.308 Savage or Remington?

[gun runner]

Im considering buying a .308 instead of a .338 lapua magnum due to the fact the ammo is kinda high for the .338

I just dont know which brand of guns. Im thinking on going with Savage but if so what model would you recommend? I want a wood stock but Id like to get one i can change the stock to a sniper stock or some kind of stock like used for professional competition shooting. Im also thinking about going with a Remington though. Which is more accurate?

Thanks.

[Airdale]

I would tend to go with the Savage only because they're easier to hot rod without the assistance of a smith. Take a look at their Law Enforcement series
(no wood stocks) they are pretty much put together for what you want (varment barrel contour, detachable mags. etc.). Take your time and be sure of what you want. http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/

I heard that Remington is supposed to becoming out with a long range model 700
but haven't seen it. You might want to check on that.

[srt 10 jimbo]

I picked up a Savage 10 and threw a Boyds stock on it along with a Nikon Pro-Staff. works great on the Hogs

[jbrescue]

You should be able to get a LE Savage for less than the 700. You will probably get a better shooting gun too.

[gun runner]

Thanks folks for the help, it helped out. I need to get a balance tommorow since I cant tonight since I been drinking a few beers . Im certainly going to research the .308 Savages. Im just concerned since Marlin got bought out by remington and the remlins been having trouble with people

[JLA]

Savage 10 or Rem 700.. Take your pick. I prefer savages but only because they are easier to rebarrel. from a nongunsmithing standpoint they are equals, performance wise, they are equals and the rem 700 is aesthetically more pleasing.

[HAGEN442]

Both are Great Rifless .

[GunHugger]

Originally Posted by gun runner

Thanks folks for the help, it helped out. I need to get a balance tommorow since I cant tonight since I been drinking a few beers . Im certainly going to research the .308 Savages. Im just concerned since Marlin got bought out by remington and the remlins been having trouble with people

Remington did not buy Marlin.

Remington, Marlin, H&R, Bushmaster, DPMS and a few others have been purchased by the Freedom Group.

I don't know all the facts about the Freedom Group. But I do know that as each company has been bought up by them they make major changes in those old American companies that usually results in lower quality and customer service for us and higher profits for the Freedom Group.

In my opinion (and many others too) Marlin, Remington, Bushmaster and others have gone down hill. The amount of complaints reported now is amazingly high. The price of used Pre-Freedom Group Marlin rifles have climbed high because people in the know do not want a new Marlin.

Remington has been importing guns that are stamped Remington. They aren't true American made quality guns. Their quality has also dropped too on their guns made here in my opinion.

I have been a big fan of both Marlin and Remington since the 1960's but I will not buy a new gun from either company. If I want a new Remington or Marlin I look for the far better quality USED older guns.

With all of that said...I would go with a Savage if I want a new gun or a used Remington made before the Freedom Group took over.

[gun runner]

Exactly, Im going to call around to get some prices on Savage .308 rifles.

[time2shoot]

Savage! You will love the acutriger.

[hardluk1]

Plus with savage , even with the bottom line stevens rifle you can over time upgrade ever part on it at home . They do also sell out of the box match grade rifles with there target series. remmy never did that.

Remington get the 700 p with 5r rifling and you are set.

[markfh]

Bought my second Savage, model 10/110 FCP HS Precision with 24" fluted and threaded barrel and 5r rifling. Slapped Ken Ferrel scope base and mounts on it and a SWFA SS10x42 scope. Set the Accutrigger at 1.5 Lbs and out of the box it shot 3/4 MOA with Black Hills Match.

Can I say more.

[old semperfi]

i have three older savage tactical 110 rifles,223,308,and 300 win mag.i purchased them a few years ago and the accuutrigger was not available.i install canjar trigger groups and have them all set at a little less than two pounds.i can shoot one inch groups or less all day long. nuff said? old semperfi

[gun runner]

I bought a brand new Savage 10 .308 , the thread should be around here with the picture of it

[hardluk1]

Gun runner Befor you order some fancey stock you may want visit a long range competition and see what shooters use in different class's. You will find stock looking rifles shooting 1" groups at 300 to 400 yards. With any extra money lay'n around spend it on a good front and rear rifle rest and scope. You may find you can shoot long range groups that far excede what you think is practical. When you feel you ready look for some fun match like an egg match around your area. But when you are ready for a step up in class shooting look at what mcmillian offers as they can cover most any design up to a heavy bench class along with triggers and barrel upgrades.

[targetacqmgt]

Originally Posted by GunHugger

Remington did not buy Marlin.

Remington, Marlin, H&R, Bushmaster, DPMS and a few others have been purchased by the Freedom Group.

I don't know all the facts about the Freedom Group. But I do know that as each company has been bought up by them they make major changes in those old American companies that usually results in lower quality and customer service for us and higher profits for the Freedom Group.

In my opinion (and many others too) Marlin, Remington, Bushmaster and others have gone down hill. The amount of complaints reported now is amazingly high. The price of used Pre-Freedom Group Marlin rifles have climbed high because people in the know do not want a new Marlin.

Remington has been importing guns that are stamped Remington. They aren't true American made quality guns. Their quality has also dropped too on their guns made here in my opinion.

I have been a big fan of both Marlin and Remington since the 1960's but I will not buy a new gun from either company. If I want a new Remington or Marlin I look for the far better quality USED older guns.

With all of that said...I would go with a Savage if I want a new gun or a used Remington made before the Freedom Group took over.

Ummmm when did 1)Freedom group purchase Remington and 2) when did they start importing rifles?? The reason I ask I am about to buy used Remington .308 that the fella purchased in Dec 2011. He only wants 275 and yes he is willing to give me a bill of sale.

[gun runner]

Originally Posted by hardluk1

Gun runner Befor you order some fancey stock you may want visit a long range competition and see what shooters use in different class's. You will find stock looking rifles shooting 1" groups at 300 to 400 yards. With any extra money lay'n around spend it on a good front and rear rifle rest and scope. You may find you can shoot long range groups that far excede what you think is practical. When you feel you ready look for some fun match like an egg match around your area. But when you are ready for a step up in class shooting look at what mcmillian offers as they can cover most any design up to a heavy bench class along with triggers and barrel upgrades.

Sounds like an idea. What do you think is the maximum distance you think for shooting tight groups with a .308 caliber even though these rifles can easily go over 3 miles? Someone said about 500-600 yards with a .223 but Id like to shoot some targets around the 1000-1500 yard range and if so what scope would you recommend to see where my shots are going at that distance without a spotting scope?

[targetacqmgt]

Originally Posted by gun runner

Sounds like an idea. What do you think is the maximum distance you think for shooting tight groups with a .308 caliber even though these rifles can easily go over 3 miles? Someone said about 500-600 yards with a .223 but Id like to shoot some targets around the 1000-1500 yard range and if so what scope would you recommend to see where my shots are going at that distance without a spotting scope?

A good set of milspec binoculars for you spotter in addition to whatever scope the fellas recommend

[gun runner]

Originally Posted by targetacqmgt

A good set of milspec binoculars for you spotter in addition to whatever scope the fellas recommend

You ever seen long range pursuit on the sportsman channel? I wonder what kind of scopes are they using?

[targetacqmgt]

Originally Posted by gun runner

You ever seen long range pursuit on the sportsman channel? I wonder what kind of scopes are they using?

Nope. However "long range" IMO is a relative term in urban combat max range 500 meters. A place like Afgan - a Canadian sniper got a kill at 2340 meters. The scopes they use are Unerti X10 or Kahlies Helios zf69 6X42 mounted on a parker hale 7.62 nato.

[Country101]

Originally Posted by targetacqmgt

Ummmm when did 1)Freedom group purchase Remington and 2) when did they start importing rifles??

[Country101]

A little searching found this(CCM is freedom group's owners):

In June 2007, a private equity firm, Cerberus Capital Management, acquired Remington Arms for $370 million, including $252 million in assumed debt. This happened because Remington was millions of dollars in debt and did not report a profit during the years 2003-2005.[7]

[targetacqmgt]

Originally Posted by Country101

A little searching found this(CCM is freedom group's owners):

In June 2007, a private equity firm, Cerberus Capital Management, acquired Remington Arms for $370 million, including $252 million in assumed debt. This happened because Remington was millions of dollars in debt and did not report a profit during the years 2003-2005.[7]

Thanks so I am getting a "newer' remington AFTER they were bought out-thus the 275 price. Well I will see what I can do with it.

[hardluk1]

gun runner 500 yards to 600 is something that may be pratical. The round is capible out to 1000 a5ds but how accurate it will shoot my not be what you hope for. Handloading with be a must at the langer yardage but you may find a national match load or even a some hunting loads that shoot well enought to enjoy.

If your wanting to play at 1000 yards a scope of atleast the level of the leupold target series or sightron s-III and a 20 or 30 mil scope base is needed and on up. But a 24 power will work out 500 and for egg matchs. - http://swfa.com/Sightron-8-32x56-SII...pe-P48422.aspx
http://swfa.com/Leupold-Competition-...opes-C108.aspx