[aa1911]

"so 4 BG's attack and you use 1 magazine to make sure one is down and out? (just tugging at your leg since you so kindly stuck it out there!!)"

Nope, not really. everyone gets some before I go back and hand out seconds.

One target, they get the whole mag (pays to bring friends, hahaa!) Two targets, first guy gets one, second gets two, first gets a second shot. then the mag gets finished between the two based on what they're doing. but the mag gets finished on them.

more than that, everyone will get either one or two quick shots and once I'm thru everyone, start over. reload as necessary!

But my point is that anyone I shoot ends up with roughly a full magazine in them. anything worth shooting once, it's worth shooting them a million times. Ammo ain't that expensive yet.

I generally train for one to three or four targets/threats, more than that, up close anyway, I probably won't make it if they're all shooting at me. I can get rounds on 3-4 targets in under a second at average handgun distances. with a rifle, same speed but much easier and more accurate.

ya got me again, goin' off on another tangent! hahahaa

alc45 is correct, I think we're looking for the ONE gun that fits all bills. We all have favorites for different things, but which ONE caliber are you gonna choose if you could only have one gun? for me it's still .308

and for the 12g, where I live it's perfect; got a long hallway that runs the entire length of the house, front door on one end, my bedroom on the other. Kids are out of the line of fire. Backstop is my driveway, a huge berm, 300yds of field to the next house. Nothing you can load in a 12g is making it that far. For others, penetration is an issue so I understand. But something like #4 buckshot won't penetrate anywhere near what the average handgun round will, nobody seems to worry about the handgun though?

I do love the little .410 but I just can't see it as a 'all around' best by any means.