Do I Have to Use ML Bullets? - The Firearms Forum

Jmg198 · 07-21-2009, 04:46 PM

I am new to ML. I had a .50 cal Huntsman barrel placed on my NEF frame recently. My barrel's twist rate is 1:28. I realize that sabots shoot good at this rate and maybe conicals. My question is, I have seen many bullets labeled as .50 cal, but not labeled as ML. Could I use these bullets by throwing them in a sabot. What am I missing? Any thoughts/ideas will be appreciated.

Alpo · 07-21-2009, 09:58 PM

You can't put a 50 caliber bullet in a sabot and use it in a 50 caliber rifle. 50 caliber sabots usually use 44 magnum 240 grain JSP pistol bullets. They being .43" diameter, and the sabot taking up the other .07" in the 50 caliber hole. If you put a 50 caliber bullet in a sabot, your completed round is gonna be around 58 caliber.

Pustic · 07-22-2009, 05:04 AM

I wouldn't do it either. If by some chance you did and you go to ram the bullet home, you might get it stuck half way down, and that's not a good thing. It's best to use the proper bullets that's made for it. You can also use round balls. If you do that then you want to use a .490" ball with a .015" greased patch.
Happy shooting!!
Pustic

txhunter77 · 07-22-2009, 11:04 AM

.50 caliber ML usually use either .451-.452" or .429-.430" pistol bullets with 45-50cal or 44-50cal sabots. The sabots are not a one size fits all type, they are made to fit either 44cal or 45cal, but not both.

There are a few bullets that are at or close to 50cal that are intended to be used in 50 cal ML, like Hornadys FPB ML bullet.

Jmg198 · 07-22-2009, 09:19 PM

First, I really appreciate everyone's help. Let me try to repeat what I am reading. The sabot is fits the caliber of the rifle and the bullet fits the size of the sabot. Are pistol bullets used in conjuction with sabots because of their shortness? (Meaning they don't stick out past the pedals of the sabot.) Could I use any pistol bullet I wanted paired with a .50 cal sabot that it fit into? Thanks again.

txhunter77 · 07-23-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jmg198

First, I really appreciate everyone's help. Let me try to repeat what I am reading. The sabot is fits the caliber of the rifle and the bullet fits the size of the sabot. Are pistol bullets used in conjuction with sabots because of their shortness? (Meaning they don't stick out past the pedals of the sabot.) Could I use any pistol bullet I wanted paired with a .50 cal sabot that it fit into? Thanks again.

Short asnwer. Probably!
As long as the sabot is designed for the caliber of bullet you intend on using, then yes. You would have to buy 50cal sabots made for 45cal bullets (451-.452 but not .458) or 50cal sabots made for 44cal bullets.

As far as the bullet not sticking out past the petals, not so much. Pistol bullets were selected because of the low impact velocity of the projectile being fired from MLs. Rifle bullets almost always will have much thicker jackets requiring them to be driven much faster in order to initiate expansion.

GMFWoodchuck · 07-29-2009, 08:47 AM

Another reason for the handgun bullets is because they are short they do not require as fast of a twist. Which in turns makes your muzzleloader little bit more suitable for the balls and the "purpose built" short muzzleloading bullets like those from Great Plains and who ever else. The twist in your rifle may not stablize a long bullet intended for the 45-70's or 458 mags and etc. But most of the reason is the velocity that a muzzleloader can provide like what txhunter77 said.

flannelman · 08-01-2009, 07:06 PM

Ya might look at cost too. Some of the ML bullets might be a better deal than buying HG bullets and sabots separatly. I use PowerBelt bullets in my 50 cal CVA and I have had good luck with them.

Win73 · 08-20-2009, 07:52 PM

I have a NEF .50 caliber Huntsman. I use a .45 caliber 240 grain jacketed hollow point saboted bullet over three 50 grain pellets of 777. The bullets and sabots come packaged together. They are labeled for use in a .50 caliber. That way I don't have to worry about them being mismatched.

This past season I killed a nice buck with it. It was about a 60 yard shot. The bullet went in its right shoulder and stopped against the skin on its left shoulder. The bullet mushroomed to between .60 and .70 caliber. The deer died where it stood.

07-21-2009, 04:46 PM	#1
Jmg198 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 55	Do I Have to Use ML Bullets? I am new to ML. I had a .50 cal Huntsman barrel placed on my NEF frame recently. My barrel's twist rate is 1:28. I realize that sabots shoot good at this rate and maybe conicals. My question is, I have seen many bullets labeled as .50 cal, but not labeled as ML. Could I use these bullets by throwing them in a sabot. What am I missing? Any thoughts/ideas will be appreciated. -->

07-21-2009, 09:58 PM	#2
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,664	Re: Do I Have to Use ML Bullets? You can't put a 50 caliber bullet in a sabot and use it in a 50 caliber rifle. 50 caliber sabots usually use 44 magnum 240 grain JSP pistol bullets. They being .43" diameter, and the sabot taking up the other .07" in the 50 caliber hole. If you put a 50 caliber bullet in a sabot, your completed round is gonna be around 58 caliber. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

07-22-2009, 05:04 AM	#3
Pustic V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Western Kentucky Posts: 149	Re: Do I Have to Use ML Bullets? I wouldn't do it either. If by some chance you did and you go to ram the bullet home, you might get it stuck half way down, and that's not a good thing. It's best to use the proper bullets that's made for it. You can also use round balls. If you do that then you want to use a .490" ball with a .015" greased patch. Happy shooting!! Pustic

07-22-2009, 11:04 AM	#4
txhunter77 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 4	Re: Do I Have to Use ML Bullets? .50 caliber ML usually use either .451-.452" or .429-.430" pistol bullets with 45-50cal or 44-50cal sabots. The sabots are not a one size fits all type, they are made to fit either 44cal or 45cal, but not both. There are a few bullets that are at or close to 50cal that are intended to be used in 50 cal ML, like Hornadys FPB ML bullet.

07-22-2009, 09:19 PM	#5
Jmg198 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 55	Re: Do I Have to Use ML Bullets? First, I really appreciate everyone's help. Let me try to repeat what I am reading. The sabot is fits the caliber of the rifle and the bullet fits the size of the sabot. Are pistol bullets used in conjuction with sabots because of their shortness? (Meaning they don't stick out past the pedals of the sabot.) Could I use any pistol bullet I wanted paired with a .50 cal sabot that it fit into? Thanks again.

07-29-2009, 08:47 AM	#7
GMFWoodchuck Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Binghamton, NY Posts: 1,369	Re: Do I Have to Use ML Bullets? Another reason for the handgun bullets is because they are short they do not require as fast of a twist. Which in turns makes your muzzleloader little bit more suitable for the balls and the "purpose built" short muzzleloading bullets like those from Great Plains and who ever else. The twist in your rifle may not stablize a long bullet intended for the 45-70's or 458 mags and etc. But most of the reason is the velocity that a muzzleloader can provide like what txhunter77 said.

08-01-2009, 07:06 PM	#8
flannelman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rural Arkansas. But isn't all of Arkansas rural? Posts: 1,176	Re: Do I Have to Use ML Bullets? Ya might look at cost too. Some of the ML bullets might be a better deal than buying HG bullets and sabots separatly. I use PowerBelt bullets in my 50 cal CVA and I have had good luck with them. __________________ What we do in life echoes in eternity! **** Liberals, they make about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine. If you want to be a looser the best way to get there is to hang around with other loosers.

08-20-2009, 07:52 PM	#9
Win73 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 128	Re: Do I Have to Use ML Bullets? I have a NEF .50 caliber Huntsman. I use a .45 caliber 240 grain jacketed hollow point saboted bullet over three 50 grain pellets of 777. The bullets and sabots come packaged together. They are labeled for use in a .50 caliber. That way I don't have to worry about them being mismatched. This past season I killed a nice buck with it. It was about a 60 yard shot. The bullet went in its right shoulder and stopped against the skin on its left shoulder. The bullet mushroomed to between .60 and .70 caliber. The deer died where it stood. __________________ (Luke 11:21 KJV) When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: (Luke 22:36 KJV) Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.