[jack404]

44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.



I am a Christian Deist , not the new age "jesus aint god" version but the fearful of organised ( made made) religion

Jesus is my Savior . (full Stop)

now else where in the bible folks came up a running to Jesus saying master , there are others teaching in your name but doing things different and in other languages etc

what was Jesus reaction?

take a leaf outta the misfitted mohamadens and try to place yourself in His shoes for that moment ( like trying to be like old mo )

what was Jesus's reaction to this ?

i think we need to see a lesson

though we may not trust in any way the organisation , the people within ,

we should never, ever judge ...

dont get me going on the catholic church , ( who had a bounty on my families faiths head for 450 years) but that dont mean catholics are bad

in fact it was average catholics who reformed the church

remember martin luther ??

God works in people not doctrines

come out to Australia in the deepest desert we got and see who is there helping the folks there , we aint sexy like africa , but we got same conditions , worse , i see three groups out there , guess which , ( salvation army is one )

by their deeds shall ye know them is a pretty good measure

its a simple truth Jesus Himself stated

and i try to use that as my measure ..

you'd be surprised the ammount of folks in those groups who agree about some of the silly things ( the funny undies) but thats a tradition more than faith aspect nowdays to most , some are dead serious about it and thats always a worry , but its the folks in it that matters and what they believe and who they accept as their personal savior

what they beleive happens afterwards .. that really matter ? you gonna say i aint Christian because i think the big bang happened and it was all part of God's plan to get us to this point in time and space?



you ask any Mormon folks this ..

i'll ask here and now

any Mormon folks care to answer that one ? who is your personal Savior ??


cheers