer material than used in conventional jacketed bullets. Be sure to clean any jacket fouling from your barrel before you shoot TSX Bullets. We've found that jacket fouling diminishes accuracy with our bullets.
2) Because TSX Bullets are all-copper, they have different pressure characteristics compared to conventional jacketed bullets. In our lab, we have experienced best pressures and accuracy when TSX Bullets are seated .030″ - .070″ off the lands (the grooves or rifling in a barrel.) The majority of the time, we've seen optimum accuracy when bullets are seated .050″ off the lands, so start there. Then move backward or forward in .005″ - .010″ increments to find the "sweet spot" for your particular rifle. Try using a lighter weight bullet.
Because the TSX Bullet retains nearly 100 percent of its original weight and penetrates so well, many shooters select a lighter-weight TSX Bullet over a heavier conventional bullet. The lighter TSX Bullet delivers higher velocites and a flatter trajectory, and outperforms heavier bullets of conventional design.
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