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fleshknott · 12-14-2007, 03:57 AM

The rarest of all is the STG-45 ... most likely in the high 5 digits to 6 digit figures. If you are able to find one for sale that is ... even than, I would be very cautious. Actually, don't ever expect to find one on the market. Besides, your only pay'n more for the stamp, it's no different in design from the 44. Guess it is up to the collectors standards.

quick history of the STG

The original weapon is the STG-45, which was introduced on the eastern front. The weapon was produced against Hitlers will -- he had given the thumbs down on the weapon based on appearance. I believe he used the word ‘ugly’ which was due to the stamped weapon design.

The generals went ahead and had the STG-45 produced anyway. Though, they had to make sure the weapon would not be seen by Hitler, thus they were sent to the eastern front. Unfortunatly due too 'private' funding, small quantities of the original were shipped. Talk about dropping a load ... it wasn’t long till Hitler took a trip to the eastern front.

While traveling along the eastern front, Hitler was conducting troop inspections. He approached a trooper in one of the formations. Hitler asked what he could do to help in their efforts. The trooper asked for more STG-45’s ... to Hitlers surprise ... he began to notice his troopers were armed with the 'ugly' rifle... rest assured, he was pissed.

Hitler glared at the generals, which I’m sure they all knew it was a matter of time till they faced a fire squad. But, lucky for them, they were able to convince Hitler of the weapons combat proven capabilities. Thus, in time, Hitler redesignated the weapon as the STG-44 and wanted to glorify the weapon for his propaganda engine -- giving it the name 'assault rifle'.

The STG had developed into the MP series and production continued well after WW2. Also, the STG's evolutionary offspring is one of the most prefered weapons of today ... the AK-47.

The bullet is from a MG42 round and the casing is from the K98 ? maybe it was K68. Anyhow, they took a standard rifle casing and chopped it in half, fitted the MG42 bullet and bamm, you now have a STG round. Which was great in mass production aspect. Germany was already geared for exsisting ammo production and the STG series was a stamped design.

Unfortunate or fortunate, guess it depends on your point of view. The weapon did not make it to the western front quick enough for a noticable difference for germany. You can dub it as another one of Hilters greatest blunders. But, we Americans are no different, the BAR was produced during WW1, but out of fear that the germans would get ahold of it and reverse engineer the design. We ended up storing the revolutionary BAR (well, for that era) while US troopers were stuck using POS french weapons. SNAFU .. political retards, ya gotta love it.

12-14-2007, 03:57 AM	#35
fleshknott Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1	Re: Sturmgewehr Mp-44 The rarest of all is the STG-45 ... most likely in the high 5 digits to 6 digit figures. If you are able to find one for sale that is ... even than, I would be very cautious. Actually, don't ever expect to find one on the market. Besides, your only pay'n more for the stamp, it's no different in design from the 44. Guess it is up to the collectors standards. quick history of the STG The original weapon is the STG-45, which was introduced on the eastern front. The weapon was produced against Hitlers will -- he had given the thumbs down on the weapon based on appearance. I believe he used the word ‘ugly’ which was due to the stamped weapon design. The generals went ahead and had the STG-45 produced anyway. Though, they had to make sure the weapon would not be seen by Hitler, thus they were sent to the eastern front. Unfortunatly due too 'private' funding, small quantities of the original were shipped. Talk about dropping a load ... it wasn’t long till Hitler took a trip to the eastern front. While traveling along the eastern front, Hitler was conducting troop inspections. He approached a trooper in one of the formations. Hitler asked what he could do to help in their efforts. The trooper asked for more STG-45’s ... to Hitlers surprise ... he began to notice his troopers were armed with the 'ugly' rifle... rest assured, he was pissed. Hitler glared at the generals, which I’m sure they all knew it was a matter of time till they faced a fire squad. But, lucky for them, they were able to convince Hitler of the weapons combat proven capabilities. Thus, in time, Hitler redesignated the weapon as the STG-44 and wanted to glorify the weapon for his propaganda engine -- giving it the name 'assault rifle'. The STG had developed into the MP series and production continued well after WW2. Also, the STG's evolutionary offspring is one of the most prefered weapons of today ... the AK-47. The bullet is from a MG42 round and the casing is from the K98 ? maybe it was K68. Anyhow, they took a standard rifle casing and chopped it in half, fitted the MG42 bullet and bamm, you now have a STG round. Which was great in mass production aspect. Germany was already geared for exsisting ammo production and the STG series was a stamped design. Unfortunate or fortunate, guess it depends on your point of view. The weapon did not make it to the western front quick enough for a noticable difference for germany. You can dub it as another one of Hilters greatest blunders. But, we Americans are no different, the BAR was produced during WW1, but out of fear that the germans would get ahold of it and reverse engineer the design. We ended up storing the revolutionary BAR (well, for that era) while US troopers were stuck using POS french weapons. SNAFU .. political retards, ya gotta love it.