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soundguy · 10-01-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by markfh

Why bother getting one. Just get the gear. If SHTF happens who's gonna ask for your license? Just saying.

studying to get the license teaches you essentially how the system works.

what bands are voice.. what bands are code.. etc.

also teaches you the lingo so you can understand others.

the abbreviated codes are there and used for a reason.. knowingthem would be helpfull.

knowing if you were on a mc only band would help.

the call sign itself tells you much as well. 1st letter gives you an idea of the location or world region you have been worked from ( A K N W .. etc.. )

call sign layout lets you know somethng about the person you communicte with.. their skil llevel and band privelege..e tc.

it's fine having the gear and play cb cowboy and saying breaker breaker when there is no FCC.. but actually usingthe gear and getting the most out of it comes from a lil bit of reading and learning... if you are going that far.. might as well pay the couple bucks and get your ticket.. it's good for 10ys before you renew.. cheap to renew and you don't have to test again..e tc...

markfh · 10-01-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by soundguy

studying to get the license teaches you essentially how the system works.

what bands are voice.. what bands are code.. etc.

also teaches you the lingo so you can understand others.

the abbreviated codes are there and used for a reason.. knowingthem would be helpfull.

knowing if you were on a mc only band would help.

the call sign itself tells you much as well. 1st letter gives you an idea of the location or world region you have been worked from ( A K N W .. etc.. )

call sign layout lets you know somethng about the person you communicte with.. their skil llevel and band privelege..e tc.

it's fine having the gear and play cb cowboy and saying breaker breaker when there is no FCC.. but actually usingthe gear and getting the most out of it comes from a lil bit of reading and learning... if you are going that far.. might as well pay the couple bucks and get your ticket.. it's good for 10ys before you renew.. cheap to renew and you don't have to test again..e tc...

Sounds reasonable enough.

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aa1911 · 10-01-2012, 03:38 PM

Used to mettle in the HAM radio years ago, haven't done much with it lately though.

The CB has no requirements for licensing whatsoever though,

You do not need an individual license to operate a CB station. You are authorized by this rule to operate your CB station in accordance with the rules stated in this Subpart. <*also read Rule 17>

#17

{A} You need NOT identify your CB communications...
{B} You are ENCOURAGED to identify your CB communications by any of the following means:
[1] Previously assigned FCC CB call sign
[2] K prefix followed by operators initials and residence zip code
[3] Your name;
or
[4] Description of your organization including name and any applicable operator unit number
{C} You are encouraged to use a "handle" (nickname) ONLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH the methods of identification listed above in paragraph B of this section.

http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/citi...and-cb-service

A HAM license would be good for general information and has more capability depending on what frequency you use but the HAM doesn't cover the CB frequency range correct?

CB is just very common and useful for most folks; a lot of 4wheel drive folks use them on the trail as cell reception is not an option most places ya wheel.

I used the 2 meter band (148MHz) but that's it. I was able to talk with a guy in FL from my home state of PA, that was the longest shot I've made with it. With an old Icom handheld no less (using a local repeater station though).

Alpo · 10-01-2012, 03:56 PM

The stuff that sticks in your memory. I can't remember what I had for supper last night, by my CB license is KBLP7350, and I haven't used that since 1980.

targetacqmgt · 10-01-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by soundguy

studying to get the license teaches you essentially how the system works.

what bands are voice.. what bands are code.. etc.

also teaches you the lingo so you can understand others.

the abbreviated codes are there and used for a reason.. knowingthem would be helpfull.

knowing if you were on a mc only band would help.

the call sign itself tells you much as well. 1st letter gives you an idea of the location or world region you have been worked from ( A K N W .. etc.. )

call sign layout lets you know somethng about the person you communicte with.. their skil llevel and band privelege..e tc.

it's fine having the gear and play cb cowboy and saying breaker breaker when there is no FCC.. but actually usingthe gear and getting the most out of it comes from a lil bit of reading and learning... if you are going that far.. might as well pay the couple bucks and get your ticket.. it's good for 10ys before you renew.. cheap to renew and you don't have to test again..e tc...

Good sound comformitive clear understandable communications is a basic need for cooridinated military defense AND logistics.

soundguy · 10-02-2012, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by aa1911

I used the 2 meter band (148MHz)

As you know, that band would cover 144 - 148 mhz

just putting that out there for the others..

carver · 10-02-2012, 07:37 AM

Ham, or CB, radios won't do me any good. Got no way to power them! If I could create power, it wouldn't be enough to do anything with. I might could listen, but not broadcast futher that down the road.

soundguy · 10-02-2012, 08:22 AM

solar cell and battery would do it... doesn't even have to be a big cell.. could be a small sell scavenged off of some solar appliance in correct votlage range. ( electric fence charger, electric gate opener.. rv charger, car bat maintainer.. etc... )

cb or ham antenna mounted in a tree top should hit some decent range.

1LoneWolf75 · 10-02-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ShawnDow

Back to EMP... some one talked about shielding / hardening of wires... I checked out one of my co workers mil-surplus trucks.. granted its diesel... all wiring is shielded with brass mesh then stainless braiding... grounded at the ends, and near terminals they have metal plates covering them. I told you Id look...

I have given this some thought and I'm a fairly mechanically competent man. So my idea is that OLD diesels ran with a carb and mechanical fuel pump, had a valve in fuel line and had to run outta fuel to shut off. Older non computer vehicles(<<<<<avatar) could theoretically run on it or a blend of gas and diesel to thin and give lower ignition temp. The hardest part would be startin em without a battery. Mines an old 4 speed just have to get it to a hill thats long enough and run it down it till it hits. Without a turbo on it the cylinder pressure shouldn't blow the heads off (80's chevy 350 diesels had a few). You would be ok till you ran outta fuel. Now you would also need a mechanical temp gauge and a mechanical oil pressure gauge. Don't want to over heat or run to low or high on pressure.
Just my thoughts on it.

soundguy · 10-03-2012, 06:51 AM

carb? carb makes me think spark ignition... are you talking about an old tvo setup.. perhaps one tht starts on gas and then switches to tvo, diesel or kerosene? or one that has a vaporising carb to strat directly on tvo or kerosene.. those that i have seen are spark ignition...

carver · 10-03-2012, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by soundguy

solar cell and battery would do it... doesn't even have to be a big cell.. could be a small sell scavenged off of some solar appliance in correct votlage range. ( electric fence charger, electric gate opener.. rv charger, car bat maintainer.. etc... )

cb or ham antenna mounted in a tree top should hit some decent range.

If I had a tower 50 feet tall, and was trying to opperate a CB, I might get out to 15 - 20 miles. Might get some skip, but with only a battery, I wouldn't have enough power to talk very far at all. Same thing with the Ham radio, but with cleaner channels, and less interferance I could talk a little further. Radios that "Talk" need a linear to power them up. A cheap linear designed to key up with the final 3 watts from a CB radio, or Ham radio, will give you about 200 watts final output. Now I can talk about 50 miles under ideal conditions.

time2shoot · 10-03-2012, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ShawnDow

Now.. If I just had some one in MI that had my back like you have his!

68c15 is some one who I met on here, and have ben to the range with manny times. This is somthing we have talked about.
Once again will be glad to have ya Shoulder to shoulder.
And we both train our kids at the range. mine have there own handguns and rifles. the 3 year old and the 5 year old ar the only two in this house who don't.

Try to find some one from on here. you have better odds if you can have some one willing to stand with you.

soundguy · 10-03-2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by carver

If I had a tower 50 feet tall, and was trying to opperate a CB, I might get out to 15 - 20 miles. Might get some skip, but with only a battery, I wouldn't have enough power to talk very far at all. Same thing with the Ham radio, but with cleaner channels, and less interferance I could talk a little further. Radios that "Talk" need a linear to power them up. A cheap linear designed to key up with the final 3 watts from a CB radio, or Ham radio, will give you about 200 watts final output. Now I can talk about 50 miles under ideal conditions.

sorry.. but that's mostly incorrect!

I'm a ham operator..

DE Ke4rrd

My mobile rig is a 50w icom 12v unit mounted in my truck. I can work all over this country and beyond. ( with larger antenna ) I have a 'linear' amp as well. with skip.. no problem working stuff 'on the other side'

for cb.. if you have a clear line.. figure a rule of thumb of about 1w per mile depending on what gear the other guy has.

ps.. gear on 12v, and a charged car battery can 'work' quite a bit. 200w drain on a 12v bat is a 16ah deal. cheap walmart car battery will do that for qite a while. PLENTY of talk time. you are acting like you are gonna get 5 words out after you key up the mic... just ain't so..

BTDT got the qsl to prove it..

73's

1LoneWolf75 · 10-03-2012, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by soundguy

carb? carb makes me think spark ignition... are you talking about an old tvo setup.. perhaps one tht starts on gas and then switches to tvo, diesel or kerosene? or one that has a vaporising carb to strat directly on tvo or kerosene.. those that i have seen are spark ignition...

I was mainly thinkin of the basics here. You know air flow picks up the fuel then as yer rollin down hill you pop the clutch and eventually you'll get enough heat or pressure to fire. Just purely theoretical. I don't know how well it would work and haven't done that much research on how the early diesels worked. I think Mr. Diesel used a carb, I know he used veggie or peanut oil. This way no spark is needed. I plan on lookin in to it some more.

1LoneWolf75 · 10-04-2012, 10:24 PM

Ok after lookin more I realize that after you got a gas to build the heat and pressure nessesary it might work but like I said its theoretical. In other words you'd have to be desperate to try this. If anyone has done somethin similar please let the rest of us know so we can be prepared with a junker and bulk diesel.

carver · 10-05-2012, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by soundguy

sorry.. but that's mostly incorrect!

I'm a ham operator..

DE Ke4rrd

My mobile rig is a 50w icom 12v unit mounted in my truck. I can work all over this country and beyond. ( with larger antenna ) I have a 'linear' amp as well. with skip.. no problem working stuff 'on the other side'

for cb.. if you have a clear line.. figure a rule of thumb of about 1w per mile depending on what gear the other guy has.

ps.. gear on 12v, and a charged car battery can 'work' quite a bit. 200w drain on a 12v bat is a 16ah deal. cheap walmart car battery will do that for qite a while. PLENTY of talk time. you are acting like you are gonna get 5 words out after you key up the mic... just ain't so..

BTDT got the qsl to prove it..

73's

And I've used CB radios since the '70's. Don't know that much about HAM, but there isn't a lot you can tell me about operating CB's that I don't know. I do know that the HAM radios operate on different frequencies than CB. Much cleaner frequencies! Allowing a HAM radio to talk much further than a CB using the same power. What I said was that I would need a linear on a CB to talk further than 15 - 20 miles, with the 3 watt final output. You just stated that you are running a 50 watt output on your HAM radio, and you have the advantage of using much cleaner frequencies than a CB operator would have. You also stated that you have a linear for those times you need to talk a little further! Your "rule of thumb of about 1w per mile" is correct for FIRS radios, but that isn't CB frequencies! I've shot skip, bare foot, with a CB, and 1/4 wave ground plane! So how is it that what I posted was "mostly incorrect"?

soundguy · 10-05-2012, 09:56 AM

i'll call it a (my)misunderstanding of phrasing. with the clarification you just made.. I'd agree with you on the ranges of the cb, pre / post amp.

carver · 10-05-2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by soundguy

i'll call it a (my)misunderstanding of phrasing. with the clarification you just made.. I'd agree with you on the ranges of the cb, pre / post amp.

Not a problem! It's hard, sometimes, to convey an idea when all you have is the printed word, and I'm not the best at that. Then, sometimes, it's not easy to understand an idea when all you have is the printed word form someone that isn't the best at that! If you, and I, were sitting togeather exchanging ideas, things would go a lot smoother! Maybe that could be arranged! I have a son in Key Largo.

soundguy · 10-05-2012, 02:34 PM

key largo.. reminds me of my favorite song. the 'hit' bertie higgins had. I actually had a chance to run sound for bertie and his band of pirates at an outdoor festival a decade back.. neat guy... his ?brother?.. not so much..

45silverback · 10-05-2012, 04:05 PM

We're all tough guys 'till the lights really go out. How many of you have had to actually live with what's in front of you? (Current and Ex GI's who actually saw a little can disregard this question)

soundguy · 10-05-2012, 10:25 PM

not sure what to make of your question.

I like primitive camping. IE.. hike out into nature with a backpack and large knife.. hike back in a week later.

build your own sleeping nests.. etc.

some of us live on farms. some of us lived on farms with no power.

i'm sure plenty of people can make it if they plan and try..

1LoneWolf75 · 10-05-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by soundguy

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some of us live on farms. some of us lived on farms with no power.

i'm sure plenty of people can make it if they plan and try..

I currently am back on a farm

. My folks farm can lose power at the slightest wind, did when I lived there anyway. They went 2 weeks without power back in '02 and said when it came back that they kinda liked not havin it. I don't know how many could do an extended stay without. If shtf I think about 50%will die off in the first year due to inability to survive, disease, famine, etc. About half of whats left will probably die off in fights fer food and territory. I might be wrong but Mother don't suffer the weak or foolish.

carver · 10-06-2012, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by soundguy

not sure what to make of your question.

I like primitive camping. IE.. hike out into nature with a backpack and large knife.. hike back in a week later.

build your own sleeping nests.. etc.

some of us live on farms. some of us lived on farms with no power.

i'm sure plenty of people can make it if they plan and try..

I'm old enough, and country enough, to remember those days. No electricity, no indoor plumbing, no indoor sewage system, no gas, or propane, no washing machine, no TV, we did have a radio. The phone was a party line, and we thought that because of the phone modern technology was great! And gasoline was $0.199 a gallon. We used sand from the creek, water, and clorine bleach, along with a home made broom, to scrub the rough cut plank floors. Washed our cloths in a wash pot over a fire, and had to haul our drinking/cooking water from the neighbors well. And yes, those were the good old days!

jack404 · 10-06-2012, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 45silverback

We're all tough guys 'till the lights really go out. How many of you have had to actually live with what's in front of you? (Current and Ex GI's who actually saw a little can disregard this question)

http://freetrappers.org.au/

theres only 12 veterans in this group of just over 1800 across 4 states here

the west have there own version another 1400 folks or so just 2 groups in Australia

take a look at their links ( lots o US folks )

you'd be surprised i reckon , if you took a look

10-01-2012, 03:38 PM	#103
aa1911 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,115	Re: When "IT" happens (what ever IT may be) Used to mettle in the HAM radio years ago, haven't done much with it lately though. The CB has no requirements for licensing whatsoever though, You do not need an individual license to operate a CB station. You are authorized by this rule to operate your CB station in accordance with the rules stated in this Subpart. <*also read Rule 17> #17 {A} You need NOT identify your CB communications... {B} You are ENCOURAGED to identify your CB communications by any of the following means: [1] Previously assigned FCC CB call sign [2] K prefix followed by operators initials and residence zip code [3] Your name; or [4] Description of your organization including name and any applicable operator unit number {C} You are encouraged to use a "handle" (nickname) ONLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH the methods of identification listed above in paragraph B of this section. http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/citi...and-cb-service A HAM license would be good for general information and has more capability depending on what frequency you use but the HAM doesn't cover the CB frequency range correct? CB is just very common and useful for most folks; a lot of 4wheel drive folks use them on the trail as cell reception is not an option most places ya wheel. I used the 2 meter band (148MHz) but that's it. I was able to talk with a guy in FL from my home state of PA, that was the longest shot I've made with it. With an old Icom handheld no less (using a local repeater station though). __________________ "Loud noises don't end gunfights.... well placed shots do."

10-01-2012, 03:56 PM	#104
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,662	Re: When "IT" happens (what ever IT may be) The stuff that sticks in your memory. I can't remember what I had for supper last night, by my CB license is KBLP7350, and I haven't used that since 1980. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

10-02-2012, 07:37 AM	#107
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,292	Re: When "IT" happens (what ever IT may be) Ham, or CB, radios won't do me any good. Got no way to power them! If I could create power, it wouldn't be enough to do anything with. I might could listen, but not broadcast futher that down the road. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

10-02-2012, 08:22 AM	#108
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,463	Re: When "IT" happens (what ever IT may be) solar cell and battery would do it... doesn't even have to be a big cell.. could be a small sell scavenged off of some solar appliance in correct votlage range. ( electric fence charger, electric gate opener.. rv charger, car bat maintainer.. etc... ) cb or ham antenna mounted in a tree top should hit some decent range.

10-03-2012, 06:51 AM	#110
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,463	Re: When "IT" happens (what ever IT may be) carb? carb makes me think spark ignition... are you talking about an old tvo setup.. perhaps one tht starts on gas and then switches to tvo, diesel or kerosene? or one that has a vaporising carb to strat directly on tvo or kerosene.. those that i have seen are spark ignition...

10-04-2012, 10:24 PM	#115
1LoneWolf75 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Humboldt KS Posts: 597	Re: When "IT" happens (what ever IT may be) Ok after lookin more I realize that after you got a gas to build the heat and pressure nessesary it might work but like I said its theoretical. In other words you'd have to be desperate to try this. If anyone has done somethin similar please let the rest of us know so we can be prepared with a junker and bulk diesel. __________________ They can have my guns when they pry them from my cold, dead hands!!! "Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who are not." - Thomas Jefferson "I've seen the system fall apart from the rules and all our presidents lie"--"Soul Survive"- Asphalt Ballethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6DgVrYWw00

10-05-2012, 09:56 AM	#117
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,463	Re: When "IT" happens (what ever IT may be) i'll call it a (my)misunderstanding of phrasing. with the clarification you just made.. I'd agree with you on the ranges of the cb, pre / post amp.

10-05-2012, 02:34 PM	#119
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,463	Re: When "IT" happens (what ever IT may be) key largo.. reminds me of my favorite song. the 'hit' bertie higgins had. I actually had a chance to run sound for bertie and his band of pirates at an outdoor festival a decade back.. neat guy... his ?brother?.. not so much..

10-05-2012, 04:05 PM	#120
45silverback V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 153	Re: When "IT" happens (what ever IT may be) We're all tough guys 'till the lights really go out. How many of you have had to actually live with what's in front of you? (Current and Ex GI's who actually saw a little can disregard this question) __________________ VR, Harry MSgt USAF (RET) Last edited by 45silverback; 10-05-2012 at 04:06 PM..

10-05-2012, 10:25 PM	#121
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,463	Re: When "IT" happens (what ever IT may be) not sure what to make of your question. I like primitive camping. IE.. hike out into nature with a backpack and large knife.. hike back in a week later. build your own sleeping nests.. etc. some of us live on farms. some of us lived on farms with no power. i'm sure plenty of people can make it if they plan and try..