XP100 thanks good info
, the Stoeger is affordable to me thats the main attraction for under 400 I can get started, I did look at a nice used but mint OU Browning for 1,000 nice gun but too much for my pockets, the owner of the Brownibg suggested a Mossberg said there cheap and ya get what ya pay for I think that was a warning
anyway still looking but if nothing turns up in a week or two it will have to be a new Stoeger...