.223 Varmint Upper Build advice... - The Firearms Forum

polishshooter · 04-19-2012, 10:16 PM

I have been following the other thread on the Ar build, and didn't want to parasite off of it...

I like the new Rock River ATH Hybrid Tactical/Varmint rifle they just came out with, but...

... I think I am going to try to build a varmint upper for my Rock River 16" tactical I now have...Thanks to my win of a TFF drawing a few months back I have a DPMS free float tube and low profile gas block...

..so if I figure right I just need to buy a stripped upper and a barrel and gas tube and I am in business, right?

I will check out the Detroit uppers as discussed in the other thread, but am also interested in the DPMS high rise flattop I saw at Brownells, but I guess I need the most advice on barrels...

I am interested in building either a 18" or 20" stainless heavy bull or fluted tube chambered in either .223 Rem or .223 Wylde. I quess I should go for .223 Rem as it will be a varmint/Prairie dog rifle, shooting mostly match ammo or reloads, so I want the best groups, and my regular upper can handle the cheap NATO stuff since it's chambered in 5.56 NATO.

Any suggestions?

JLA · 04-20-2012, 07:52 PM

That is correct. That float tube and gas block you won came from a DPMS lo pro and the gasblock ID is .936", just about as bull as you could want in a varmint upper.

I too would go with the .223 rem dedicated upper IF, and thats a big IF, you handload. If your handloading go with the wylde and take advantage of anything thatll fit the chamber.

cpttango30 · 04-20-2012, 08:14 PM

If this is a walking varminter then I would go with a 18" bull barrel.

If this is a bench varmint rifle. As in you take it out of the car/ truck to a bench then shoot varmints from there. I would go with 24"

I like the wylde chamber because you can get good accuracy out of both 223 and 556 ammo. Plus if you go wylde then you can use it for 556 ammo is SHTF.

polishshooter · 04-20-2012, 09:34 PM

I'm thinking my 16" mid length carbine upper that came with my RR in 5.56 will probably be on it if the SHTF and I had nothing but NATO ammo for the zombies...

What barrel (make and type and twist) do you recommend...and with that tube am I limited to 20" or more or would an 18" fit the bill?

I'm seeing varmint barrels in either .223 or Wylde ranging from about $250 to $500...

Shilen has a decent SS bull in Wylde with a matched bolt 20" they claim is headspaced and "drop in" that I can get from Brownells with my discount for like $420...and I know a lot of bench resters like Shilen....

I figure with the DPMS stripped flattop upper without the forward assist or dust cover for $89 I would pretty much have a DPMS custom upper for maybe $550 plus my time, right?

Just waiting for a bipod and maybe a Nikon Nikoplex AR scope...

gdmoody · 04-20-2012, 10:10 PM

Have you looked at any of the parts directly from DPMS? I got my gas tube assembly, bolt carrier, and a few small items from them.

http://www.dpmsinc.com/

I have also bought parts from Numrich arms and (believe it or not) from the Sportsman's Guide. The stuff I got from SG was also DPMS parts

04-19-2012, 10:16 PM	#1
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,859	.223 Varmint Upper Build advice... I have been following the other thread on the Ar build, and didn't want to parasite off of it... I like the new Rock River ATH Hybrid Tactical/Varmint rifle they just came out with, but... ... I think I am going to try to build a varmint upper for my Rock River 16" tactical I now have...Thanks to my win of a TFF drawing a few months back I have a DPMS free float tube and low profile gas block... ..so if I figure right I just need to buy a stripped upper and a barrel and gas tube and I am in business, right? I will check out the Detroit uppers as discussed in the other thread, but am also interested in the DPMS high rise flattop I saw at Brownells, but I guess I need the most advice on barrels... I am interested in building either a 18" or 20" stainless heavy bull or fluted tube chambered in either .223 Rem or .223 Wylde. I quess I should go for .223 Rem as it will be a varmint/Prairie dog rifle, shooting mostly match ammo or reloads, so I want the best groups, and my regular upper can handle the cheap NATO stuff since it's chambered in 5.56 NATO. Any suggestions? __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living. -->

04-20-2012, 07:52 PM	#2
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,305	Re: .223 Varmint Upper Build advice... That is correct. That float tube and gas block you won came from a DPMS lo pro and the gasblock ID is .936", just about as bull as you could want in a varmint upper. I too would go with the .223 rem dedicated upper IF, and thats a big IF, you handload. If your handloading go with the wylde and take advantage of anything thatll fit the chamber. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

04-20-2012, 08:14 PM	#3
cpttango30 Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stafford, VA Contributor Posts: 3,071	Re: .223 Varmint Upper Build advice... If this is a walking varminter then I would go with a 18" bull barrel. If this is a bench varmint rifle. As in you take it out of the car/ truck to a bench then shoot varmints from there. I would go with 24" I like the wylde chamber because you can get good accuracy out of both 223 and 556 ammo. Plus if you go wylde then you can use it for 556 ammo is SHTF.

04-20-2012, 09:34 PM	#4
polishshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 7,859	Re: .223 Varmint Upper Build advice... I'm thinking my 16" mid length carbine upper that came with my RR in 5.56 will probably be on it if the SHTF and I had nothing but NATO ammo for the zombies... What barrel (make and type and twist) do you recommend...and with that tube am I limited to 20" or more or would an 18" fit the bill? I'm seeing varmint barrels in either .223 or Wylde ranging from about $250 to $500... Shilen has a decent SS bull in Wylde with a matched bolt 20" they claim is headspaced and "drop in" that I can get from Brownells with my discount for like $420...and I know a lot of bench resters like Shilen.... I figure with the DPMS stripped flattop upper without the forward assist or dust cover for $89 I would pretty much have a DPMS custom upper for maybe $550 plus my time, right? Just waiting for a bipod and maybe a Nikon Nikoplex AR scope... __________________ The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living. Last edited by polishshooter; 04-20-2012 at 10:01 PM..

04-20-2012, 10:10 PM	#5
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,308	Re: .223 Varmint Upper Build advice... Have you looked at any of the parts directly from DPMS? I got my gas tube assembly, bolt carrier, and a few small items from them. http://www.dpmsinc.com/ I have also bought parts from Numrich arms and (believe it or not) from the Sportsman's Guide. The stuff I got from SG was also DPMS parts __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)