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polishshooter · 05-01-2007, 10:55 PM

In another forum here, (NFA Weapons, believe it or not, in a thread about an M2 Carbine) I had a "Road to Ephesus/Eureka Moment....." ( I LOVE the "intellectual stimulation" this place provides! MUCH better than talking to myself on my long trips between inventories on the road....

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Here it is.

How many of you, like me, lived through the 60s and remember Walter Cronkite, the race riots, the Civil Rights Movement, the Vietnam War protests...

I remember it like yesterday. I was too young for Vietnam, but I was well on my way in my reading and love of learning about World War II, and the military in general, starting to think about a career in the US Army or the USMC, or maybe the Navy....in a "typical" family with a strong WWII vet Red-White-and Blue Father, and an older brother with a college deferment, sweating the draft, going to occasional protest (for the "loose women" he now says,) and flirting with the draft, and contemplating going to Canada if drafted, which caused a lot of "friction" at home, that as a 10 or 12 year old kid confused the HELL out of me, I would have joined in a heartbeat if I was a few years older...and watching Walter Cronkite every night, seeing the images from 'nam, and all the violence in the streets, and figuring out the 'body counts" to see if we were "winning...."

And remembering just how MAD I was at the evacuation of Saigon in '75, with the desperate people grabbing the skids of the Hueys at the embassy, with US MARINES clubbing them off and them falling off as the Huey lifted off....(Which will happen AGAIN if the Democrats get us to leave Iraq too soon.....) (I thought THEN and still DO that instead of flying refugees TO the carriers, we should have been flying shuttle A-7 missions OFF the carriers hitting the NVA armored columns with everything we had that were sitting ducks in broad daylight rolling down Highway 1, but they played us and "US Public Opinion" like a fiddle....but I digress....

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BUt in 1976 I started College, majoring in History. In one of my classes, I remember a discussion about "allegations" of KGB funding and direct involvement to "cause dissent" in many of our problems of the 60s and 70s...and there has been speculation since....even wondering if the still sealed records about Rev. Martin Luther King and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference contain any records that might prove it, and the almost accepted fact that the Weathermen and the SDS were infiltrated. It was also established that the KGB funneled it's money to dissident groups in the US and the West through the Bank of Prague in the 60s and 70s, (which I remembered during the Clinton era, when nobody ELSE seemed too concerned as to WHY Bill Clinton also happened to travel to Prague during this same time period when he was involved with student anti-war protests....

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This "wild hair" hit me when I was recounting the story an old Indian friend of mine that was a "warrior" at the Wounded Knee uprising during the late 60s or early 70s....that he claims he saw a LOT of other "warriors" carrying AK-47s....at a time there were VERY FEW legal AKs in the states! Since then I always accepted that if true, that was "proof" of KGB involvement in our turbulent 60s....

But, here is the thought that hit me....

In the 60s and 70s, amid all the unrest, and the supposedly "wildly" unpopular war, what did we have as facts of life? A Liberal, Biased national media? A "hated" Republican President? A Democratic Party tilting WILDLY to the left embracing ALL the "radical movements du jour," doing ANYTHING to regain the White House? Virtually "Anti-War," "Anti-Military", "US is wrong to get involved in a'civil war,'" Hollywood Stars flirting with Treason, spouting wild Anti-US statements?

We have ALL of that TODAY too....in some cases WORSE than then....

But back THEN we had tens, maybe HUNDREDS of thousands of people protesting the war almost daily, "Sit-ins" on every college campus, the National Guard called out all over, deaths even, the mall in DC a big "love fest" and drug party. clogged from end to end with protesters and Hippies with "free-love" and drugs.......BESIDES the riots in a lot of cities.....

But TODAY, when we have an "Anti-War" protest, they manage to get together about 42 people, 10 of them 1960s drug-addled Hippies, 20 or so Move-On-Dot-Org Wackos, and the rest Democratic Presidential candidates trying to get face-time on TV....or a wack job in a ditch in Crawford....

Here's my Eureka Moment.....

Could this PROVE that just MAYBE the Politburo and the KGB had a greater influence on US internal affairs back then than we even SUSPECT????

I'm thinking it just MAY.....What do you think?

05-01-2007, 10:55 PM	#1
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,863	What do you think of my logic? Vietnam vs. Iraq, AT HOME. In another forum here, (NFA Weapons, believe it or not, in a thread about an M2 Carbine) I had a "Road to Ephesus/Eureka Moment....." ( I LOVE the "intellectual stimulation" this place provides! MUCH better than talking to myself on my long trips between inventories on the road.... ) Here it is. How many of you, like me, lived through the 60s and remember Walter Cronkite, the race riots, the Civil Rights Movement, the Vietnam War protests... I remember it like yesterday. I was too young for Vietnam, but I was well on my way in my reading and love of learning about World War II, and the military in general, starting to think about a career in the US Army or the USMC, or maybe the Navy....in a "typical" family with a strong WWII vet Red-White-and Blue Father, and an older brother with a college deferment, sweating the draft, going to occasional protest (for the "loose women" he now says,) and flirting with the draft, and contemplating going to Canada if drafted, which caused a lot of "friction" at home, that as a 10 or 12 year old kid confused the HELL out of me, I would have joined in a heartbeat if I was a few years older...and watching Walter Cronkite every night, seeing the images from 'nam, and all the violence in the streets, and figuring out the 'body counts" to see if we were "winning...." And remembering just how MAD I was at the evacuation of Saigon in '75, with the desperate people grabbing the skids of the Hueys at the embassy, with US MARINES clubbing them off and them falling off as the Huey lifted off....(Which will happen AGAIN if the Democrats get us to leave Iraq too soon.....) (I thought THEN and still DO that instead of flying refugees TO the carriers, we should have been flying shuttle A-7 missions OFF the carriers hitting the NVA armored columns with everything we had that were sitting ducks in broad daylight rolling down Highway 1, but they played us and "US Public Opinion" like a fiddle....but I digress....) BUt in 1976 I started College, majoring in History. In one of my classes, I remember a discussion about "allegations" of KGB funding and direct involvement to "cause dissent" in many of our problems of the 60s and 70s...and there has been speculation since....even wondering if the still sealed records about Rev. Martin Luther King and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference contain any records that might prove it, and the almost accepted fact that the Weathermen and the SDS were infiltrated. It was also established that the KGB funneled it's money to dissident groups in the US and the West through the Bank of Prague in the 60s and 70s, (which I remembered during the Clinton era, when nobody ELSE seemed too concerned as to WHY Bill Clinton also happened to travel to Prague during this same time period when he was involved with student anti-war protests.... ) This "wild hair" hit me when I was recounting the story an old Indian friend of mine that was a "warrior" at the Wounded Knee uprising during the late 60s or early 70s....that he claims he saw a LOT of other "warriors" carrying AK-47s....at a time there were VERY FEW legal AKs in the states! Since then I always accepted that if true, that was "proof" of KGB involvement in our turbulent 60s.... But, here is the thought that hit me.... In the 60s and 70s, amid all the unrest, and the supposedly "wildly" unpopular war, what did we have as facts of life? A Liberal, Biased national media? A "hated" Republican President? A Democratic Party tilting WILDLY to the left embracing ALL the "radical movements du jour," doing ANYTHING to regain the White House? Virtually "Anti-War," "Anti-Military", "US is wrong to get involved in a'civil war,'" Hollywood Stars flirting with Treason, spouting wild Anti-US statements? We have ALL of that TODAY too....in some cases WORSE than then.... But back THEN we had tens, maybe HUNDREDS of thousands of people protesting the war almost daily, "Sit-ins" on every college campus, the National Guard called out all over, deaths even, the mall in DC a big "love fest" and drug party. clogged from end to end with protesters and Hippies with "free-love" and drugs.......BESIDES the riots in a lot of cities..... But TODAY, when we have an "Anti-War" protest, they manage to get together about 42 people, 10 of them 1960s drug-addled Hippies, 20 or so Move-On-Dot-Org Wackos, and the rest Democratic Presidential candidates trying to get face-time on TV....or a wack job in a ditch in Crawford.... Here's my Eureka Moment..... Could this PROVE that just MAYBE the Politburo and the KGB had a greater influence on US internal affairs back then than we even SUSPECT???? I'm thinking it just MAY.....What do you think? __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living. --> Last edited by polishshooter; 05-01-2007 at 11:23 PM..