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KenV · 08-27-2012, 10:48 AM

Regarding the statement "The reason many people associate carbines with a pistol cartridge is because of the M1 Carbine issued to US troops during WWII "...

The .30 Carbine round (7.62 x 33) was NOT a pistol cartridge. It was a .30 caliber rimless version of the Winchester .32 self-loading rifle cartridge, designed for use in the Winchester Model 1905. Granted the round has straight walls, no shoulder, and a round nosed projectile like pistol cartridges, and Ruger built a revolver that could chamber the round, but it started out as a rifle round, not a pistol round, and few pistols were chambered for it.

In many ways the .30 Carbine was the first "assault rifle", but the round it fired was a bit anemic by modern standards. Had it chambered a decent round, it might have been the first true assault rifle. It had essentially every other characteristic of what we now call an assault rifle.

08-27-2012, 10:48 AM	#2
KenV Former Guest Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: New Braunfels, TX Posts: 29	Re: Newbie question: Carbine vs. Rifle Regarding the statement "The reason many people associate carbines with a pistol cartridge is because of the M1 Carbine issued to US troops during WWII "... The .30 Carbine round (7.62 x 33) was NOT a pistol cartridge. It was a .30 caliber rimless version of the Winchester .32 self-loading rifle cartridge, designed for use in the Winchester Model 1905. Granted the round has straight walls, no shoulder, and a round nosed projectile like pistol cartridges, and Ruger built a revolver that could chamber the round, but it started out as a rifle round, not a pistol round, and few pistols were chambered for it. In many ways the .30 Carbine was the first "assault rifle", but the round it fired was a bit anemic by modern standards. Had it chambered a decent round, it might have been the first true assault rifle. It had essentially every other characteristic of what we now call an assault rifle.