Question regarding WW2 assault rifle - The Firearms Forum

TomsMustangGT · 05-21-2009, 01:41 PM

When did Germany introduce it, or was it too late in the war for mass dispersal?

Pistolenschutze · 05-21-2009, 01:56 PM

The Germans introduced the Sturmgewehr 44 (7.92 x 33 Kurz caliber) in the latter part of WWII, Tom. It was based on the previously developed Maschinenpistole MP 43. Hitler initially opposed the development of the rifle, but the military continued development of it secretly. It is considered the precursor to all other assault rifles and heavily influenced the development of the later Russian AK47. Like so many excellent German weapons designs, it was too little, too late. By the time it was introduced, Germany was unable to manufacture it in sufficient quantity for it to make much of a difference.

TomsMustangGT · 05-21-2009, 02:03 PM

Did any find their way into the hands of collectors?

Pistolenschutze · 05-21-2009, 02:05 PM

I'm sure there are some, certainly a few in museums. They were never legal here in the US and sold as surplus because of the full automatic capability. Ammo for them would be very difficult to obtain today.

TomsMustangGT · 05-21-2009, 02:17 PM

Thanks for the info Pistol

Mosin_Nagant_Fan · 05-21-2009, 02:20 PM

PRVI makes 'em.
http://www.grafs.com/ammo/242

Charlie the sniper · 05-21-2009, 02:58 PM

You can buy de-act ones here in the UK.........................

sad end for a great gun. The last one I saw was about £2000./$3200

TranterUK · 05-21-2009, 03:03 PM

I have seen them still being used about 30 years ago by some African countries. Soon replaced by AKs.

And you know Charlie, is it a sad end? The alternative is being turned into scrap, they are obsolete after all. Through de activation they can remain in the hands of collectors who will enjoy and appreciate them for many years.

Charlie the sniper · 05-21-2009, 03:11 PM

Yes better than scrap, but would be nice to get my hands on a working one. (The boys in Hereford may have one in their little collection....mmmm

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islenos · 05-21-2009, 03:55 PM

The French Foreign Legion had been using them; still in the armory I'd expect.

As far as ammo: 12.99 box/20

http://www.grafs.com/product/246020

Sasha88 · 05-21-2009, 04:50 PM

If you need ammo for it go here http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=18|830|861

05-21-2009, 01:41 PM	#1
TomsMustangGT Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Soddy Daisy,TN Posts: 12	Question regarding WW2 assault rifle When did Germany introduce it, or was it too late in the war for mass dispersal? -->

05-21-2009, 01:56 PM	#2
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Question regarding WW2 assault rifle The Germans introduced the Sturmgewehr 44 (7.92 x 33 Kurz caliber) in the latter part of WWII, Tom. It was based on the previously developed Maschinenpistole MP 43. Hitler initially opposed the development of the rifle, but the military continued development of it secretly. It is considered the precursor to all other assault rifles and heavily influenced the development of the later Russian AK47. Like so many excellent German weapons designs, it was too little, too late. By the time it was introduced, Germany was unable to manufacture it in sufficient quantity for it to make much of a difference. __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

05-21-2009, 02:03 PM	#3
TomsMustangGT Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Soddy Daisy,TN Posts: 12	Re: Question regarding WW2 assault rifle Did any find their way into the hands of collectors?

05-21-2009, 02:05 PM	#4
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Question regarding WW2 assault rifle I'm sure there are some, certainly a few in museums. They were never legal here in the US and sold as surplus because of the full automatic capability. Ammo for them would be very difficult to obtain today. __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

05-21-2009, 02:17 PM	#5
TomsMustangGT Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Soddy Daisy,TN Posts: 12	Re: Question regarding WW2 assault rifle Thanks for the info Pistol

05-21-2009, 02:20 PM	#6
Mosin_Nagant_Fan Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montgomery, AL Posts: 1,832	Re: Question regarding WW2 assault rifle PRVI makes 'em. http://www.grafs.com/ammo/242 __________________ Long Gun Collection: M38 Mosin-Nagant Carbine Russian 1950 SKS Winchester 1300 20Ga Western Field Single-Shot 16Ga Sears Ranger .22S-L-LR Bolt-Action Rifle Marlin 795 Semi-Auto (Brother's) Handgun Collection: Springfield Armory XD9 Service

05-21-2009, 02:58 PM	#7
Charlie the sniper Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: England, thats the USN aircraft carrier near europe. Posts: 751	Re: Question regarding WW2 assault rifle You can buy de-act ones here in the UK.........................sad end for a great gun. The last one I saw was about £2000./$3200 __________________ Never Forget, the price paid for Freedom.

05-21-2009, 03:03 PM	#8
TranterUK Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 5,103	Re: Question regarding WW2 assault rifle I have seen them still being used about 30 years ago by some African countries. Soon replaced by AKs. And you know Charlie, is it a sad end? The alternative is being turned into scrap, they are obsolete after all. Through de activation they can remain in the hands of collectors who will enjoy and appreciate them for many years. __________________ DVC - Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas - Accuracy, Power, Speed. The light at the end of the recession tunnel IS a train coming the other way! Last edited by TranterUK; 05-21-2009 at 03:07 PM..

05-21-2009, 03:11 PM	#9
Charlie the sniper Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: England, thats the USN aircraft carrier near europe. Posts: 751	Re: Question regarding WW2 assault rifle Yes better than scrap, but would be nice to get my hands on a working one. (The boys in Hereford may have one in their little collection....mmmm) __________________ Never Forget, the price paid for Freedom.

05-21-2009, 03:55 PM	#10
islenos Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: West Texas Posts: 1,244	Re: Question regarding WW2 assault rifle The French Foreign Legion had been using them; still in the armory I'd expect. As far as ammo: 12.99 box/20 http://www.grafs.com/product/246020 __________________ Last edited by islenos; 05-21-2009 at 04:46 PM..

05-21-2009, 04:50 PM	#11
Sasha88 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 25411 Posts: 75	Re: Question regarding WW2 assault rifle If you need ammo for it go here http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=18\|830\|861