HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE - The Firearms Forum

Tieken · 11-09-2012, 03:05 PM

Hello everyone. I am brand new to this forum and am looking for some guidance. I am going to purchase a .45 cal and was initially tossing around the idea of hk, glock, sig 220 ect....Then I went to a small gun store and came across a salesman who told me that although those are nice firearms, he is a 1911 fanatic. We spent quite a bit of time talking and he has pretty redirected my focus on the 1911's. Looking for something as a home defense as well as going to the range for fun. I'm far from a rich man but I do believe in investing more up front in a purchase so I don't turn around and want to "upgrade" to something better in about 6 months. I guess what I hoping you all might be able to help me with is a couple of things: 1) Is the 1911 the best way to go for an all around firearm? (I kinda assume so and that's why I'm posting here). 2) Id really some assistance on selection. I have done some internet searching and have found some amazing guns (most of which are probably out of my reach) but I tossing around a couple and here is the short list...if you will. Kimber, Sig Sauer, Springfield armory loaded, or a para ordnance, but am willing to consider others that I may have overlooked. Id like to purchase a very reliable handgun that I can "grow" into and quality if of great importance to me. Thanks in advance for any help or information you may be able to share with me.

aa1911 · 11-09-2012, 03:13 PM

Springfield Armory is my favorite flavor but many are getting very good with quality. If you get a Loaded or TRP especially, you won't ever look back, they're cadillacs.

and you have opened the worm can, brace yourself for lots of other opinions!

jack404 · 11-09-2012, 03:14 PM

Tieken, Welcome to the forum

i'm in Australia and working on getting all our guns back ( most of them back so far ) but looking forward to the day when i can have my .45 1911's back

i have a great .40 , but certainly miss my 1911's

BlackEagle · 11-09-2012, 03:35 PM

And welcome to the forum from the UK, Tieken.

I'm from the UK, and like Jack, we've had our hand guns taken away by the liberal PC brigade. The only semi-auto rifles we can have are .22, and if Scotland they are talking about even more stringent laws...restricting us to three guns. Do everything you can to keep it from happening in the US.

As aa1911 says, there is lots of strong opinion on which way to go. If you scan the threads you'll find several full and energetic discussions. But one thing you will notice, even though the opinions are strong, everyone remains friends. No flaming here.

I would suggest that if you can, go to a range and try out several different guns, to see which fits you best. An expensive, top of the range gun may have all the best features, but if it doesn't fit you, you won't enjoy it, and won't use it. Take your time and find for yourself what works for you.

Others will weigh in about calibers and 1911 vs Glock vs other. Enjoy the discussion.

And again, welcome to the forum.

Airdale · 11-09-2012, 04:01 PM

Couple you might want to consider:

Remington R1

Review: http://www.gunblast.com/Remington-R1.htm

Ruger SR 1911

Review: http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SR1911.htm

Enjoy your search and welcome to the forum.

Insulation Tim · 11-09-2012, 04:49 PM

I have at least a half dozen of 1911's, maybe more. Though I love my Kimbers, I see the Ruger 1911SR as very comparable, and when i got mine, it was less expensive.

01brian · 11-09-2012, 04:51 PM

Welcome to the Forum!

WHSmithIV · 11-09-2012, 05:06 PM

Keep in mind price - you can look at anything from 300 - thousands for a 1911. I recommend you figure your budget for what you can afford then find one in that price range. My 1911 is a Citadel (Rock Island Armory) pistol. It has never even had a fail to fire with the 500 rounds that have been through it. I didn't get mine new - I traded an SKS rifle for it. RIA, Citadel (which is also RIA) and American Tactical are out of the Philippines and as near as I can tell ALL standard 1911 parts fit them. You can get these for ~400 or a little less new (I see an American Tactical at Buds Gun Shop on-line at 389.00). The bottom line - if you have 400-500 to spend on one you won't regret it and there are a number of new ones out there in that price range.

GunnyGene · 11-09-2012, 05:44 PM

"Reliable" is a somewhat fuzzy term, since it's dependent on many external factors. The original 1911's and the 1911A1's were designed to be reliable after a mud bath. Specifically the tolerances were loose enough to allow the gun to function when full of mud, sand, whatever. They rattled if you shook them and they were built like tanks.

The modern takeoff's on those early guns usually have much tighter tolerances, sometimes will have slide cracking issues, and other problems because of modern machining methods (stress risers from sharp corners, etc. ) and therefore would not be considered reliable by a Marine or soldier because of that. Colt recently found out about that in the new 1911's they sold to the Marine Corps recently.

So you need to refine what you mean regarding reliability.

Jim K · 11-09-2012, 07:54 PM

At the risk of incurring the wrath of 1911 fans, I don't think a 1911 is the best choice for someone who sounds like a relative newbie.

Maybe I am wrong about Tieken's level of experience, but for a defense auto pistol I think a less experienced person would be better with a pistol having a DA capability. For most of us, bringing up a 1911 and releasing the safety is as natural as breathing, but for many folks a DA trigger pull will be easier and more natural; the 1911 gives us options in regard to safe carry and storage, but options can often simply confuse the less experienced.

Jim

Old Guy · 11-09-2012, 08:29 PM

If you are intent on a 1911 I would get the SR 1911 from Ruger. Very good quality in an affordable package. If you like the platform, then save for several more expensive options.

WHSmithIV · 11-10-2012, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim K

At the risk of incurring the wrath of 1911 fans, I don't think a 1911 is the best choice for someone who sounds like a relative newbie.

Maybe I am wrong about Tieken's level of experience, but for a defense auto pistol I think a less experienced person would be better with a pistol having a DA capability. For most of us, bringing up a 1911 and releasing the safety is as natural as breathing, but for many folks a DA trigger pull will be easier and more natural; the 1911 gives us options in regard to safe carry and storage, but options can often simply confuse the less experienced.

Jim

Jim is actually right with this. Many of us guys were trained in the military with the 1911 so we don't even really think about it. I was trained in the Navy with it - stood petty officer of the watch with it on the quarterdeck of ships. The 1911 to me is like an extension of my hand.

qwiksdraw · 11-10-2012, 10:19 AM

My first handgun was a 1911 45cal, which I have had for less than a year. It wasn't hard to learn the gun at all, I did my fair share of reading and asking questions.

The only real danger is since then I have purchased two 1911's in 22 cal. one in 9MM and another 45.

I have not had any problems with these guns, especially due to operator error. You are on the right track by asking questions and learning. When you get yours, you will be ready.

hogger129 · 11-10-2012, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tieken

Hello everyone. I am brand new to this forum and am looking for some guidance. I am going to purchase a .45 cal and was initially tossing around the idea of hk, glock, sig 220 ect....Then I went to a small gun store and came across a salesman who told me that although those are nice firearms, he is a 1911 fanatic. We spent quite a bit of time talking and he has pretty redirected my focus on the 1911's. Looking for something as a home defense as well as going to the range for fun. I'm far from a rich man but I do believe in investing more up front in a purchase so I don't turn around and want to "upgrade" to something better in about 6 months. I guess what I hoping you all might be able to help me with is a couple of things: 1) Is the 1911 the best way to go for an all around firearm? (I kinda assume so and that's why I'm posting here). 2) Id really some assistance on selection. I have done some internet searching and have found some amazing guns (most of which are probably out of my reach) but I tossing around a couple and here is the short list...if you will. Kimber, Sig Sauer, Springfield armory loaded, or a para ordnance, but am willing to consider others that I may have overlooked. Id like to purchase a very reliable handgun that I can "grow" into and quality if of great importance to me. Thanks in advance for any help or information you may be able to share with me.

1) The 1911 is a good all around firearm. The case could be made that they're on the heavy side, but I don't think it's too much an issue as long as you have a good holster and a strong belt.

2) I own a Springfield Armory Loaded with some stuff done to it. I really like the gun and it's been perfectly reliable. I had a Rock Island Armory GI .45 before this Springfield and the RIA's are pretty good too, they're just made from investment cast instead of forged steel. Mine ran fine. I only paid $500 new for it too.

With regard to Jim's post, yeah, the single-action operation and thumb safety might not be favorable to a beginner. Not sure what your level of experience is. I think it's something that can be easily overcome with a little practice & training though.

If you're worried about which brands, I would stick to something with a good reputation for quality control like Colt, Smith & Wesson, Springfield Armory, Ruger. I know people who have owned a few 1911s made by those companies so I can speak to their quality. I would definitely ask some of the more experienced 1911 people to chime in about which brands are good.

As far as the Springfield Armory Loaded, yes it's a great 1911 and you get a lot of the premium features for a good price. I paid $850 new for mine. The Mil-Spec is practically the same gun without the extras for about $200 less. If you ask me, I think the only extras that really make a lot of difference between the two are the Novak low-profile combat sights and the beavertail grip safety (which the Loaded comes with).

Maine04657 · 11-10-2012, 02:38 PM

Shoot as many as you can get the feel of as many as you can and pick the one that fits you the best and you like.

crockett007 · 11-10-2012, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim K

At the risk of incurring the wrath of 1911 fans, I don't think a 1911 is the best choice for someone who sounds like a relative newbie.

Maybe I am wrong about Tieken's level of experience, but for a defense auto pistol I think a less experienced person would be better with a pistol having a DA capability. For most of us, bringing up a 1911 and releasing the safety is as natural as breathing, but for many folks a DA trigger pull will be easier and more natural; the 1911 gives us options in regard to safe carry and storage, but options can often simply confuse the less experienced.

Jim

I think this is the best advice for the OP. The 1911 platform is not the best for a rookie. It pains me to say it, since I am a 1911 guy,but this is smart advice from Jim. i agree, get a plasti-gun double cocking crunchenticker, then graduate to the next level.

Maine04657 · 11-10-2012, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett007

I think this is the best advice for the OP. The 1911 platform is not the best for a rookie. It pains me to say it, since I am a 1911 guy,but this is smart advice from Jim. i agree, get a plasti-gun double cocking crunchenticker, then graduate to the next level.

I lean the other way on this. The 1911 is fine for a first weapon as long as one is willing to learn the weapon and train to use it. This way you know how to how to use have trained to use it and then the glocks and such will come easy as pie. My grandfather started me on his 1911 when I was around 12. I can work a 1911 in my sleep behind my back with one hand. For me it is all on the brain I do not even think I just do. When I tech others I have to become very aware of what I am doing to be able to tell them. The 1911 is not hard it simply requires the correct education.

hogger129 · 11-10-2012, 09:58 PM

Make sure you find magazines that work well in it too. I would use Metalform.

Clipper · 11-10-2012, 10:02 PM

As a dedicated 1911 owner, I wish I had kept my Sig P220! It was a great gun, and is soon to be replaced. I particularly like the DA/SA platform, and the takedown is much simpler than the 1911. If you can afford the p220, get it! Later, move sideways to the 1911 either Commander size or GI.

pickenup · 11-10-2012, 11:16 PM

Welcome to The Firearms Forum.
Which gun is best is only an.....opinion.
LOTS of platforms and options out there.
Get what fits......YOU.

hogger129 · 11-11-2012, 09:12 AM

If you want a .45, you should also look at the CZ-97.

Dog Soldier · 11-11-2012, 11:04 AM

Millions of young Americans were introduced to handguns in the military. That pistol was the Colt 1911 .45 ACP. Buy a 1911 and learn to use it.

RunningOnMT · 11-11-2012, 12:00 PM

Colt, S&W, Springfield Armory, Ruger, Remington, and even RIA (though they don't come with some of the bells and whistles the others do), you can't go wrong with any of these IMHO.

If you decide you absolutely positively must have a plastic frame gun, my choice is the S&W M&P. I hate Glocks and didn't care for the SA XD40 I owned. The M&P felt real good in my hand and was accurate. You can get one with night sights for about the same price as an entry level 1911. Still, I traded mine in on a 1911. A 100 year old design that hasn't been beat yet.

Welcome to TFF. Stick around, we're habit forming.

Hawg · 11-11-2012, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

Colt, S&W, Springfield Armory, Ruger, Remington, and even RIA (though they don't come with some of the bells and whistles the others do),

Ummm whacha mean RIA doesn't come with bells and whistles. The tactical version does anyway.

Ambi safety
Full length guide rod
Novak styled sights
Polished feed ramp.
Throated barrel
Beavertail safety
Beveled mag well
Lowered ejection port

I changed the grips and the bumper mag for a flush fit mag.

Boogieman · 11-11-2012, 10:15 PM

I have 2 Colts a1991a1 &a O.M. one of them is ALWAYS with me. Yes they require a little more care in handling than the DA wonders But if someone can't learn to handle a SA auto I don't believe they would be safe with anything that shoots. Buy what you like & learn to use it . Wherever you live there is someone close who shoots a 1911 & most are ready to help you learn. Wilson Combat & others have training DVDs for sale & some free on the web If you buy what you like You'll shoot it more making you safer& a better shot. Win Win.

11-09-2012, 03:05 PM	#1
Tieken Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1	HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE Hello everyone. I am brand new to this forum and am looking for some guidance. I am going to purchase a .45 cal and was initially tossing around the idea of hk, glock, sig 220 ect....Then I went to a small gun store and came across a salesman who told me that although those are nice firearms, he is a 1911 fanatic. We spent quite a bit of time talking and he has pretty redirected my focus on the 1911's. Looking for something as a home defense as well as going to the range for fun. I'm far from a rich man but I do believe in investing more up front in a purchase so I don't turn around and want to "upgrade" to something better in about 6 months. I guess what I hoping you all might be able to help me with is a couple of things: 1) Is the 1911 the best way to go for an all around firearm? (I kinda assume so and that's why I'm posting here). 2) Id really some assistance on selection. I have done some internet searching and have found some amazing guns (most of which are probably out of my reach) but I tossing around a couple and here is the short list...if you will. Kimber, Sig Sauer, Springfield armory loaded, or a para ordnance, but am willing to consider others that I may have overlooked. Id like to purchase a very reliable handgun that I can "grow" into and quality if of great importance to me. Thanks in advance for any help or information you may be able to share with me. -->

11-09-2012, 03:13 PM	#2
aa1911 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,115	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE Springfield Armory is my favorite flavor but many are getting very good with quality. If you get a Loaded or TRP especially, you won't ever look back, they're cadillacs. and you have opened the worm can, brace yourself for lots of other opinions! __________________ "Loud noises don't end gunfights.... well placed shots do."

11-09-2012, 03:14 PM	#3
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE Tieken, Welcome to the forum i'm in Australia and working on getting all our guns back ( most of them back so far ) but looking forward to the day when i can have my .45 1911's back i have a great .40 , but certainly miss my 1911's

11-09-2012, 03:35 PM	#4
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,172	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE And welcome to the forum from the UK, Tieken. I'm from the UK, and like Jack, we've had our hand guns taken away by the liberal PC brigade. The only semi-auto rifles we can have are .22, and if Scotland they are talking about even more stringent laws...restricting us to three guns. Do everything you can to keep it from happening in the US. As aa1911 says, there is lots of strong opinion on which way to go. If you scan the threads you'll find several full and energetic discussions. But one thing you will notice, even though the opinions are strong, everyone remains friends. No flaming here. I would suggest that if you can, go to a range and try out several different guns, to see which fits you best. An expensive, top of the range gun may have all the best features, but if it doesn't fit you, you won't enjoy it, and won't use it. Take your time and find for yourself what works for you. Others will weigh in about calibers and 1911 vs Glock vs other. Enjoy the discussion. And again, welcome to the forum.

11-09-2012, 04:01 PM	#5
Airdale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: N.W. Arkansas Contributor Posts: 754	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE Couple you might want to consider: Remington R1 Review: http://www.gunblast.com/Remington-R1.htm Ruger SR 1911 Review: http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SR1911.htm Enjoy your search and welcome to the forum. __________________ "The Utopian schemes of leveling [redistribution of the wealth] and a community of goods [central ownership of the means of production and distribution], are as visionary and impractical as those which vest all property in the crown.[These ideas] are arbitrary, despotic, and, in our government, unconstitutional." Samuel Adams

11-09-2012, 04:49 PM	#6
Insulation Tim Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Ohio Contributor Posts: 2,300	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE I have at least a half dozen of 1911's, maybe more. Though I love my Kimbers, I see the Ruger 1911SR as very comparable, and when i got mine, it was less expensive. __________________ Tim *"Remember the Ark was built by amateurs....Professionals built the Titanic"*

11-09-2012, 04:51 PM	#7
01brian V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 331	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE Welcome to the Forum!

11-09-2012, 05:06 PM	#8
WHSmithIV Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Moore, Idaho contributor Posts: 2,634	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE Keep in mind price - you can look at anything from 300 - thousands for a 1911. I recommend you figure your budget for what you can afford then find one in that price range. My 1911 is a Citadel (Rock Island Armory) pistol. It has never even had a fail to fire with the 500 rounds that have been through it. I didn't get mine new - I traded an SKS rifle for it. RIA, Citadel (which is also RIA) and American Tactical are out of the Philippines and as near as I can tell ALL standard 1911 parts fit them. You can get these for ~400 or a little less new (I see an American Tactical at Buds Gun Shop on-line at 389.00). The bottom line - if you have 400-500 to spend on one you won't regret it and there are a number of new ones out there in that price range.

11-09-2012, 05:44 PM	#9
GunnyGene Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,962	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE "Reliable" is a somewhat fuzzy term, since it's dependent on many external factors. The original 1911's and the 1911A1's were designed to be reliable after a mud bath. Specifically the tolerances were loose enough to allow the gun to function when full of mud, sand, whatever. They rattled if you shook them and they were built like tanks. The modern takeoff's on those early guns usually have much tighter tolerances, sometimes will have slide cracking issues, and other problems because of modern machining methods (stress risers from sharp corners, etc. ) and therefore would not be considered reliable by a Marine or soldier because of that. Colt recently found out about that in the new 1911's they sold to the Marine Corps recently. So you need to refine what you mean regarding reliability.

11-09-2012, 07:54 PM	#10
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE At the risk of incurring the wrath of 1911 fans, I don't think a 1911 is the best choice for someone who sounds like a relative newbie. Maybe I am wrong about Tieken's level of experience, but for a defense auto pistol I think a less experienced person would be better with a pistol having a DA capability. For most of us, bringing up a 1911 and releasing the safety is as natural as breathing, but for many folks a DA trigger pull will be easier and more natural; the 1911 gives us options in regard to safe carry and storage, but options can often simply confuse the less experienced. Jim

11-09-2012, 08:29 PM	#11
Old Guy V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Beaufort County, NC Contributor Posts: 343	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE If you are intent on a 1911 I would get the SR 1911 from Ruger. Very good quality in an affordable package. If you like the platform, then save for several more expensive options. __________________ Old Guy ___________ NRA Life Member GOA Life Member

11-10-2012, 10:19 AM	#13
qwiksdraw Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 48	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE My first handgun was a 1911 45cal, which I have had for less than a year. It wasn't hard to learn the gun at all, I did my fair share of reading and asking questions. The only real danger is since then I have purchased two 1911's in 22 cal. one in 9MM and another 45. I have not had any problems with these guns, especially due to operator error. You are on the right track by asking questions and learning. When you get yours, you will be ready.

11-10-2012, 02:38 PM	#15
Maine04657 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Maine Posts: 329	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE Shoot as many as you can get the feel of as many as you can and pick the one that fits you the best and you like. Last edited by Maine04657; 11-10-2012 at 09:14 PM..

11-10-2012, 09:58 PM	#18
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,067	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE Make sure you find magazines that work well in it too. I would use Metalform. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."

11-10-2012, 10:02 PM	#19
Clipper V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Amarillo, TX Posts: 382	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE As a dedicated 1911 owner, I wish I had kept my Sig P220! It was a great gun, and is soon to be replaced. I particularly like the DA/SA platform, and the takedown is much simpler than the 1911. If you can afford the p220, get it! Later, move sideways to the 1911 either Commander size or GI.

11-10-2012, 11:16 PM	#20
pickenup Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains Posts: 6,838	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE Welcome to The Firearms Forum. Which gun is best is only an.....opinion. LOTS of platforms and options out there. Get what fits......YOU. __________________ The gene pool needs chlorine

11-11-2012, 09:12 AM	#21
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,067	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE If you want a .45, you should also look at the CZ-97. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."

11-11-2012, 11:04 AM	#22
Dog Soldier V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Great Desert Posts: 154	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE Millions of young Americans were introduced to handguns in the military. That pistol was the Colt 1911 .45 ACP. Buy a 1911 and learn to use it.

11-11-2012, 12:00 PM	#23
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE Colt, S&W, Springfield Armory, Ruger, Remington, and even RIA (though they don't come with some of the bells and whistles the others do), you can't go wrong with any of these IMHO. If you decide you absolutely positively must have a plastic frame gun, my choice is the S&W M&P. I hate Glocks and didn't care for the SA XD40 I owned. The M&P felt real good in my hand and was accurate. You can get one with night sights for about the same price as an entry level 1911. Still, I traded mine in on a 1911. A 100 year old design that hasn't been beat yet. Welcome to TFF. Stick around, we're habit forming. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

11-11-2012, 10:15 PM	#25
Boogieman Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 28	Re: HELP/ADVICE AND INPUT...PLEASE I have 2 Colts a1991a1 &a O.M. one of them is ALWAYS with me. Yes they require a little more care in handling than the DA wonders But if someone can't learn to handle a SA auto I don't believe they would be safe with anything that shoots. Buy what you like & learn to use it . Wherever you live there is someone close who shoots a 1911 & most are ready to help you learn. Wilson Combat & others have training DVDs for sale & some free on the web If you buy what you like You'll shoot it more making you safer& a better shot. Win Win.