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dhom 10-02-2012 05:26 AM
30-06
 
My 30-06 is loaded with 165 gr Nosler ballistic tips,IMR 4350, and a CCI Mag primer. I have no complaints about this load. [accurate and deadly] I chrono this long time ago at 2750 fps. Now we have some [advertised as improved powders] My question is ,,,,,,,has anyone used anything like Superformance or Hybrid 100 to improve on velocities and still get the same accuracy expected from their rifle? I see 2900 fps achieved in the new reloading data, is this a realistic velocity? Also, has anyone experimented with the Barnes 130 gr TTSX with good results?

steve4102 10-02-2012 07:26 AM
Re: 30-06
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dhom (Post 1000808)
My 30-06 is loaded with 165 gr Nosler ballistic tips,IMR 4350, and a CCI Mag primer. I have no complaints about this load. [accurate and deadly] I chrono this long time ago at 2750 fps. Now we have some [advertised as improved powders] My question is ,,,,,,,has anyone used anything like Superformance or Hybrid 100 to improve on velocities and still get the same accuracy expected from their rifle? I see 2900 fps achieved in the new reloading data, is this a realistic velocity? Also, has anyone experimented with the Barnes 130 gr TTSX with good results?
According to Hodgdon your IMR 4350 outperforms the HB 100V by 130fps, no advantage there. Superformance only nets a gain of about 40fps.

2750fps seems slow, Hodgdon list that for a Minimum charge, what is your load and barrel length?

steve4102 10-02-2012 07:28 AM
Re: 30-06
 
Code:
Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet            : .308, 168, Nosler BalTip 30168
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch or 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge  Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %    Grains    Gramm  fps    %      psi    psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Somchem S365                      108.4    59.4    3.85    2954  100.0    60000    9246  1.119  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP                          110.0    63.3    4.10    2936    97.2    55760  10607  1.146  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                    105.6    60.1    3.89    2930    98.7    60000    9811  1.121  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4350                      105.1    57.6    3.74    2929    99.0    60000    9680  1.114  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-17                  97.0    56.1    3.64    2926  100.0    60000    9357  1.112  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760                      99.7    58.1    3.77    2922    98.1    60000    9774  1.125  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP                          105.1    57.3    3.72    2917    99.7    60000    9490  1.128  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation        105.2    57.4    3.72    2917    99.7    60000    9487  1.128  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-19                110.0    60.7    3.93    2916    96.4    59957    9915  1.119  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350                      109.3    57.7    3.74    2915    99.7    60000    9478  1.142  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550                    102.0    57.5    3.72    2915    99.6    60000    9601  1.133  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4350                          107.8    56.9    3.69    2913    98.4    60000    9592  1.120  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2209                        109.0    59.8    3.87    2907    96.1    60000    9808  1.114  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot BigGame                    98.0    55.8    3.62    2900  100.0    60000    9163  1.128  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 11                  98.1    55.9    3.62    2898  100.0    60000    9150  1.128  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414                        97.0    56.9    3.69    2896    98.0    60000    9610  1.135  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 SSC                      110.0    62.3    4.04    2895    93.7    57205  10170  1.134  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                          110.0    58.1    3.76    2890    99.7    59291    9274  1.142  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA4                        107.6    59.3    3.84    2889    96.1    60000    9618  1.121  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          107.6    59.3    3.84    2889    96.1    60000    9618  1.121  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204                          104.2    59.3    3.84    2889    96.1    60000    9618  1.121  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP14 ~approximation        110.0    60.7    3.93    2887    96.0    58553    9775  1.131  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation          95.3    52.6    3.41    2876    99.9    60000    9025  1.139  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA11                        95.3    52.6    3.41    2876    99.9    60000    9025  1.139  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-15                  95.3    52.6    3.41    2876    99.9    60000    9025  1.139  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203B                          95.8    52.8    3.42    2875  100.0    60000    8959  1.140  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S385                      110.0    61.3    3.97    2874    97.2    59120    9515  1.143  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                      90.1    54.2    3.51    2871  100.0    60000    8829  1.142  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203 old                      97.3    54.3    3.52    2870  100.0    60000    8826  1.150  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380                        96.6    54.4    3.53    2865    99.4    60000    9105  1.143  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 748                      87.7    52.0    3.37    2865  100.0    60000    8512  1.135  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S361                      106.1    62.3    4.04    2865    97.4    60000    9303  1.135  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R903                      99.5    54.3    3.52    2863  100.0    60000    8752  1.150  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N560                    110.0    62.0    4.02    2861    92.4    53209  10348  1.173  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780            108.0    62.8    4.07    2861    96.0    60000    9345  1.123  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex-S0701                        104.2    56.8    3.68    2860    98.1    60000    9252  1.144  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4320                            97.3    52.8    3.42    2859  100.0    60000    8693  1.125  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2213                        110.0    61.3    3.97    2856    93.2    55864    9975  1.147  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516                93.1    54.7    3.54    2856    99.4    60000    8986  1.135  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S355                        99.4    53.6    3.48    2856  100.0    60000    8753  1.146  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R904                      108.1    58.8    3.81    2851    94.9    60000    9286  1.127  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 9                    92.9    52.9    3.43    2850  100.0    60000    8723  1.136  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 SC                  110.0    61.3    3.97    2849    93.3    58609    9502  1.132  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031

JLA 10-02-2012 07:44 PM
Re: 30-06
 
The new powders do bear alot of performance merit over older powders. I worked with 2000MR in the .308 when it first came out. I was pushing a 175 gr sierra matchking at 2985 fps before I started getting pressure signs. And the pressure signs was only loosened primer pockets after 2-3 reloads. I could have easily gone higher and pushed the cases to extractor marks and probably got another 100-150 more fps.

dhom 10-09-2012 05:07 AM
Re: 30-06
 
I am using 57gr of IMR 4350 and a CCI mag primer. Actually my barrel measures 21 1/2". It is an old Win 670.

myfriendis410 10-09-2012 09:27 AM
Re: 30-06
 
I've used the 130 TTSX in the .300 win mag with velocities in the 3,600 fps range. IMR4350 is a popular powder in the -06 but I've had better results with H4831. Your shorter barrel might put you into a slightly faster powder like 4350 and some of the newer powders may give you some gain in the shorter tube. IMO I would never trade velocity for accuracy. You also might try the Federal 215M primer.


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