Rise In C'yote population?

[Big ugly]

I just got out of the woods and again today I seen 5 or 6 c'yotes. I have been seein alot here lately. For that matter I have seen a lot of foxes too. Is it just me or is there a rise in their population?

[wvugunnut]

Without a doubt there has been a rise in coyotes along the eastern sea board. I for one have seen, heard and shot, many while hunting whitetail this past season and my friend are thinking about picking up predator hunting. I have heard from several hunters that if you kill one coyote then you save ten deer. I do not know how accurate that stat is but here is a article I read that opened my eyes.

http://controlpredators.com/special/4.html

[Big ugly]

I was in the woods for 6 hours and seen that many in daylight. Where my brother and I are hunting at there is aproximately 350 acres of patureland owned by 2 diffrent families and we have access to both propeties, in all total access amounts to over 700 acres but where we have been concentrateing most is the two open pastures that run through a small valley, there is a creek at the bottom of the valley and that reek is the property line. 1 family ownes the north side and the other owns the south. So far we have seen 5 diffrent ones and another that could have been seen earlier that day.

There is 2 larger males that run together and are Coys or mixed. I asked the property owners if they were pets that belng to some one else and they said no, they had seen the 2 together also. I guess its time to use my live chicken bait again and see if I can coax one in close.

[Old Grump]

Mild winter, wet summer, large increase in their food supply allows predator population to expand. Add less hunting pressure and they have every opportunity to move into areas where they had never been. Our waste provides good hunting grounds for them.

[Zane71464]

There has been a big rise in population of them in this area for some time now. In the past year Ive took up hunting them more than ever and had some good sucess.
One thing about with the deer gun season just going aout around here is, that there are a lot of "drop-off's" of scraps left over that people seem to have a habbit of tossing out here and there and the coyotes are having a "field" day with the scraps. And not to mention, all the deer that get shot or lammed that hunters dont get to harvest leaves them as "coyote bait".

[308 at my gate]

I live in the city so not to many coyotes around here, but I did read an article about them and they decimate deer population faster than a chevy on route 66. They are especially hard on the fawn population. If I had the chance big ugly I would start predator hunting.

[Zane71464]

Originally Posted by 308 at my gate

I live in the city so not to many coyotes around here, but I did read an article about them and they decimate deer population faster than a chevy on route 66. They are especially hard on the fawn population. If I had the chance big ugly I would start predator hunting.

So very true! I set out feeders for the deer this time of year and have them out til late spring and during the spring when they start droping their young, My feeders turn into a "hang-out" for the "creaps"....I hit them hard this past spring and right all summer long!

[Bubblehead]

Originally Posted by wvugunnut

I have heard from several hunters that if you kill one coyote then you save ten deer.

Could be ten deer per season or year. I recently went to a university presentation on "Living with wildlife" in my area. We have an increasing mountain lion population here in the California Sierra Nevada's and the presenter said that a mountain lion will eat up to 1 deer every ten days so I guess the figure you received from the hunters could be correct.

John

[Bill Sweetman]

I would say yes there is or was a rise in pop. The thing is where I hunt (Gaspe coast que.) we were allowed to hunt deer again 10 or 12 years ago, after a 10 year moritorium was isssued on the white-tail deer hunt. (because of a DRASTIC drop in pop due to 2 legged and 4 legged 'yotes.) If we are not carefull hunting WILL be halted once again! How the 'yotes got here remains a ? . Because they are NOT native here but are most deffinately here! The 'yotes have a grand total of 0 predators , not counting humans. Some say they were brought here as a governmental ecology experiment or they just "naturally" migrated here from places with an over pop. Either way the 'yote here is NOT a normal 'yote. They must have crossed with dogs 'cause a 'yote here is atleast twice the size of a 'yote out west. (Albeta-Saskatchewan I hunted them and trapped them) They are EXTREMELY smart and gun-shy. I KNOW FIRST HAND they do not eat what they kill but kill for fun. Close to "our deer grounds" , in winter , there is and was deer carcasses on deer trails DEAD all over!!! What they don't catch usuallly dies of pneumonia or exposure after sweating a crap-load and being chased for hours! Did I mention they are SMART , they are verrrrry hard to trap , the trap or snare has to be set PERFECTLY with no sign of ANY disturbance or else the 'yote WILL NOT use that trail EVER AGAIN!!!

When you are lucky enough to get a bead on one or your sights DO NOT hesitate 'cause that 'yote will NEVER be seen again!!! Did I mention they are SMART!!

I never thought I could HATE an animal so much!!but I do! When and if I ever get the chance at a 'yote , I BLOW him all to hell!!

Bill

[old semperfi]

i live in southern indiana and they have ruined my deer hunting in a certain area.i will start varmit hunting when deer season is over. old semperfi

[Zane71464]

Originally Posted by old semperfi

i live in southern indiana and they have ruined my deer hunting in a certain area.i will start varmit hunting when deer season is over. old semperfi

...excellent idea and good game plan. Like said above, the have no other preditors other then humans. They need to be thinned and this give a hunting season year around as well.
In the "98/99" bow season, I shot a Non-Typical that scored 146-3/8" with my PSE compond. I was late getting to my stand and shot the nice buck before reaching my stand, long story short...tracked it til dark and lost the blood trail so decided to wait til daylight. Came back as soon as it was light enough to see and found it about 75yds from where I stopped the evening I shot it. All that was left of it was the head, part of the right shoulder and the backbone, and one of the two arrow's that I let go on it. As I stated in another post here...this is where the g-warden, in my mind, put the screws to my dreams of mounting this buck. I was told that I had to get every part of the buck that was left, and what was left was scattered. I tried and called him and told him my situation. I also told him I wasnt leaving the head and shoulder...took me till spring to get it leagally tagged...but back to the OP, the damn coyotes in my most honest opinion need a good thinning and I'm talking year around. I hunted coyotes prior to "98", but I now hunt them with a vengance. The only good Coyote is a dead coyote...JMO!

[Bill Sweetman]

the damn coyotes in my most honest opinion need a good thinning and I'm talking year around. I hunted coyotes prior to "98", but I now hunt them with a vengance. The only good Coyote is a dead coyote...JMO

Ditto!!!

Bill

[noslolo]

My Dad has 50-60 acres outside of Ottawa Ont. I was up there for American Thanksgiving and he was talking to me about the yotes breeding with Wolves. The second night I had a call on my cell and went outside to talk without disturbing anyone. I could hear howling all around me. I was out there for about 45mins before I came in. I then went to walk my boxer before bed and she only took a couple of steps and then frooze. She just stood and stared at the woods. I took here back in and thats when my Dad told me that they have had real problems with people being attacked outside of their homes! I asked him if he had seen any and he hadn't, but he has found several deer that have been killed within 20 yards of his house. I didn't feel the need to go on long walks in the woods at night while on the phone after that. No guns in the house besides my great great uncles .36 remington pistol from the civil war that is in a shadow box.

[BETH]

will a C'yote attack a person?

[BETH]

There is rise in population i live in Ct. and they are here in the past couple years before that nada we are also getting more black bears here which we never had before? they are building so much they don't know where to go

[hunterfisher]

Yes, Beth. Yotes have been known to attack humans. A couple months ago I read a piece in the newspaper about yotes attacking a 2 yr.old girl. Can't recall the state. A few days later another child was attacked. 98 % of the time they will run from you. But, NEVER, trust one to do that. A good yote, is a dead yote.

[Bill Sweetman]

Originally Posted by BETH

will a C'yote attack a person?

Yes they will. About 10 years ago my cuz was walking down his gate to catch the school bus ............ the bus driver reached and picked up the fire axe and got off the bus and met my cuz half way and escorted him to the bus all the while a few 'yotes folllowed them with teeth bared!!( no we dont live in the woods this happened on a farm!!)

The ONLY good 'yote is a dead 'yote!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I HAD to repeat this)

Bill

[JLA]

I like to ketch em mosyin along the pasture bout 300 yds away scroungin for field rats. Then when they have just about had their fill ill whisper about 168 grains into their ear and send em to see jesus. then hang em on the fence post for show and tell

[BETH]

i have heard they would attack a kid but never heard of them going after an adult

[JLA]

they are opportinistic scavengers. their survival is based solely on numbers and luck. One will attack a child because he threat is percieved as minimal, an adult my be attacked by a half dozen or so because naturally the bigger adult poses more of a threat. they are not unlike gangs of urban america, one or two will likely keep their heads down and go on by without so much as an inadvertent stare, but you get 15 of them and they suddenly become bulletproof, or so they think. I used to have me a skins collection that says different. C'yote skins that is. its still illegal to skin gangstas so i bury them in the back pasture

[hunterfisher]

So how are things in, Naugatuck, Beth. I used to live in, Becon Falls, and Shelton.

[Toolmanroberts]

They are becoming very brave around here in Minnesota. A neighbor of my about a half mile away had one in their porch eating the dogs food. It growled at the neighbors wife when she tried to chase it off, but it didn't leave untill it was done eating all the dog food.

[Zane71464]

About the same here Toolman, Ive had then on my deck twice.
Woke up one night with a weird noise and got up and looked out and there stood one on my deck eating the dog food. Just this past summer, same thing. I was cleaning out my freezer late one night and had a some meat that was bad in the freezer and layed it out on the deck to toss the next morning. Also had two big pickle jars setting out there as well to go to the garbage. About 4am "something" woke me up, and got up and heard some thrashing out on the deck. Got my thoughts about me as I was trying to wake up. Got the .22mag out and ready and looked out and there running off the deck was a coyote running off "funny". I went out and the meat was gone along with one of the big pickel jars...looked around and couldnt find it. Got up the next morning and went out and looked and the pickel jar was NO where to be found...I even looked and followed in the direction the coyote ran...never did find that pickel jar!!!

[Bubblehead]

We also have them here in the central California Sierra's. I had a yellow lab, and before he ran away, the coyotes used to come in close and "talk" to him. I had him on a 40' lead in the front yard and the coyotes would come down the driveway a bit and "yip" at him. He'd respond with his bark and this conversation might go on for 45 minutes. When I'd walk out front to see what all the chatter was about, the coyote would just stand in the driveway, about 30 feet away from me, and stare. They never ran. My neighbor has a dog and the coyotes do the same thing over there. We think that the lead "yote" would come in and do the talking, trying to entice the dog to follow. I guess then they'd probably be killed and eaten.

[redwing carson]

We have thousands of coyotes killed every year. Each Dist. here has a Federal Hunter Trapper. Most live stock companies employ there own trappers as well. Civilian hunters kill 1,000s each year. The coyotes population keeps growing any way. The big problem here is sheep kills which run some $21 million in the west last year. The impact on deer by coyotes does not seem to be that much of a problem. Wild dogs or dog packs kill deer. Note kills, a coyote kills with his very sharp teeth grasping prey by the throat and choking them to death. Dogs tear into hind parts and mangle the prey. A coyote will eat dog kills after a few days. Check signs, coyote tracks front feet more oval rear feet small. Dog tracks tend to be more round front and large back feet. Coyotes that appear to more than 30 to 40 pounds most likely are wild dogs or crosses. Dogs are pack animals for the most part. The coyote and a mate make a killing team. Coyotes eat small animals whole leave no trace. I have seen female coyotes attrack male dogs so they the coyote pair can feast on rover. The coyote will howl over the last mans grave.

RC