Obama calls on Romney to tell the truth - The Firearms Forum

jack404 · 10-04-2012, 06:35 PM

oh please stop it

seriouisly my ribs are starting to hurt

BARACK Obama has demanded truth from the "real Mitt Romney" as aides promised a "hard look" at strategy after the US president's listless performance in the first White House debate.
Passionate, cutting and engaged, in stark comparison to his debate showing, Obama told 12,000 cheering supporters at a chilly lakeside rally in Denver that the Romney who turned up to their first head-to-head clash on Wednesday night was an impostor who had covered up unpopular positions.
"I met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be Mitt Romney," Obama said.
"It couldn't have been Mitt Romney because the real Mitt Romney has been running around the country for the last year, promising $5 trillion in tax cuts for the wealthy.
"The fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. The real Mitt Romney said we don't need any more teachers in our schools. The fellow on stage last night - he loves teachers, can't get enough of them.
"If you want to be president, you owe the American people the truth."
The president's feisty appearance represented a clear effort to shift the news cycle away from his stinking debate reviews and stall Romney's bid to create a comeback narrative following his unexpectedly strong showing.
Obama, who flew later to another rally in Wisconsin, seized on Romney's comment that he knew nothing about a tax break for companies that outsource jobs overseas, saying that if that was true, then the multi-millionaire former venture capitalist needed a new accountant.
"He seems to be doing just fine with his current accountant," he said, poking fun at Romney's complex offshore tax arrangements, which Democrats highlight to press the case he is indifferent to middle-class struggles.
About 40 million people watched Wednesday night's debate on television, according to preliminary figures by the Nielsen TV ratings service.
Romney basked in the plaudits for his performance as he addressed a fundraising event in Colorado before flying to Virginia, saying Americans had seen two contrasting visions for the future on stage in Denver.
The Republican challenger made a surprise appearance at the Conservative Political Action Conference, thrilling hundreds of attendees as he stepped on stage to join his sons who were scheduled guests.
"I know this is going to be a close-fought battle," Romney said.
"We need to win Colorado. You know what, if we do, we are going to win back the White House."
In his first public appearance since trumping Obama in the first of three one-on-one debates, the former Massachusetts governor pursued attacks on what he portrayed as the president's continuing expansion of government.
"I saw the president's vision as trickle-down government and I don't think that's what America believes in," Romney said. "I see instead a prosperity that comes through freedom."
Obama turned in a lethargic and sometimes irritable performance, allowing a pumped-up Romney an opening in a White House race that had been trending away from the Republican after weeks of gaffes.
The president's campaign team signalled that it understood Obama's performance was below par and promised a rethink before the next clash in New York state in two weeks time.
The question now is whether Romney's debate performance has changed the minds of enough wavering voters in key swing states to give the Republican challenger a real chance on November 6.
Opinion polls in the coming days will provide the first clues.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...#ixzz28NO6xumE

Iron Eagle · 10-04-2012, 06:42 PM

Obummer is an idiot. Without his speech writers, he looks like an moron.

steve4102 · 10-04-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Eagle

Obummer is an idiot. Without his speech writers, he looks like an moron.

Agreed, but he is still going to win in Nov. He has the MSM, ACORN and the R Paul nut jobs on his side. Should be an easy victory.

45silverback · 10-04-2012, 06:51 PM

No do-overs on a debate... Sorry done. You lost. The 47% are just a pissed as you are. The other 53 % knows you got your ass handed to you. Now get your damned thumb out of your mouth.

steve4102 · 10-04-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 45silverback

No do-overs on a debate... Sorry done. You lost. The 47% are just a pissed as you are. The other 53 % knows you got your ass handed to you. Now get your damned thumb out of your mouth.

And of that 53% a **** ton are "public employees". They will vote for the guy that will give them a raise and the guy their Union tells them to. That sure as hell ain't Romney.

Then of course we the R Paul nut jobs doing everything they can to split what is left of the Republican vote.

cycloneman · 10-04-2012, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by steve4102

And of that 53% a **** ton are "public employees". They will vote for the guy that will give them a raise and the guy their Union tells them to. That sure as hell ain't Romney.

Then of course we the R Paul nut jobs doing everything they can to split what is left of the Republican vote.

Faith is our shelter from the cold.

Stay the course.

Time to throw each outher a line.

CampingJosh · 10-04-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by steve4102

the R Paul nut jobs

All right, we get it. Now stop insulting other members.

jack404 · 10-04-2012, 08:32 PM

Steve , seen RP's actual policies ? only ones that actually have been worked out ,

the UFO stuff and other stuff aside, he's the most organised and fact based dude out there

but he's a lone guy , no team , can he play in a team ,?? to me these are the issues , if so get him on YOUR team for 2016 ( prez maybe not , but use his fact gathering and how he puts together viable plans as thats something lacking in the gov you have on both sides , you all use consultants now , RP uses industry itself ... )

i aint a real fan , but who is out there ?? seriously

use RP to bust NAFTA the UN all that junk , he'd be the bulldog you need , sec state something like that

tariffs , and use the money to fund real jobs , small business , not pie in the sky like the past

and slow down the imports that are sending you broke

but again make your own team for 2016 .. otherwise soro's will have another bunny lined up to be the great hope and change maker

gvw3 · 10-04-2012, 09:01 PM

Very good points Jack. Most people don't realize that tariffs funded the entire cost of the federal government up until the second world war. Everyone wants to go to Walmart and buy a shirt for $5 or a wide screen tv for $300. All made in China.

We don't need to bring our standard of living down to the Chinese. A 20% tariff on these products would pay off the national debt right away. It would boost American manufacturing over night. It would end all these problems.

You would pay more for products but everyone would be working and making a good living again.

Appliancedude · 10-04-2012, 09:38 PM

If Romney was smart

he'd have already promised Ron Paul Treasury Secretary. Or whatever position he can fill the best. I don't like RP but on fiscal matters, the guy is damned genius. That would also satisfy the RP nut jobs

. Sorry Josh couldn't resist

steve4102 · 10-05-2012, 07:12 AM

The RP Delegates acted like little babies and stormed out of the Convention. They didn't get what they wanted so they took their ball and went home. Pucking out the same threats and garbage, "Without US Romney will never win". They are Babies and they are proud that they have enough members to split the Republican vote enough for an Obama victory. They would rather see four more years of Obama then anyone but Ron Paul, anyone.

Nut Jobs may be to strong, I will call them Babies from now on.

steve4102 · 10-05-2012, 07:28 AM

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but again make your own team for 2016 .. otherwise soro's will have another bunny lined up to be the great hope and change maker

The RP Babies are doing everything they can to get Obama another 4. They are not team players and you cannot turn them into team players. It is all or nothing with them. Not only nothing, they will fight against you just to prove a point.
They will get what they want in 2012 and that is an Obama victory. Boy, I guess they showed us huh. Maybe next time we will do as they demand.
Problem is, with an Obama victory there won't be a next time. If Obama wins in Nov. it's over.

cycloneman · 10-05-2012, 09:15 AM

Steve

Relax. The one that will win has allready been picked. We dont know who that is yet. We will know on Nov 7th. That is when they will let us know.

Right now what you are seeing is both parties making money.

Each party wants the other to believe they have a shot. Each party wants you to believe your allmost there but just not enough, need allittle bit more, send us your money, sit down at the 20K dollar fried chicken and watermelon plate lunch.

So take it easy, they want you upset.

BTW the powers that be know that the middle class is a necessary evil. So relax they know we have been beaten to death and most all of us are bankrupt. They have nothing to gain if we all fail. So more than likely they will put us back to work. Someone has to work and make the money.

Dont you feel better now?

CampingJosh · 10-05-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by steve4102

The RP Babies are doing everything they can to get Obama another 4. They are not team players and you cannot turn them into team players. It is all or nothing with them. Not only nothing, they will fight against you just to prove a point.

There are people who actively think about their actions and consciously decide that a liberal Republican president is worse for the country than a liberal Democrat president. Do I agree with that? Not necessarily. But yelling at them for not toeing the party line makes somebody sound like a baby.

If Republicans win elections with liberal candidates, the party sees that as the strategy that wins.
What is more important to politicians, to win elections for themselves or to do the right thing for the country? If it were doing the right thing for the country, we wouldn't be anywhere near the situation in which we find ourselves.

I haven't seen anyone bring up Congressman Paul here on TFF for the last month, you excluded. Why? He's not even running for president. He's not on the ballot anywhere, not even in his congressional district. Why does it drive you so nuts? Why?

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Problem is, with an Obama victory there won't be a next time. If Obama wins in Nov. it's over.

If Obama wins in 2008, it's over.
If Kerry wins in 2004, it's over.
If Gore wins in 2000, it's over.
If Clinton wins in 1996, it's over.
If Clinton wins in 1992, it's over.
If Dukakis wins in 1988, it's over.

The Republicans have been saying this forever. Right or wrong, the boy has cried wolf a few too many times to be taken seriously.

Double D · 10-05-2012, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cycloneman

Steve

Relax. The one that will win has allready been picked. We dont know who that is yet. We will know on Nov 7th. That is when they will let us know.

Right now what you are seeing is both parties making money.

Each party wants the other to believe they have a shot. Each party wants you to believe your allmost there but just not enough, need allittle bit more, send us your money, sit down at the 20K dollar fried chicken and watermelon plate lunch.

So take it easy, they want you upset.

BTW the powers that be know that the middle class is a necessary evil. So relax they know we have been beaten to death and most all of us are bankrupt. They have nothing to gain if we all fail. So more than likely they will put us back to work. Someone has to work and make the money.

Dont you feel better now?

YUP. The vote is already decided and these little side shows wont make a lick of difference. Nobody can convince me that there are still so called "sway" voters out there. They are either worshiping their king or they are voting for romney and they already know it. Period. They can say they dont know, but they know. They arent fooling me for one second.

CampingJosh · 10-05-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Double D

YUP. The vote is already decided and these little side shows wont make a lick of difference. Nobody can convince me that there are still so called "sway" voters out there. They are either worshiping their king or they are voting for romney and they already know it. Period. They can say they dont know, but they know. They arent fooling me for one second.

If they don't know by now between those two, they are stupid.

The only thing that can change at this point is enthusiasm/turn out.

Kelzebubba · 10-05-2012, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by steve4102

Agreed, but he is still going to win in Nov. He has the MSM, ACORN and the R Paul nut jobs on his side. Should be an easy victory.

Actually that leaked 47% tape has turned a lot of Ron Paul followers because Romney was bashing the Fed.

Kelzebubba · 10-05-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by steve4102

The RP Delegates acted like little babies and stormed out of the Convention. They didn't get what they wanted so they took their ball and went home. Pucking out the same threats and garbage, "Without US Romney will never win". They are Babies and they are proud that they have enough members to split the Republican vote enough for an Obama victory. They would rather see four more years of Obama then anyone but Ron Paul, anyone.

Nut Jobs may be to strong, I will call them Babies from now on.

By rules setup by the Republicans, Ron Paul earned a speaking spot at the convention, which was DENIED. So who exactly is the baby here? Last time I checked when we said people didn't follow the rules (constitution, bill of rights, etc.) we like to call them dictators or imperialists. I don't blame them for walking out, parliamentary procedure set forth by the party was not followed because a few at the top HATE Ron Paul. Call them babies if you want, but I wouldn't go somewhere that it was made clear I wasn't welcome.

steve4102 · 10-05-2012, 12:39 PM

He did not earn a spot.

CampingJosh · 10-05-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by steve4102

He did not earn a spot.

When confronted with fact (yes, that's fact), just deny!

steve4102 · 10-05-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CampingJosh

When confronted with fact (yes, that's fact), just deny!

Since Paul finished second to Romney in the New Hampshire primary, he is not able to address the convention. But the Romney campaign offered him an opportunity to give a speech*– as long as it was approved by Romney’s staff and endorses the Republican nominee for president.

Paul refused!

http://rt.com/usa/news/ron-paul-romney-rnc-671/

Paul, whose name will not be placed in nomination at the convention because he failed to win a plurality of delegates in at least five states as required by RNC rules,

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/why...an-convention/

These are the Facts Gentlemen. He did not win a spot, he was offered a spot under certain conditions. He refused, end of story.

45silverback · 10-05-2012, 02:30 PM

Romney should tell the truth... He should yell it and back it up with Obama's own words. He should be screaming that Obama is a Communist.

steve4102 · 10-05-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzebubba

By rules setup by the Republicans, Ron Paul earned a speaking spot at the convention, which was DENIED. So who exactly is the baby here? Last time I checked when we said people didn't follow the rules (constitution, bill of rights, etc.) we like to call them dictators or imperialists. I don't blame them for walking out, parliamentary procedure set forth by the party was not followed because a few at the top HATE Ron Paul. Call them babies if you want, but I wouldn't go somewhere that it was made clear I wasn't welcome.

Where did you get this bit of Mis-information? Got a link?

steve4102 · 10-05-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CampingJosh

If they don't know by now between those two, they are stupid.

The only thing that can change at this point is enthusiasm/turn out.

Now who is insulting members?

steve4102 · 10-09-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CampingJosh

When confronted with fact (yes, that's fact), just deny!

Or, in your case "Ignore".

10-04-2012, 06:35 PM	#1
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Obama calls on Romney to tell the truth oh please stop it seriouisly my ribs are starting to hurt BARACK Obama has demanded truth from the "real Mitt Romney" as aides promised a "hard look" at strategy after the US president's listless performance in the first White House debate. Passionate, cutting and engaged, in stark comparison to his debate showing, Obama told 12,000 cheering supporters at a chilly lakeside rally in Denver that the Romney who turned up to their first head-to-head clash on Wednesday night was an impostor who had covered up unpopular positions. "I met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be Mitt Romney," Obama said. "It couldn't have been Mitt Romney because the real Mitt Romney has been running around the country for the last year, promising $5 trillion in tax cuts for the wealthy. "The fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. The real Mitt Romney said we don't need any more teachers in our schools. The fellow on stage last night - he loves teachers, can't get enough of them. "If you want to be president, you owe the American people the truth." The president's feisty appearance represented a clear effort to shift the news cycle away from his stinking debate reviews and stall Romney's bid to create a comeback narrative following his unexpectedly strong showing. Obama, who flew later to another rally in Wisconsin, seized on Romney's comment that he knew nothing about a tax break for companies that outsource jobs overseas, saying that if that was true, then the multi-millionaire former venture capitalist needed a new accountant. "He seems to be doing just fine with his current accountant," he said, poking fun at Romney's complex offshore tax arrangements, which Democrats highlight to press the case he is indifferent to middle-class struggles. About 40 million people watched Wednesday night's debate on television, according to preliminary figures by the Nielsen TV ratings service. Romney basked in the plaudits for his performance as he addressed a fundraising event in Colorado before flying to Virginia, saying Americans had seen two contrasting visions for the future on stage in Denver. The Republican challenger made a surprise appearance at the Conservative Political Action Conference, thrilling hundreds of attendees as he stepped on stage to join his sons who were scheduled guests. "I know this is going to be a close-fought battle," Romney said. "We need to win Colorado. You know what, if we do, we are going to win back the White House." In his first public appearance since trumping Obama in the first of three one-on-one debates, the former Massachusetts governor pursued attacks on what he portrayed as the president's continuing expansion of government. "I saw the president's vision as trickle-down government and I don't think that's what America believes in," Romney said. "I see instead a prosperity that comes through freedom." Obama turned in a lethargic and sometimes irritable performance, allowing a pumped-up Romney an opening in a White House race that had been trending away from the Republican after weeks of gaffes. The president's campaign team signalled that it understood Obama's performance was below par and promised a rethink before the next clash in New York state in two weeks time. The question now is whether Romney's debate performance has changed the minds of enough wavering voters in key swing states to give the Republican challenger a real chance on November 6. Opinion polls in the coming days will provide the first clues. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...#ixzz28NO6xumE -->

10-04-2012, 06:42 PM	#2
Iron Eagle Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Louisiana Posts: 659	Re: Obama calls on Romney to tell the truth Obummer is an idiot. Without his speech writers, he looks like an moron.

10-04-2012, 06:51 PM	#4
45silverback V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 153	Re: Obama calls on Romney to tell the truth No do-overs on a debate... Sorry done. You lost. The 47% are just a pissed as you are. The other 53 % knows you got your ass handed to you. Now get your damned thumb out of your mouth. __________________ VR, Harry MSgt USAF (RET)

10-04-2012, 08:32 PM	#8
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Obama calls on Romney to tell the truth Steve , seen RP's actual policies ? only ones that actually have been worked out , the UFO stuff and other stuff aside, he's the most organised and fact based dude out there but he's a lone guy , no team , can he play in a team ,?? to me these are the issues , if so get him on YOUR team for 2016 ( prez maybe not , but use his fact gathering and how he puts together viable plans as thats something lacking in the gov you have on both sides , you all use consultants now , RP uses industry itself ... ) i aint a real fan , but who is out there ?? seriously use RP to bust NAFTA the UN all that junk , he'd be the bulldog you need , sec state something like that tariffs , and use the money to fund real jobs , small business , not pie in the sky like the past and slow down the imports that are sending you broke but again make your own team for 2016 .. otherwise soro's will have another bunny lined up to be the great hope and change maker Last edited by jack404; 10-04-2012 at 08:40 PM..

10-04-2012, 09:01 PM	#9
gvw3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago IL Area Contributor Posts: 3,313	Re: Obama calls on Romney to tell the truth Very good points Jack. Most people don't realize that tariffs funded the entire cost of the federal government up until the second world war. Everyone wants to go to Walmart and buy a shirt for $5 or a wide screen tv for $300. All made in China. We don't need to bring our standard of living down to the Chinese. A 20% tariff on these products would pay off the national debt right away. It would boost American manufacturing over night. It would end all these problems. You would pay more for products but everyone would be working and making a good living again. __________________ Criminals advocate stronger gun laws to foster a safer work environment. This limits their exposure to risk.

10-04-2012, 09:38 PM	#10
Appliancedude Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The true northern Cal Posts: 1,562	Re: Obama calls on Romney to tell the truth If Romney was smart he'd have already promised Ron Paul Treasury Secretary. Or whatever position he can fill the best. I don't like RP but on fiscal matters, the guy is damned genius. That would also satisfy the RP nut jobs. Sorry Josh couldn't resist __________________ It ain't broke it just lacks duct tape. The nice thing about opinions is everybody has one.

10-05-2012, 07:12 AM	#11
steve4102 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota Contributor Posts: 2,760	Re: Obama calls on Romney to tell the truth The RP Delegates acted like little babies and stormed out of the Convention. They didn't get what they wanted so they took their ball and went home. Pucking out the same threats and garbage, "Without US Romney will never win". They are Babies and they are proud that they have enough members to split the Republican vote enough for an Obama victory. They would rather see four more years of Obama then anyone but Ron Paul, anyone. Nut Jobs may be to strong, I will call them Babies from now on.

10-05-2012, 09:15 AM	#13
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,407	Re: Obama calls on Romney to tell the truth Steve Relax. The one that will win has allready been picked. We dont know who that is yet. We will know on Nov 7th. That is when they will let us know. Right now what you are seeing is both parties making money. Each party wants the other to believe they have a shot. Each party wants you to believe your allmost there but just not enough, need allittle bit more, send us your money, sit down at the 20K dollar fried chicken and watermelon plate lunch. So take it easy, they want you upset. BTW the powers that be know that the middle class is a necessary evil. So relax they know we have been beaten to death and most all of us are bankrupt. They have nothing to gain if we all fail. So more than likely they will put us back to work. Someone has to work and make the money. Dont you feel better now? __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

10-05-2012, 12:39 PM	#19
steve4102 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota Contributor Posts: 2,760	Re: Obama calls on Romney to tell the truth He did not earn a spot.

10-05-2012, 02:30 PM	#22
45silverback V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 153	Re: Obama calls on Romney to tell the truth Romney should tell the truth... He should yell it and back it up with Obama's own words. He should be screaming that Obama is a Communist. __________________ VR, Harry MSgt USAF (RET)