Help me out - The Firearms Forum

Wolf 5.7 · 10-31-2011, 04:27 AM

o/ All,

I didn't know where to post this question, so I thought I would start here (Mods just tell me where you move the thread.)

I have scrounged up a little bit extra and decided to by a new Firearm. Now comes the hard part. Which one to get? I have roughly 600 Dollars to spend.

M&P 22 pistol. Every S&W firearm I have bought I have loved, and the ergonomics is Similar to my sd9.
Another .22 Cal Pistol. I've handled some 700 dollar Kimber .22 and a mosquito. Hated them both. Walther any good? I've read they are total junk.
Or Go a different Direction entirely and go for a S&W Governor or a .327 Mag.
Last Choice, a 45/70 govt guide gun by Marlin.

I'm interested in a .22 Cal pistol for the economics of it. You can't beat .22LR For the price.
I would be interested in the Governor or .327 mag for SD. Plus I have a load of .45ACP.

As for the Guide gun, I just like them. .45/70 is a beast of a bullet, and I would like to have a reliable hunting weapon.

Your thoughts and advice is much appreciated.

jack404 · 10-31-2011, 05:00 AM

ok question back what dont you have , or what do you have

if you have shot guns and CF rifle , time for a .22

but looks like you got 22, do you have big CF rifle then the .45/70 looks good

i bought a EAA Witness ( tangfolio ) in .40 ( all i can have legal here ) with the .22 kit ( shoots .22 and .40 S&W why not look at the .45 /.22 version ..

the .22 kit i can shoot 2" with all day!!

CHW2021 · 10-31-2011, 06:37 AM

First, decide what you want to spend your money on.
Second, decide what you want to buy ammo for.
Third, if you want a .22 pistol, look at the Ruger mark 2 or the Browning Buckmark.

Having said that, there are many fine .22 pistols about, look at the local paper or pawnshops if you are familiar enough to be comfortable doing so. I have the opinion that the .22 is the all around best training tool for marksmanship; the low price of ammo is just a bonus. If you do not have one, you definitely need one.

gun-nut · 10-31-2011, 07:39 AM

I agree with the Ruger markII !! Fast shooter and fun! I have one and for the money that they are you can still buy a butt load of ammo. I bought mine new and it took CCI Stingers to break in the slide spring before it would run any rem. or win. ammo.

carver · 10-31-2011, 07:53 AM

I'm a bit confused about what you have right now, and what you don't have. But it seems that you already have a .22 pistol. You stated that you have a load of .45's, so I have to assume that you have a pistol to shoot them in. So I voted for the 45/70.

herohog · 10-31-2011, 12:23 PM

Get a Ruger 22/45 and add the VQ kit and be happy! Here is mine and what I put in it and the cost for it all. It is a KILLER gun now that I wouldn't trade for the world! NOTE: Be sure to get the Replaceable Grip Panel model!

22/45 MK-III Target Model

Volquartsen:
Exact Edge Extractor,
SureStrike Firing Pin,
Target hammer,
Target sear,
Target trigger w/ over-travel screw, return trigger plunger spring and polished plunger,
V-Comp Compensator,
Titanium Disconnecter.

Mag disconnect removed using Sam's hammer bushing and I installed bpatza @ rimfirecentral.com's Loaded Chamber Indicator (LCI) Cover.

Grips and Mag Bumpers by TechTeach @ rimfirecentral.com Dominic.Notaro@csinet.net

Hammer bushing from Sam Lam @ rimfirecentral.com sg552.2@gmail.com

Cocking Handle by Brian Alcaraz, bjtraz@swbell.net @ rimfirecentral.com

I Throated her and polished the feed ramp too.

The trigger is MUCH lighter and breaks nice and clean with NO creep and no over-travel. Once I adjusted the take-up as far as I could and still get reliable reset I am left with about 1/32" take-up before you feel resistance then she breaks like glass at maybe a pounds pressure! I doubt I will be making any changes to the setup from this point on other than a special set of grips I have coming!

I have a total of only $258.43 in her not counting the original cost of the gun and Red Dot which was $350 so the total investment is $608.43 and well worth every penny to me!

Volquartsen:
VC2DN MKII/MKIII TITANIUM DISCONNECTOR, 7.50
S&H SHIPPING & HANDLING, 9.95
Product: Volquartsen Accurizing Kit MK III - Silver
Product Code: VC3AK-S
Price: $92.50
Product: Volquartsen Bolt Tune-Up Kit Ruger MKI, MKII, MKIII
Product Code: VC3FE
Price: $27.95

orders@bullseyegear.com:
1505GH, Ruger Stainless Steel V-Comp Muzzle Break, $49.99
Shipping cost, $5.99

bjtraz's Slide Racker, brian@alcaraz.org bjtraz @ RFC 22/45 $33.00 shipped.

Grips and Mag Bumpers by TechTeach @ rimfirecentral.com Dominic.Notaro@csinet.net

Sam's (sg552-2) Hammer Bushing: $10US Shipped. send cash, or an international money order.
Sam [sg552.2@gmail.com]

LCI Cover from bpatza at RFC:
Shipment once per wk. Preferred payment money order, others excepted, no problem so far.
Send payment with request to Bruce patza, N863 lawn Rd, Seymour WI. 54165.
Regular stainless steel, $18.00 with tracking $19.00
Beadblasted stainless, $19.00 " " $20.00
Hot Blued carbon steel, $21.00 " " $22.00
Shipping to the lower 48 encluded
Set screw, allen wrench, 220 gr. alum.oxide for minor fitting, instruction info. encluded.
please add your contact information so I can contact you if there is a problem or question with your order
Just a note, bead blasted is NOT a factory finish on ruger MKs. It is an aftermarket finish.
Matte blued for the new ruger barrel is ready to go for$22 or $23 with tracking

Wolf 5.7 · 10-31-2011, 12:26 PM

To Clarify things a Bit. I have a .22 rifle (M&P-15-22)

Carver I do have a 45 ACP. I apologize if my post was confusing, I should never not sleep and post.

Gun Nut and CHW, Are those pistols good? I hate the looks of them, which lead me to want something that looks like a Semi-Auto, instead of a 1950's ray gun.

Jack, How much will a EAA Witness cost? Is there a 10mm kit that converts to 22 if I go with one?

TheGunClinger · 10-31-2011, 12:43 PM

I'd go with the Marlin Guide in a heartbeat. I have the full size but would really like to have a Guide 45/70.

American Leader · 10-31-2011, 08:56 PM

Based on what you have said, go for the Guide Gun, it will be a wonderful addition to your collection.

View Poll Results: Which one should I go with?
S&W M&P 22	0	0%
Other .22	1	16.67%
.327 Mag or Governor	0	0%
45/70 Guide gun	5	83.33%
Voters: 6. You may not vote on this poll

10-31-2011, 04:27 AM	#1
Wolf 5.7 V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 68	Help me out o/ All, I didn't know where to post this question, so I thought I would start here (Mods just tell me where you move the thread.) I have scrounged up a little bit extra and decided to by a new Firearm. Now comes the hard part. Which one to get? I have roughly 600 Dollars to spend. M&P 22 pistol. Every S&W firearm I have bought I have loved, and the ergonomics is Similar to my sd9. Another .22 Cal Pistol. I've handled some 700 dollar Kimber .22 and a mosquito. Hated them both. Walther any good? I've read they are total junk. Or Go a different Direction entirely and go for a S&W Governor or a .327 Mag. Last Choice, a 45/70 govt guide gun by Marlin. I'm interested in a .22 Cal pistol for the economics of it. You can't beat .22LR For the price. I would be interested in the Governor or .327 mag for SD. Plus I have a load of .45ACP. As for the Guide gun, I just like them. .45/70 is a beast of a bullet, and I would like to have a reliable hunting weapon. Your thoughts and advice is much appreciated. -->

10-31-2011, 05:00 AM	#2
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Help me out ok question back what dont you have , or what do you have if you have shot guns and CF rifle , time for a .22 but looks like you got 22, do you have big CF rifle then the .45/70 looks good i bought a EAA Witness ( tangfolio ) in .40 ( all i can have legal here ) with the .22 kit ( shoots .22 and .40 S&W why not look at the .45 /.22 version .. the .22 kit i can shoot 2" with all day!!

10-31-2011, 06:37 AM	#3
CHW2021 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 467	Re: Help me out First, decide what you want to spend your money on. Second, decide what you want to buy ammo for. Third, if you want a .22 pistol, look at the Ruger mark 2 or the Browning Buckmark. Having said that, there are many fine .22 pistols about, look at the local paper or pawnshops if you are familiar enough to be comfortable doing so. I have the opinion that the .22 is the all around best training tool for marksmanship; the low price of ammo is just a bonus. If you do not have one, you definitely need one.

10-31-2011, 07:39 AM	#4
gun-nut Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: ohio Contributor Posts: 931	Re: Help me out I agree with the Ruger markII !! Fast shooter and fun! I have one and for the money that they are you can still buy a butt load of ammo. I bought mine new and it took CCI Stingers to break in the slide spring before it would run any rem. or win. ammo. __________________ Don't retreat just reload.

10-31-2011, 07:53 AM	#5
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,280	Re: Help me out I'm a bit confused about what you have right now, and what you don't have. But it seems that you already have a .22 pistol. You stated that you have a load of .45's, so I have to assume that you have a pistol to shoot them in. So I voted for the 45/70. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

10-31-2011, 12:23 PM	#6
herohog V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 453	Re: Help me out Get a Ruger 22/45 and add the VQ kit and be happy! Here is mine and what I put in it and the cost for it all. It is a KILLER gun now that I wouldn't trade for the world! *NOTE:* Be sure to get the Replaceable Grip Panel model! 22/45 MK-III Target Model Volquartsen: Exact Edge Extractor, SureStrike Firing Pin, Target hammer, Target sear, Target trigger w/ over-travel screw, return trigger plunger spring and polished plunger, V-Comp Compensator, Titanium Disconnecter. Mag disconnect removed using Sam's hammer bushing and I installed bpatza @ rimfirecentral.com's Loaded Chamber Indicator (LCI) Cover. Grips and Mag Bumpers by TechTeach @ rimfirecentral.com Dominic.Notaro@csinet.net Hammer bushing from Sam Lam @ rimfirecentral.com sg552.2@gmail.com Cocking Handle by Brian Alcaraz, bjtraz@swbell.net @ rimfirecentral.com I Throated her and polished the feed ramp too. The trigger is MUCH lighter and breaks nice and clean with NO creep and no over-travel. Once I adjusted the take-up as far as I could and still get reliable reset I am left with about 1/32" take-up before you feel resistance then she breaks like glass at maybe a pounds pressure! I doubt I will be making any changes to the setup from this point on other than a special set of grips I have coming! I have a total of only $258.43 in her not counting the original cost of the gun and Red Dot which was $350 so the total investment is $608.43 and well worth every penny to me! Volquartsen: VC2DN MKII/MKIII TITANIUM DISCONNECTOR, 7.50 S&H SHIPPING & HANDLING, 9.95 Product: Volquartsen Accurizing Kit MK III - Silver Product Code: VC3AK-S Price: $92.50 Product: Volquartsen Bolt Tune-Up Kit Ruger MKI, MKII, MKIII Product Code: VC3FE Price: $27.95 orders@bullseyegear.com: 1505GH, Ruger Stainless Steel V-Comp Muzzle Break, $49.99 Shipping cost, $5.99 bjtraz's Slide Racker, brian@alcaraz.org bjtraz @ RFC 22/45 $33.00 shipped. Grips and Mag Bumpers by TechTeach @ rimfirecentral.com Dominic.Notaro@csinet.net Sam's (sg552-2) Hammer Bushing: $10US Shipped. send cash, or an international money order. Sam [sg552.2@gmail.com] LCI Cover from bpatza at RFC: Shipment once per wk. Preferred payment money order, others excepted, no problem so far. Send payment with request to Bruce patza, N863 lawn Rd, Seymour WI. 54165. Regular stainless steel, $18.00 with tracking $19.00 Beadblasted stainless, $19.00 " " $20.00 Hot Blued carbon steel, $21.00 " " $22.00 Shipping to the lower 48 encluded Set screw, allen wrench, 220 gr. alum.oxide for minor fitting, instruction info. encluded. please add your contact information so I can contact you if there is a problem or question with your order Just a note, bead blasted is NOT a factory finish on ruger MKs. It is an aftermarket finish. Matte blued for the new ruger barrel is ready to go for$22 or $23 with tracking __________________ Speedy: Pres, NW Chapter, League VP of Louisiana Open Carry Awareness League AKA: Hero Hog, Dr. Speed, "The Brass Mangler" and "That fat, old, balding, Grey-bearded gimpy guy" NRA, LSA, USN-DAV *Winning and getting the prize aren't the same it would appear... TWICE!*

10-31-2011, 12:26 PM	#7
Wolf 5.7 V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 68	Re: Help me out To Clarify things a Bit. I have a .22 rifle (M&P-15-22) Carver I do have a 45 ACP. I apologize if my post was confusing, I should never not sleep and post. Gun Nut and CHW, Are those pistols good? I hate the looks of them, which lead me to want something that looks like a Semi-Auto, instead of a 1950's ray gun. Jack, How much will a EAA Witness cost? Is there a 10mm kit that converts to 22 if I go with one?

10-31-2011, 12:43 PM	#8
TheGunClinger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: SW Florida Contributor Posts: 2,383	Re: Help me out I'd go with the Marlin Guide in a heartbeat. I have the full size but would really like to have a Guide 45/70. __________________ New England Patriots Rule Next year.

10-31-2011, 08:56 PM	#9
American Leader Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,630	Re: Help me out Based on what you have said, go for the Guide Gun, it will be a wonderful addition to your collection.