Old gun, loaded in the front. (sorry for the english, i am danish)

[TNichum]

Can someone tell me what it is worth?

[TNichum]

On the side it says: "Black powder only" and "ultra hi or ht, can't tell. on the top it says: " BP" with a logo and then proof tested. On the other side it says .67 cal. Japan 9756 and thats it.

[Alpo]

The term you wanted was "muzzle loader".

It's not an old gun. If it was, it would have been handmade, would not have a serial number, and would not say "black powder" on it. Back then black powder was the only kind, so there was no need to put that warning on the guns.

You have a modern replica, worth, maybe 75 dollars.

[oscarmayer]

this is a modern reproduction .67 caliber flintlock, muzzle loader/blackpowder. they sometime came in a kit form and the buyer has to put them together. value is rather low. non firing replicas sell for less than a 100 usd new and working models around 200 to 300 usd new depending on style, and caliber.

[3/2 STA SS]

Pretty cool looking for a replica gun. And .67 caliber makes it look a bit intimidating.

[oscarmayer]

for those restricted and unable to own a "modern" gun this thing loaded with carpet tacks would make a dandy up close and personal home defender

[Jim K]

Ouch! I think anyone shooting carpet tacks, even in self defence, would probably be in trouble.

Those flintlock repros were made in Japan around 30 years ago. Most had too soft frizzens to actually fire, but they looked nice.

Jim

[RJay]

I agree, looking very closely at the lock and barrel, I think this one was made for the wall only. The barrel looks like soft iron pipe. But then again, that's just ollking at a picture.

[grcsat]

Carpet tacks-------------Dam thats gotta hurt.

The pistol looks like an old CVA kit from the late 70s

[zb338]

It has sycamore wood.

Zeke

[BullShoot]

grcsat said, 'The pistol looks like an old CVA kit from the late 70s'

Gotta disagree with that. The CVA kits were artistic marvels compared to this one. The flat-plate hammer looks like nothing I have ever seen on a real pistol; the abrupt end to the forestock looks like the end of a mill run. The pipe used for a barrel is much too thin for that sized bore. Commercial Junque.

IMO, ymmv.

BullShoot

[grcsat]

Originally Posted by BullShoot

grcsat said, 'The pistol looks like an old CVA kit from the late 70s'

Gotta disagree with that. The CVA kits were artistic marvels compared to this one. The flat-plate hammer looks like nothing I have ever seen on a real pistol; the abrupt end to the forestock looks like the end of a mill run. The pipe used for a barrel is much too thin for that sized bore. Commercial Junque.

IMO, ymmv.

BullShoot

You'r most likly right. I just mentioned what it reminded me of.

[22shot]

Like several guys have pointed out; you have a "reproduction" BP Pistol.
I doubt if it was a "kit".
It was mfg. in Japan for Ultra-Hi. It is a copy of the British Tower pistol; On the lock plate it should have a "crown" over letters G R impressed between the hammer and frizzen; the letters S A R behind the hammer. The brass butt insured that the wood would't split when it was used as a club; after fireing your one and only shot.
This is just an educated guess; but it may have been made by Miroku; a top Japanese gunmaker. (I have a caplock .45 pistol; Ultra-HI; Miroku: Japan; and I've fired it. The workmanship is top notch.)
The presense of "proof" marks indicates your pistol is intended to be fully functional; it looks unfired.
As posted; it is worth at least $75 but not more than $200.

Collector value is in the eye of the beholder.

[papadenis]

Originally Posted by 22shot

Like several guys have pointed out; you have a "reproduction" BP Pistol.
I doubt if it was a "kit".
It was mfg. in Japan for Ultra-Hi. It is a copy of the British Tower pistol; On the lock plate it should have a "crown" over letters G R impressed between the hammer and frizzen; the letters S A R behind the hammer. The brass butt insured that the wood would't split when it was used as a club; after fireing your one and only shot.
This is just an educated guess; but it may have been made by Miroku; a top Japanese gunmaker. (I have a caplock .45 pistol; Ultra-HI; Miroku: Japan; and I've fired it. The workmanship is top notch.)
The presense of "proof" marks indicates your pistol is intended to be fully functional; it looks unfired.
As posted; it is worth at least $75 but not more than $200.

Collector value is in the eye of the beholder.

22shot,

I own the exact gun you described in your reply post. If my gun has a Crown over GR and SAR behind the hammer does this mean my gun is authentic vs. a replica? The gun is in very good condition and appears to be in full working order.

Any idea on its value if all parts are authentic? Can you tell me anything more about its history?

papa

[Jim K]

The repro makers often put on the crown and royal cipher to make the guns look more authentic. If your gun is marked "black powder only" it is obviously a reproduction since in the days of the original, as Alpo says, there was no other kind. It should also be marked with the country of origin and may have a serial number; neither would be on a genuine antique.

Jim

[22shot]

Papadenis

This is the Tower Flintlock I've described.
I've shot it with 40gr. Pyrodex; newspaper wading; 4Fg powder in the pan.
Big ffsBOOM; lotsa smoke; and a lot of cleanup.
WEAR shooters glasses!

This is a repro; I'm sure I can get $150-$200 for it; wouldn't sell it for less.

Picked it up at a local gun show about 10 years ago.

Welcome to TTF!

[papadenis]

Interesting. Here are a few pictures of my gun. Hopefully this will help identify its age.

No where on the gun does it saw Black Powder Only. In fact, the only markings on the barrel is in the last photo. E|G

papa

[22shot]

papadenis

I believe your Tower flintlock is a reproduction; based on your pics and description.

No proof or acceptance marks.

EIG on the barrel was the importer.

The absence of a serial # means that it was imported into this country prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968 (these guns were just old timey Davy Crocket things; why bother).
After 1968 the hammer came down.

The "black powder only" thing was added later; after it was found out that too many citizens were eliminating essential parts of their anatomy by stuffing them with "smokeless".

EIG iported these; and others;
1950's-1960's.

The Internet God won't tell me who EIG was...

[RJay]

EIG was Saul Eig, an importer of knives and inexpensive firearms from Europe ( read Germany, Italy and Spain) His company was based in Miami, Florida until the 1960's. He sold out and the new owners formed EIG Cutlery Inc., they lasted until 1983.

[robwhite365]

I have a similar looking gun but does not have the words " black powder only" all i can find imprinted on it was , a small Japan on the barrel, GR under the Hammer, and SAR behind the flint mechanism...can anyone tell me if this is the real deal or another replica

[RJay]

I would have to say it was a replica. During the era when Japan was useing such weapons they didn't export them and they sure didn't mark them Japan.

[Jim K]

I once started to read a story about the Civil War, described in the foreword as "based on meticulous research." In the first two pages, set in 1859, the author described a pistol marked "Black Powder Only" and referred to events in Harpers Ferry, West Virginia.

I didn't bother with page three of the "meticulous research."

Jim

[robwhite365]

Well my grandfather passed it down to me, I do have genuine items he passed down from ww2, I know this can't b from that era, but since his others are authentic I'm wondering if this is as well. It's rusty barrel has Japan imprinted on it and two small symbols next to it as well. I've yet to find info on it as I have the others.

[Jim K]

U.S. law requires that commercially imported items (other than cartridge firearms) be marked with the "country of origin" or "COO". The "Japan" mark shows that the gun was imported commercially into the U.S., not a vet bringback or an antique (antiques are exempt from the law since the mark would devalue them).

So is your Grandfather's gun "authentic"? Yes, it is an authentic gun. It is just not an antique gun or a valuable one.

Jim

[robwhite365]

Thank you Jim. I did notice the other items passed down from him that are authentic ww2 items did not say the country of origin on them, some of the knives did have the year and manufacturer imprinted on them. Thank you