S&W 41: What it likes to eat

[waizen]

I've noticed that my Smith & Wesson Model 41 is somewhat picky as to the ammo it likes. I tried some Federal ammo (I forgot which one exactly but I know it was lead) that I got on sale at WalMart. That crap missfired most every round...no exageration.

Then, I tried CCI Minimag, copper plated, and it was fine.

I tried that same earlier crap in my Remington 597 plinker rifle and it worked great.

Okay, so my S&W 41 is a bit more precision-built than the 597, with closer tolerances; I can understand that.

My question is, do any of you S&W 41 owners out there have a favorite round for your '41? What have you found that works the best for that gun for you? I'm sure different rounds have a profound difference in that gun, as opposed to many other 22 cal longrifle guns. I'm especially interested in accuracy, since I do target shooting with my '41.

Thanks.

Thanks.

[stash247]

Originally Posted by waizen

I've noticed that my Smith & Wesson Model 41 is somewhat picky as to the ammo it likes. I tried some Federal ammo (I forgot which one exactly but I know it was lead) that I got on sale at WalMart. That crap missfired most every round...no exageration.

Then, I tried CCI Minimag, copper plated, and it was fine.

I tried that same earlier crap in my Remington 597 plinker rifle and it worked great.

Okay, so my S&W 41 is a bit more precision-built than the 597, with closer tolerances; I can understand that.

My question is, do any of you S&W 41 owners out there have a favorite round for your '41? What have you found that works the best for that gun for you? I'm sure different rounds have a profound difference in that gun, as opposed to many other 22 cal longrifle guns. I'm especially interested in accuracy, since I do target shooting with my '41.

Thanks.

Thanks.

[stash247]

in good hands, your 41 will outshoot the rifle, with any ammo, almost, and at any range!
Try Eley pistol Match, or Federal 900-B, or anything else with a 1030 FPS, or, hopefully, a bit less MV.
I'll bet you get excited!

[Tom]

I have 2 barrels for my M41, a 5 1/2" HB and a 5" light one that I greatly prefer. Both barrels are very accurate and reliable with anything I try. I like the inexpensive Federal Match stuff. Some of the match/standard speed stuff is too light to function the heavy slide of the 41. That stuff functions in my Ruger MK II Competition, though.

[Mark]

Waizen,
You do need to run premium ammo in your 41. I don't know how to explain this other than to describe "promotional" ammo.
CCI Blazer, Winchester Wildcat, Remington Thunderbolt, etc., etc., are examples of promotional ammo. The issues with this type of ammo are among other things, the thinness of the casing. Rounds get kind of a rough ride in a semi auto, and coupled with the match tolerances of your 41, just don't feed reliably. It seems a shame you have to pay a premium for the part of the cartridge that gets swept up, but in a 41, you do.

Once you find a premium cartridge you 41 likes, expect to be amazed. By premium, I don't mean the .22's that sell for 25 cents a shot, but good quality ammo. Don't get frustrated here, just remember the fun is finding out.
Mark

[45Smashemflat]

Food for thought - try the Wolf match ammo as well. I don't have a 41, but my other 22's really like it. (Kimber, Ruger, Marlin, etc)

[waizen]

Originally Posted by Mark

Waizen,
You do need to run premium ammo in your 41. I don't know how to explain this other than to describe "promotional" ammo.
CCI Blazer, Winchester Wildcat, Remington Thunderbolt, etc., etc., are examples of promotional ammo. The issues with this type of ammo are among other things, the thinness of the casing. Rounds get kind of a rough ride in a semi auto, and coupled with the match tolerances of your 41, just don't feed reliably. It seems a shame you have to pay a premium for the part of the cartridge that gets swept up, but in a 41, you do.

Once you find a premium cartridge you 41 likes, expect to be amazed. By premium, I don't mean the .22's that sell for 25 cents a shot, but good quality ammo. Don't get frustrated here, just remember the fun is finding out.
Mark

Thank you to everyone who responded. All great insights.

You're right, Mark. Much of the fun is in the finding out and that is where I am at with this sport--trying to find out how to get the most out of my shooting. I know, practice, practice, practice is the most important element. But, besides that, fine-tuning your tools is part of it, too.

I want to keep my '41 as stock as possible and besides keeping it in great shape, the only thing I can think of to improve on it is the choice of ammo. Never mind my originally mentioned issue with jamming, the thought occured to me about the ultimage round for this particular brand and model of gun.

So, out of all the good quality rounds out there, is there one in particular that stands out as being a favorite of the '41? No doubt I'm nit-picking here, but I was just wondering.

Originally Posted by Tom

...Some of the match/standard speed stuff is too light to function the heavy slide of the 41. That stuff functions in my Ruger MK II Competition, though.

You know, Tom, you just said something interesting here: the issue of a light-weight casing. I didn't even think of that. Of course, it could have been the fact that the original crap that was giving me the trouble was lead. Since I switched to copper, no more jams. But, maybe a combination of factors.

Anyway, I've jotted down all your suggestions of ammo and will be getting a sampling of each of them for testing.

Anyway, thanks to all who responded

[Tom]

Originally Posted by waizen

You know, Tom, you just said something interesting here: the issue of a light-weight casing. I didn't even think of that. Of course, it could have been the fact that the original crap that was giving me the trouble was lead. Since I switched to copper, no more jams. But, maybe a combination of factors.

I wasn't referring to the casing, but the power of the load itself. Some ammo is loaded for revolvers and bolt guns. If the impulse generated by the recoil is light in a fixed breach gun, no big deal. But stuff like the Russian target ammo, and some RWS standard speed hollow points, that are beautifully accurate in my CZ-452 bolt gun, won't cycle the M41. Ammo loaded for semi-auto target guns is loaded a little hotter to ensure proper function.

I weighed the reciprocating mass of a S&W 41 and Ruger MK II. The Ruger bolt was 1.5 oz. lighter. That means that it will function with lower impulse ammo than will the M41. Some ammo I tried wouldn't cycle the 41 but worked (barely) in the MK II.

Most of the plated bullet ammo I see is high speed stuff. That is loaded to a significantly higher impulse than standard speed stuff. It should cycle your 41 with minimal problem.

If it keeps giving problems cycling, call the factory. It may need to go back for a little work. When I got mine, it gave me problems. I didn't send it back; I just smoothed things at the interfaces. It now works fine with anything with a little impulse. I could play with the recoil spring, but then it would beat itself excessively with high speed stuff.

[stash247]

Originally Posted by Tom

I wasn't referring to the casing, but the power of the load itself. Some ammo is loaded for revolvers and bolt guns. If the impulse generated by the recoil is light in a fixed breach gun, no big deal. But stuff like the Russian target ammo, and some RWS standard speed hollow points, that are beautifully accurate in my CZ-452 bolt gun, won't cycle the M41. Ammo loaded for semi-auto target guns is loaded a little hotter to ensure proper function.



. It now works fine with anything with a little impulse. I could play with the recoil spring, but then it would beat itself excessively with high speed stuff.

You're looking for 290-310 MPS ammo; if the 41 won't run on this, the gun's broke; lubricate it, or fix it!
Tom, as an aside, WTF would you run high speed ammo, in a target pistol?
It's neither accurate, nor prudent, and will darned sure beat the gun up, as you stated!
Copper, vs lead, same answer; if you are having problems with unplated bullets, that plating 'resolves', fix the gun!
I shoot a couple of Win 52's, a couple of Hi-Standards, and a Stevens 44 1/2, all of which see no more than an occasional 'dry patch', through a season; all deliver results beyond my ability.
If the plated vs unplated thing is truly a firearm, rather than shooter,issue, you need a barrel, not a change in ammo!

[Gunny45]

I tried many, many different types of ammo when I got my 41 and found that it really likes the Federal Gold Match, but I feel GM is expensive for .22 ammo.
I shoot a .22 for two reasons: it is cheap and it is fun.
So I set out to find an ammo that had the same formula as the Gold Match. I found that Federal Target, 40 gr solid bullet is almost exactly the same. This is the Federal part 714 target ammo (it will say 714 on the lower right hand corner of the box flap). There is one other Federal target formula that I know of but it doesn't work like the 714 does. And the 714 is less expensive than the Gold Match. I get mine from Ammoman.com where UPS shipping is free. Good luck.

[vietnam1947]

I am glade I found this site, I just bought a S & W 41 and a box of Remington 22 Golden Bullet LR 36gr vol 1280fps, it had a lot of fail to Eject, and misfires, or stove pipes. I then gave up and bought some WWinchester Western 22LR 36gr HP Vol 1220fps, oh ya I got Misfires, Stove pipes, and Failure to eject. I will now go and get some of the suggested above and some others to test, I will clean pistol between each test so to have a true value of the ammo. I know that each pistol likes its own brand to shoot well and fire better groups. Thanks for the fourm, Fred

[vietnam1947]

I called S & W this morning and talk to the range master and he told me they only use CCI Mini Mag and Federal Champion on the range, he told me that the cheap ammo just does not cycle the S & W mdl 41 and they do have alot of duds, SO I WENT TO THE RANGE WITH CCI PISTOL MATCH L,RN, AND SHOOT A 7/8 INCH GROUN 5 RDS 5 TIMES AT TARGET. I am happy with that load, also tried CCI Stinger 1640 fps and they only held a 1 3/8 group shooting 5 rds 5 targets, ok but will try to find some Federal champion ammo. Folks thanks for all the info you put out will try do do the damy, Fred PS: I am shooting 25 yards with Bushnell Throphy Red/Green Dot

[300 H&H]

41 Smith's will shoot the ammo as good as it can be shot. Cann't think of a better rig to sort out ammo with. I have the 5 1/2" Heavy and a 7 1/2". The long tube wears a Gillmore red dot, the shorter one the stock open sights. In the 25 years I have been shooting it, has never set me down. If I had to sell all but one of my hand guns it's the one I would keep. Mine really likes Eley pistol match, but only rarely doees it get it! Wolf match target rifle ammo works well too and is somewhat cheaper. Had some trouble with the 7 1/2 as it was able to touch the top strap under the rear sight against the top of the bolt. Caused it to stovepipe untill I discovered the problem. Great handguns! Best reguards Kirk

[stash247]

Kirk, if I need to test ammo, the High Standards,or the Smith, are the rule; if it won't shoot there, it just won't shoot!
Funny, my old bitch, Brandy, gets the same respect; she is as sweet as honey, to me, but sometimes simply cannot get along with a 'newbie'; wanna guess how this story ends?

[bobkk]

My A prefix Sn. Shoots CCI standard velocity good. Wolf match target won't extract from it. PMC st. vel shoot good but can't find it. Midsouth has CCI st. vel for about six dollars for a 100 box. Win Dyna Points are good for cheaper ammo.

[S&W in .38]

Anyone ever tried Sellier & Bellot rimfire ammo.? I tend to shoot these through my Mod. 617 with good results.

[Renee]

I know these are older posts on Model 41 ammo.
I have read that only target ammo should be used & the 41 was made with the Remington Target ammo in the Light Blue & Green Box??.
I shoot my High Standard with the Remington Standard ammo. After shooting their are ZERO powder particles left in the barrel. It shoots very clean.
I have a Model 41 coming, I thought today, but I called FED-X & it will be tomorrow.
I'll try my Remington & have other stuff on hand. I want to shoot Standard Velocity only.

[Renee]

Finally got my new-to-me model 41.
I took it out for a test drive.
I was surprised how well it shoots. Very smooth trigger & Action, Very tight Fit.
I was also surprised how bad the newer Remington Standard Velocity did that I was so High On. I shout four boxes of the newer stuff & had about 25 F.T.F. The older Remington Ammo I used before, about 20 years older was flawless. This newer stuff is hit or miss.
Next was the Golden Eagle Match, one F.T.F. Next was the CCI. Standard Velocity, Zero F.T.F. & the most accurate.
I had a couple of Stove Pipes with the Remington. Everything else worked as it should.
My $.02
R.

[Old Grump]

Designed for standard velocity but will handle high velocity if you don't make a habit of it. Big thing is the tight chamber will foul quicker with lubed lead bullets so I stay with brass plated ammo. I do not buy bulk Golden Bullet but the boxes of 100 and it seems to work fine. I have a lot of varieties but this is my main ammo for this gun. I can shoot a lot of this before I have to clean the gun but 50 rounds of lead ammo means a stop to shooting till I get a bore brush in it and get the chamber clean again.

[GaryO]

CCI Standard Velocity was tops in mine...

[jaydub]

Eley

[Tom]

Originally Posted by GaryO

CCI Standard Velocity was tops in mine...

More recently I have been using CCI Standard Velocity. It shoots very well and has a little more impulse and cycles fine. I also occasionally shoot Green Tag, but it is more expensive.