[yoric]

They are still endangered, supposedly (if one can believe the animal-lovers about ANYTHING0. The burden of proof is on he who asserts the POSITIVE. There is no proof whatsoever that such tests ever took place, and they were stupid in the extreme. The fastest "incapacitation" was 1.8 seconds, the fastest average incapacitation (for 5 goats with the same load) was 4.5 seconds. When a man is stabbing, clubbing or shooting you 4x per second, and his buddy is doing the same, 1.8 seconds is entirely too long for your pistol to make any difference in the outcome. You need one chest hit to deliver an INSTANTANEOUS staggering of your attacker, with his arms falling to his sides, or your load sucks.

The issue can be resolved with the shooting of 10 animals with each of 2 types of handgun ammo. Light, fast, and expanding, slow, heavy, and non expanding. However, the animals have to be strung up, and shot thru one lung, the way men get shot. A hit that holes both lungs is a lot more likely to suffice than one that hits only one lung.

The .38 snub has been pocket carried by many tens, if not hundreds of thousands of men, in the past 60 years. The Kahr 9mm is thinner, lighter, and smaller than the .38 snub. Ergo, the Kahr is adequately concealable enough to always be with you. So why settle for having 1/3rd to 1/2 of the power you could have in your pocket? Absolutely nobody (who knows anything) considers a pocket 9mm to be a reliable manstopper, but it's way ahead of a 2" barreled 380.