Unusual firearms

petesusn · 04-03-2010, 11:13 AM

I wasn't sure what topic to post this in.

But I'll start the topic.

Jim K · 04-03-2010, 07:55 PM

Duckfoot pistols are well known, if not exactly common, but that one looks like something out of a video game. Wild!

The Reform is a bit more common and apparently quite a few were made. I have one, but without the safety. They are double action, chambered for .25 ACP. The barrel block is inserted all the way down into the gun, and then rises as the trigger is pulled. They are interesting in that the barrels are connected by ports toward the front, so that discharging the second barrel blows out the empty case in the first, and so on. The empty in the bottom barrel has to be removed by hand. That is why the hammer has such an odd shaped spur; it deflects the blown-out empties away from the shooter's face.

They have the advantage of being very flat and reportedly were often carried under a gentleman's cummerbund, when gentlemen wore such things.

As to the first pistol (assuming that is what it is), you got me. I have never seen anything like it and am not even sure of the scale. A bit of a description and a ruler for scale would help us understand it, and maybe someone can even identify it.

Jim

petesusn · 04-03-2010, 08:36 PM

Produced in the 1800, the (probably French made in 5 mm cal.) ring pistol is a perfect example of what was known as “la petite protectors”. The ring pistol once was one of the smallest killing devices ever developed. There doesn’t seem to be much info around regarding the practicality of the finger mounted firearm. If it were fired, the smoke, flames, and noise would be considerable. The muzzle velocity would probably be so low that the powder burn would be worse than the bullet. So maybe it doesn’t classify as the most efficient killing device but considering when it was made and the craftsmanship it took to make, it certainly is an exceptional one off antique firearm. Hat’s off to the unknown creator.

You can buy a replica non-firing ring pistol here...

http://www.digbyandiona.com/store/show/BSPR

Alpo · 04-03-2010, 09:01 PM

How 'bout a nice pocketwatch?

petesusn · 04-04-2010, 05:07 PM

Or the Turbiaux Palm-Squeezer Pistol.

Alpo · 04-04-2010, 06:52 PM

Then we have the Collier flintlock revolver.

Jim K · 04-04-2010, 08:41 PM

Those are nice; I have a palm squeezer, but am green with envy at the watch and your Collier, especially in that condition!

Jim

Alpo · 04-04-2010, 09:55 PM

I'm sorry. Did I miss the part where it says this has to be our own guns?

I believe that Collier is in a museum in England. Don't remember where I sniped that watch pic from.

Alpo · 04-04-2010, 09:57 PM

I would love to have that watch, though. It is just too cool.

How 'bout a 2.7mm Kolibri. One of the, if not THE, smallest production handguns.

Alpo · 04-04-2010, 09:59 PM

Then we go to the other extreme. A 2-bore rifle. That would be a 33.6mm, or 1 1/3 inch bore.

petesusn · 04-05-2010, 12:53 AM

A 2 bore rifle? I don't think I'd want to pull the trigger on that one.

wpage · 04-05-2010, 06:34 AM

link to some cell phone gun videos...
http://www.google.com/search?q=cell+...ed=0CDgQqwQwCA

flintlock · 04-05-2010, 08:11 AM

Now I want a 2 bore! Makes my 4 bore look underpowered!

Alpo · 04-05-2010, 08:55 AM

Then we have the HK P11 Underwater Pistol.

ofitg · 04-05-2010, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petesusn

A 2 bore rifle? I don't think I'd want to pull the trigger on that one.

If you had been a sea-faring man a couple of centuries sooner, they might have given you one of these shoulder-busters - Henry Nock's 7-barrel volley gun -

ofitg · 04-05-2010, 11:37 AM

I imagine that some of the older guys are familiar with this, but it's still unusual -

Quiet Special Purpose Revolver (QSPR) - captive piston cartridge, fires fifteen .14 tungsten buckshot at 750 fps, sounds like a silenced .22

Alpo · 04-05-2010, 12:53 PM

That made on a Model 29 44 magnum? Seems like I read about a special silenced revolver based on a model 29, in Soldier of Fortune, years back. It was for tunnel rats, in Vietnam. Could shoot the Cong, without blowing your eardrums or having the concussion make the tunnel come down around you.

Alpo · 04-05-2010, 12:58 PM

We have a store-bought knuckleduster gun. A "My Friend". Then we have a home-made knuckleduster gun.

ofitg · 04-05-2010, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpo

That made on a Model 29 44 magnum? Seems like I read about a special silenced revolver based on a model 29, in Soldier of Fortune, years back. It was for tunnel rats, in Vietnam. Could shoot the Cong, without blowing your eardrums or having the concussion make the tunnel come down around you.

I think you're right, it's a modified S&W 29.... "tunnel rat" gun.

That HK P11 was a strange duck, I never heard of that before.

Alpo · 04-05-2010, 01:44 PM

The muzzle pic shows it after being fired. The chambers are sealed and the charge tears through the plug.

ofitg · 04-05-2010, 02:27 PM

Here's a couple more from those pesky Germans....

Nazi Belt Buckle gun -

WW2 Fliegerfaust... granddaddy of the Redeye and SA-7

mesinge2 · 04-05-2010, 10:18 PM

Attachment 35573

OTs-38 silent revolver made on FSB Russia
Attachment 35574

.380 ACP Russian Tula R-92
Because on the location of the grip in relation to the cylinder they warned not to use hot loads to avoid the flash from burning the hand. They also made it in 9x18 Makarov
Attachment 35575

11.25x36mm Montenegrin Gasser
I just consider this caliber odd.
Attachment 35576

mesinge2 · 04-05-2010, 10:35 PM

Perhaps a dozen of these specialized guns were made in Nazi Germany. They fired either a .32 caliber or .22 rimfire cartridge and had a four-round magazine

Attachment 35577

Jim K · 04-06-2010, 09:50 AM

There is a book, called Firearms Curiosa, by Lewis Winant, that is full of oddities like those. It was originally published in 1955; the first printing was of 1000 numbered copies, I don't know how large the second was, but AFAIK it is now out of print. Anyone interested in odd guns should try to get a copy.

The satirical Colt "ads" in the back are hilarious. One "ad" is for a monstrous "pocket revolver" chambered for the .99 Colt, a cartridge firing either a 600 grain lead bullet or a 410 grain metal penetrating. Going with Colt's "snake" names, the artist called it the "Python." What a silly name; I can't imagine Colt ever actually calling a gun that.

Jim

Alpo · 04-06-2010, 09:57 AM

Like this one?

04-03-2010, 11:13 AM	#1
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04-03-2010, 07:55 PM	#2
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Unusual firearms Duckfoot pistols are well known, if not exactly common, but that one looks like something out of a video game. Wild! The Reform is a bit more common and apparently quite a few were made. I have one, but without the safety. They are double action, chambered for .25 ACP. The barrel block is inserted all the way down into the gun, and then rises as the trigger is pulled. They are interesting in that the barrels are connected by ports toward the front, so that discharging the second barrel blows out the empty case in the first, and so on. The empty in the bottom barrel has to be removed by hand. That is why the hammer has such an odd shaped spur; it deflects the blown-out empties away from the shooter's face. They have the advantage of being very flat and reportedly were often carried under a gentleman's cummerbund, when gentlemen wore such things. As to the first pistol (assuming that is what it is), you got me. I have never seen anything like it and am not even sure of the scale. A bit of a description and a ruler for scale would help us understand it, and maybe someone can even identify it. Jim Last edited by Jim K; 04-03-2010 at 07:57 PM..

04-03-2010, 08:36 PM	#3
petesusn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Ca. Posts: 614	Re: Unusual firearms Produced in the 1800, the (probably French made in 5 mm cal.) ring pistol is a perfect example of what was known as “la petite protectors”. The ring pistol once was one of the smallest killing devices ever developed. There doesn’t seem to be much info around regarding the practicality of the finger mounted firearm. If it were fired, the smoke, flames, and noise would be considerable. The muzzle velocity would probably be so low that the powder burn would be worse than the bullet. So maybe it doesn’t classify as the most efficient killing device but considering when it was made and the craftsmanship it took to make, it certainly is an exceptional one off antique firearm. Hat’s off to the unknown creator. You can buy a replica non-firing ring pistol here... http://www.digbyandiona.com/store/show/BSPR Attached Images __________________ Self Defense: A basic human right The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917. A man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile...can respond with a great deal of pride and satisfaction, "I served in the U. S. Navy." John F. Kennedy VFW Life Member Last edited by petesusn; 04-03-2010 at 08:39 PM..

04-03-2010, 09:01 PM	#4
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,648	Re: Unusual firearms How 'bout a nice pocketwatch? Attached Images __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

04-04-2010, 05:07 PM	#5
petesusn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Ca. Posts: 614	Re: Unusual firearms Or the Turbiaux Palm-Squeezer Pistol. Attached Images __________________ Self Defense: A basic human right The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917. A man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile...can respond with a great deal of pride and satisfaction, "I served in the U. S. Navy." John F. Kennedy VFW Life Member

04-04-2010, 06:52 PM	#6
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,648	Re: Unusual firearms Then we have the Collier flintlock revolver. Attached Images __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

04-04-2010, 08:41 PM	#7
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Unusual firearms Those are nice; I have a palm squeezer, but am green with envy at the watch and your Collier, especially in that condition! Jim

04-04-2010, 09:55 PM	#8
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,648	Re: Unusual firearms I'm sorry. Did I miss the part where it says this has to be our own guns? I believe that Collier is in a museum in England. Don't remember where I sniped that watch pic from. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

04-04-2010, 09:57 PM	#9
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,648	Re: Unusual firearms I would love to have that watch, though. It is just too cool. How 'bout a 2.7mm Kolibri. One of the, if not THE, smallest production handguns. Attached Images __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

04-04-2010, 09:59 PM	#10
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,648	Re: Unusual firearms Then we go to the other extreme. A 2-bore rifle. That would be a 33.6mm, or 1 1/3 inch bore. Attached Images __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies. Last edited by Alpo; 04-04-2010 at 10:01 PM..

04-05-2010, 12:53 AM	#11
petesusn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Ca. Posts: 614	Re: Unusual firearms A 2 bore rifle? I don't think I'd want to pull the trigger on that one. __________________ Self Defense: A basic human right The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917. A man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile...can respond with a great deal of pride and satisfaction, "I served in the U. S. Navy." John F. Kennedy VFW Life Member

04-05-2010, 06:34 AM	#12
wpage Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,471	Re: Unusual firearms link to some cell phone gun videos... http://www.google.com/search?q=cell+...ed=0CDgQqwQwCA __________________ "You shall recieve power" Acts 1:8 W

04-05-2010, 08:11 AM	#13
flintlock Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Upstate NY Contributor Posts: 896	Re: Unusual firearms Now I want a 2 bore! Makes my 4 bore look underpowered!

04-05-2010, 08:55 AM	#14
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,648	Re: Unusual firearms Then we have the HK P11 Underwater Pistol. Attached Images __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

04-05-2010, 11:37 AM	#16
ofitg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,447	Re: Unusual firearms I imagine that some of the older guys are familiar with this, but it's still unusual - Quiet Special Purpose Revolver (QSPR) - captive piston cartridge, fires fifteen .14 tungsten buckshot at 750 fps, sounds like a silenced .22

04-05-2010, 12:53 PM	#17
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,648	Re: Unusual firearms That made on a Model 29 44 magnum? Seems like I read about a special silenced revolver based on a model 29, in Soldier of Fortune, years back. It was for tunnel rats, in Vietnam. Could shoot the Cong, without blowing your eardrums or having the concussion make the tunnel come down around you. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

04-05-2010, 12:58 PM	#18
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,648	Re: Unusual firearms We have a store-bought knuckleduster gun. A "My Friend". Then we have a home-made knuckleduster gun. Attached Images __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

04-05-2010, 01:44 PM	#20
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,648	Re: Unusual firearms The muzzle pic shows it after being fired. The chambers are sealed and the charge tears through the plug. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

04-05-2010, 02:27 PM	#21
ofitg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,447	Re: Unusual firearms Here's a couple more from those pesky Germans.... Nazi Belt Buckle gun - WW2 Fliegerfaust... granddaddy of the Redeye and SA-7 Last edited by ofitg; 04-05-2010 at 03:56 PM..

04-05-2010, 10:18 PM	#22
mesinge2 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 538	Re: Unusual firearms Attachment 35573 OTs-38 silent revolver made on FSB Russia Attachment 35574 .380 ACP Russian Tula R-92 Because on the location of the grip in relation to the cylinder they warned not to use hot loads to avoid the flash from burning the hand. They also made it in 9x18 Makarov Attachment 35575 11.25x36mm Montenegrin Gasser I just consider this caliber odd. Attachment 35576 __________________ NRA Certified Instructor "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise. I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind ... Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." 1785, Thomas Jefferson. Last edited by mesinge2; 09-29-2010 at 10:33 PM..

04-05-2010, 10:35 PM	#23
mesinge2 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 538	Re: Unusual firearms Perhaps a dozen of these specialized guns were made in Nazi Germany. They fired either a .32 caliber or .22 rimfire cartridge and had a four-round magazine Attachment 35577 __________________ NRA Certified Instructor "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise. I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind ... Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." 1785, Thomas Jefferson. Last edited by mesinge2; 09-29-2010 at 10:33 PM..

04-06-2010, 09:50 AM	#24
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Unusual firearms There is a book, called Firearms Curiosa, by Lewis Winant, that is full of oddities like those. It was originally published in 1955; the first printing was of 1000 numbered copies, I don't know how large the second was, but AFAIK it is now out of print. Anyone interested in odd guns should try to get a copy. The satirical Colt "ads" in the back are hilarious. One "ad" is for a monstrous "pocket revolver" chambered for the .99 Colt, a cartridge firing either a 600 grain lead bullet or a 410 grain metal penetrating. Going with Colt's "snake" names, the artist called it the "Python." What a silly name; I can't imagine Colt ever actually calling a gun that. Jim

04-06-2010, 09:57 AM	#25
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,648	Re: Unusual firearms Like this one? Attached Images __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.