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delta13soultaker · 12-18-2009, 07:36 PM

The only forces that carry AK-47's are the one's that can't afford M4's, R-4's, G-3's, FAL's etc.

The Soviets ditched the 7.62x39mm back in 1980. The M43 round has the terminal ballistics of a 9mm handgun. It sucks.

They went to 5.45x39mm and it is on par with our 5.56mm NATO.

Forget all the Vietnam M16 stories...that weapon may as well be a musket. The most lightweight, reliable, effective small arm you can get is a modern M4; it's got half a century of AR evolution behind it and going strong...we'll see if the SCAR can take that title.

Comblock and Eastern rifles are built to be exported to poor countries to arm massive forces of poorly trained uneducated conscripts who'll outnumber their foe 10-1.

Western rifles are built for small, well trained, volunteer forces that will be operating outnumbered 10-1.

It's hard to look at modern American military hardware without including Europe...a very large chunk of our weapons is inspired by, licensed by, designed by, or imported to us from Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Italy, etc etc.

The world is a small place: Israel mostly uses our M4, they licensed their Galil to South Africa as the R4 who is trying to arm with the CR-21 while exporting their R4 all over South America to serve beside and against M4's, Ak's, and FN's, and the Mexican army below our own border is armed with German G-3's, the Jamaicans carry British SA-80's.....and all of it by the way is chambered for yankee 5.56mm. Even China is switching over to 9mm NATO, which we all took from the Nazi's.

To give the AK it's do, there are 96 common rifles inspired by the 47 and 74, including Sig Sauer, Kel-Tec, FN, etc.

But never overlook this: You can't find a free country defended by an AK-74.

12-18-2009, 07:36 PM	#7
delta13soultaker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs. Posts: 2,948	Re: American vs. non-American The only forces that carry AK-47's are the one's that can't afford M4's, R-4's, G-3's, FAL's etc. The Soviets ditched the 7.62x39mm back in 1980. The M43 round has the terminal ballistics of a 9mm handgun. It sucks. They went to 5.45x39mm and it is on par with our 5.56mm NATO. Forget all the Vietnam M16 stories...that weapon may as well be a musket. The most lightweight, reliable, effective small arm you can get is a modern M4; it's got half a century of AR evolution behind it and going strong...we'll see if the SCAR can take that title. Comblock and Eastern rifles are built to be exported to poor countries to arm massive forces of poorly trained uneducated conscripts who'll outnumber their foe 10-1. Western rifles are built for small, well trained, volunteer forces that will be operating outnumbered 10-1. It's hard to look at modern American military hardware without including Europe...a very large chunk of our weapons is inspired by, licensed by, designed by, or imported to us from Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Italy, etc etc. The world is a small place: Israel mostly uses our M4, they licensed their Galil to South Africa as the R4 who is trying to arm with the CR-21 while exporting their R4 all over South America to serve beside and against M4's, Ak's, and FN's, and the Mexican army below our own border is armed with German G-3's, the Jamaicans carry British SA-80's.....and all of it by the way is chambered for yankee 5.56mm. Even China is switching over to 9mm NATO, which we all took from the Nazi's. To give the AK it's do, there are 96 common rifles inspired by the 47 and 74, including Sig Sauer, Kel-Tec, FN, etc. But never overlook this: You can't find a free country defended by an AK-74. __________________ Never say die! "A nation who forgets its defenders is soon forgotten itself." "A good shot must necessarily be a good man since the essence of good marksmanship is self-control and self-control is the essential quality of a good man." – Theodore Roosevelt