Need Load Data for .45 using Berry's 230 plated bullets - The Firearms Forum

johnnybocce · 10-01-2012, 09:24 PM

Hey Guys,
Wondered if anyone can advise on a proven recipe for .45ACP, using Berry's plated 230 grain bullets. I would like to use Bullseye powder. Would 5 grains be a bit heavy. Also would like to hear recipes for Unique and PowerPistol powder
Will be shooting a Glock 21 and a Kimber 1911
Thanks

johnnybocce · 10-01-2012, 09:58 PM

Hey Guys,
Wondered if anyone can advise on a proven recipe for .45ACP, using Berry's plated 230 grain bullets. I would like to use Bullseye powder. Would 5 grains be a bit heavy. Also would like to hear recipes for Unique and PowerPistol powder
Will be shooting a Glock 21 and a Kimber 1911
Thanks

JLA · 10-01-2012, 10:04 PM

5 gr is a good load.. one I use myself both with cast lead and jacketed 230 grainers indescriminantly. It is one of Mike Venturinos 2 loads that he uses foir all his 230 gr .45ACP shooting. His other load is also one i use. 5.4 gr W231 with the same bullets.

Another load I developed myself with the same bullets yet again is 4.5 gr Titegroup.

All 3 loads work very well with any 230 gr bullet.

johnnybocce · 10-01-2012, 10:14 PM

JLA
Thanks for the information. I will definitely try the Bullseye and TiteGroup recipes.
Really appreciate the advice this site furnishes.

JLA · 10-01-2012, 10:15 PM

Best part is none of them are MAX loads. all 3 are right about mid range for a 230 gr bullet in a .45ACP

gandog56 · 10-01-2012, 10:29 PM

You are usually pretty safe using lead recipes, but Lee's Modern Reloading does have plated bullet bullet recipes. Unfortunately they have none for 230 grain plated .45. I wonder if Berry's came out with them after they published? The only plated .45 they have is 185 grains.

johnnybocce · 10-01-2012, 10:34 PM

Hey JLA, can you explain to me the difference, with regard to using the proper recipe, of a .230 grain plated such as a Berry's bullet, and a 230 grain tmj, or a fmj, or a lead cast, all being the same weight. Thanks

JLA · 10-01-2012, 10:46 PM

Lead generally uses more powder than a jacketed bullet to get the same velocity and pressure. this is because of bullet hardness and friction between the bullet and bore. Plated bullets generally are best used with cast lead data, though Berrys advises users to load them over jacketed bullet data. To err on the side of safety no doubt.

TMJ stand for Total Metal Jacket and is the only type of projectile allowed in lead free indoor ranges. FMJ is Full Metal Jacket and is very similar to the TMJ with the exception that FMJ generally has exposed lead at the base. Cast lead is bare cast lead. Loaded with good loads they will all put .45 cal holes in the target.

johnnybocce · 10-01-2012, 11:12 PM

JLA
Again thanks for the information and your time.

PanhandlePop · 10-02-2012, 11:33 AM

FWIW, my Glock 30 does not function well with loads in the start range, but mid-range loads run fine. My 1911s OTOH always function fine with light loads. I haven't used PP for 45 loads, but there is plenty of reload information for Unique--you should have a manual that will give you a good start and check out the Hodgden web site for their load suggestions. I like Unique fine for loads that are mid-range and up, but with lighter loads it doesn't seem to burn completely.

Finally, work your loads up in batches of 10-20 to find what works best in the guns you are shooting. It is never fun to have to pull a bunch of bullets when you find that the load you worked on didn't meet your (or your gun's) expectations.

judgecrater · 10-05-2012, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnybocce

JLA
Again thanks for the information and your time.

Remember that recipes without OAL are meaningless. OAL determines pressure just a surely as bullet and powder weight.

gandog56 · 02-28-2013, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PanhandlePop

FWIW, my Glock 30 does not function well with loads in the start range, but mid-range loads run fine. My 1911s OTOH always function fine with light loads. I haven't used PP for 45 loads, but there is plenty of reload information for Unique--you should have a manual that will give you a good start and check out the Hodgden web site for their load suggestions. I like Unique fine for loads that are mid-range and up, but with lighter loads it doesn't seem to burn completely.

Finally, work your loads up in batches of 10-20 to find what works best in the guns you are shooting. It is never fun to have to pull a bunch of bullets when you find that the load you worked on didn't meet your (or your gun's) expectations.

Your problem is caused by owning a GLOCK in the first place! Always felt like I was holding a brick with a piece of welding pipe protruding from the bottom at a bad angle! Hope you put in a Lone Wolf barrel so you get no "KABOOM"!

Just yanking your chain, but I have yet to ever hold ANY model Glock that felt good in my hand.

A 1911, now there's a different story. My hand LIKES those!

cpttango30 · 03-01-2013, 08:14 AM

I shoot 200gr platted bullets and found 5gr of titegroup to be spot on for accuracy and recoil in my Kimber.

gandog56 · 03-12-2013, 02:23 PM

I think as long as the velocity is below 1200 fps, any recipe, lead or jacketed recipe is good for copper plated bullets. 1200 fps limit was suggested by Berry.

cpttango30 · 03-12-2013, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gandog56

I think as long as the velocity is below 1200 fps, any recipe, lead or jacketed recipe is good for copper plated bullets. 1200 fps limit was suggested by Berry.

I would stay below 1200 fps as well.

JLA · 03-12-2013, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cpttango30

I shoot 200gr platted bullets and found 5gr of titegroup to be spot on for accuracy and recoil in my Kimber.

spot on Cpt. I myself like 200 gr LSWC and 5.1 gr Titegroup. I can waller the center out of the target with my 1911.

Caneman · 03-13-2013, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by gandog56

Just yanking your chain, but I have yet to ever hold ANY model Glock that felt good in my hand.

A 1911, now there's a different story. My hand LIKES those!

have you tried a G20? big ole fatty grip

Ace1911 · 03-13-2013, 09:58 PM

I use AA#5 for 230G Berry's Plated...I use 8.0G and that is a fine mid-range for me for the XDm/S , 1911, Glock21...works for me

gandog56 · 03-16-2013, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Caneman

have you tried a G20? big ole fatty grip

That's the PROBLEM. I have a small, short fingered hand. Any Glock just feels too bulky for my taste.

kostnerave · 03-21-2013, 12:12 PM

Have been shooting 230 lead and plated over 5.2 gr. of W231 with good results. Kimbers and G-36 and Colts like them.

10-01-2012, 09:24 PM	#1
johnnybocce Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 32	Need Load Data for .45 using Berry's 230 plated bullets Hey Guys, Wondered if anyone can advise on a proven recipe for .45ACP, using Berry's plated 230 grain bullets. I would like to use Bullseye powder. Would 5 grains be a bit heavy. Also would like to hear recipes for Unique and PowerPistol powder Will be shooting a Glock 21 and a Kimber 1911 Thanks --> Last edited by johnnybocce; 10-01-2012 at 09:56 PM.. Reason: Clarify

10-01-2012, 09:58 PM	#2
johnnybocce Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 32	Re: Need Load Data for .45 using Berry's 230 plated bullets Hey Guys, Wondered if anyone can advise on a proven recipe for .45ACP, using Berry's plated 230 grain bullets. I would like to use Bullseye powder. Would 5 grains be a bit heavy. Also would like to hear recipes for Unique and PowerPistol powder Will be shooting a Glock 21 and a Kimber 1911 Thanks

10-01-2012, 10:04 PM	#3
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,320	Re: Need Load Data for .45 using Berry's 230 plated bullets 5 gr is a good load.. one I use myself both with cast lead and jacketed 230 grainers indescriminantly. It is one of Mike Venturinos 2 loads that he uses foir all his 230 gr .45ACP shooting. His other load is also one i use. 5.4 gr W231 with the same bullets. Another load I developed myself with the same bullets yet again is 4.5 gr Titegroup. All 3 loads work very well with any 230 gr bullet. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

10-01-2012, 10:14 PM	#4
johnnybocce Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 32	Re: Need Load Data for .45 using Berry's 230 plated bullets JLA Thanks for the information. I will definitely try the Bullseye and TiteGroup recipes. Really appreciate the advice this site furnishes.

10-01-2012, 10:29 PM	#6
gandog56 V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mobile AL. Posts: 325	Re: Need Load Data for .45 using Berry's 230 plated bullets You are usually pretty safe using lead recipes, but Lee's Modern Reloading does have plated bullet bullet recipes. Unfortunately they have none for 230 grain plated .45. I wonder if Berry's came out with them after they published? The only plated .45 they have is 185 grains.

10-01-2012, 10:15 PM	#5
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,320	Re: Need Load Data for .45 using Berry's 230 plated bullets Best part is none of them are MAX loads. all 3 are right about mid range for a 230 gr bullet in a .45ACP __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

10-01-2012, 10:34 PM	#7
johnnybocce Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 32	Re: Need Load Data for .45 using Berry's 230 plated bullets Hey JLA, can you explain to me the difference, with regard to using the proper recipe, of a .230 grain plated such as a Berry's bullet, and a 230 grain tmj, or a fmj, or a lead cast, all being the same weight. Thanks

10-01-2012, 10:46 PM	#8
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,320	Re: Need Load Data for .45 using Berry's 230 plated bullets Lead generally uses more powder than a jacketed bullet to get the same velocity and pressure. this is because of bullet hardness and friction between the bullet and bore. Plated bullets generally are best used with cast lead data, though Berrys advises users to load them over jacketed bullet data. To err on the side of safety no doubt. TMJ stand for Total Metal Jacket and is the only type of projectile allowed in lead free indoor ranges. FMJ is Full Metal Jacket and is very similar to the TMJ with the exception that FMJ generally has exposed lead at the base. Cast lead is bare cast lead. Loaded with good loads they will all put .45 cal holes in the target. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

10-01-2012, 11:12 PM	#9
johnnybocce Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 32	Re: Need Load Data for .45 using Berry's 230 plated bullets JLA Again thanks for the information and your time.

10-02-2012, 11:33 AM	#10
PanhandlePop V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 253	Re: Need Load Data for .45 using Berry's 230 plated bullets FWIW, my Glock 30 does not function well with loads in the start range, but mid-range loads run fine. My 1911s OTOH always function fine with light loads. I haven't used PP for 45 loads, but there is plenty of reload information for Unique--you should have a manual that will give you a good start and check out the Hodgden web site for their load suggestions. I like Unique fine for loads that are mid-range and up, but with lighter loads it doesn't seem to burn completely. Finally, work your loads up in batches of 10-20 to find what works best in the guns you are shooting. It is never fun to have to pull a bunch of bullets when you find that the load you worked on didn't meet your (or your gun's) expectations.

03-01-2013, 08:14 AM	#13
cpttango30 Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stafford, VA Contributor Posts: 3,071	Re: Need Load Data for .45 using Berry's 230 plated bullets I shoot 200gr platted bullets and found 5gr of titegroup to be spot on for accuracy and recoil in my Kimber.

03-12-2013, 02:23 PM	#14
gandog56 V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mobile AL. Posts: 325	Re: Need Load Data for .45 using Berry's 230 plated bullets I think as long as the velocity is below 1200 fps, any recipe, lead or jacketed recipe is good for copper plated bullets. 1200 fps limit was suggested by Berry.

03-13-2013, 09:58 PM	#18
Ace1911 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: San Antonio Posts: 90	Re: Need Load Data for .45 using Berry's 230 plated bullets I use AA#5 for 230G Berry's Plated...I use 8.0G and that is a fine mid-range for me for the XDm/S , 1911, Glock21...works for me

03-21-2013, 12:12 PM	#20
kostnerave V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Kommifornia Posts: 77	Re: Need Load Data for .45 using Berry's 230 plated bullets Have been shooting 230 lead and plated over 5.2 gr. of W231 with good results. Kimbers and G-36 and Colts like them.