How will you handle a TSA check point? - Page 2 - The Firearms Forum

dbcooper · 10-09-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FlashBang

The TSA does not now, nor have they ever had, any law enforcement powers. They are nothing more then security guards for airports. I will not stop for a TSA checkpoint and if they were to force me off the road, attempt to open my vehicle door or remove me from my vehicle, I will treat them the same as any other car jacker in full accordance and justification under Texas Law.

please understand that the TSA is not restricted to airports

it was widley reported that they were at both the Democratic and Republican conventions patting people down entering the floor

firefighter1635 · 10-09-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dbcooper

please understand that the TSA is not restricted to airports

it was widley reported that they were at both the Democratic and Republican conventions patting people down entering the floor

Really? Not the Secret Service but the TSA? LMAO I bet they all felt safe with the TSA clowns patting people down. Too bad the TSA isn't in charge of Presidental detail.

FlashBang · 10-09-2012, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dbcooper

please understand that the TSA is not restricted to airports

it was widley reported that they were at both the Democratic and Republican conventions patting people down entering the floor

A security guard can be used anywhere. The fact remains that they have ZERO law enforcement authority.

soundguy · 10-09-2012, 06:15 PM

seems like a mandate from the king.. er.. president could change that in an instant. our urrent ruler has put aout many.. many many.

dbcooper · 10-09-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by firefighter1635

Really? Not the Secret Service but the TSA? LMAO I bet they all felt safe with the TSA clowns patting people down. Too bad the TSA isn't in charge of Presidental detail.

no, the TSA had nothing to do with the candidates

they were searching the general public as they entered the building is what I heard reported

Jerryboy · 10-11-2012, 08:51 PM

i will not go somewhere the TSA is likely to be(airports and train stations). if i were stopped on the highway while traveling in my own vehicle, or approached while i was on foot and they wanted to search me i would request to see a search warrant. if they didn't have one(which would be unlikely as they would need probable cause to get one) but insisted on searching me i would warn them that if they proceeded that that would be considered assault in which case i would treat them like any other criminal.

carver · 10-12-2012, 09:21 AM

TSA is Homeland Security! They have the same powers! Remember this:
The Mission of Homeland Security is:

A prevent terrorist attacks within the United States;

B reduce the vulnerability of the United States to terrorism; and

C minimize the damage, and assist in the recovery, from terrorist attacks that do occur within the United States."

From the Homeland Security Act of 2002

Now TSA is a member of Homeland Security, and we see them working in different areas than those listed above! Why is that?

carver · 10-12-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerryboy

i will not go somewhere the TSA is likely to be(airports and train stations). if i were stopped on the highway while traveling in my own vehicle, or approached while i was on foot and they wanted to search me i would request to see a search warrant. if they didn't have one(which would be unlikely as they would need probable cause to get one) but insisted on searching me i would warn them that if they proceeded that that would be considered assault in which case i would treat them like any other criminal.

A John Doe warrent will let them search anyone, anytime! There's your warrent!

Jim K · 10-12-2012, 10:43 AM

I had an experience with the local TSA (Trash Shoveling Always) group. I went to the county landfill a day after having some medical tests that required use of a radioactive trace chemical. I was stopped and asked to pull over while I and my car were checked. No problems and everyone was polite and courteous, but they definitely wanted to make sure the radioactivity was coming from me and not from the trash.

Those sensors were set up to prevent radioactive materials, incluiding medical waste, from being dumped in the landfill. A good idea, I am sure, but a bit startling to be told that I was radioactive enough to set off the detectors. I have no idea what would have happened if I had tried to board a plane in my "glow in the dark" condition. Probably a "shoot first and check later" situation, or maybe they would be afraid that shooting would set off the "walking H-Bomb".

Jim

carver · 10-12-2012, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim K

I had an experience with the local TSA (Trash Shoveling Always) group. I went to the county landfill a day after having some medical tests that required use of a radioactive trace chemical. I was stopped and asked to pull over while I and my car were checked. No problems and everyone was polite and courteous, but they definitely wanted to make sure the radioactivity was coming from me and not from the trash.

Those sensors were set up to prevent radioactive materials, incluiding medical waste, from being dumped in the landfill. A good idea, I am sure, but a bit startling to be told that I was radioactive enough to set off the detectors. I have no idea what would have happened if I had tried to board a plane in my "glow in the dark" condition. Probably a "shoot first and check later" situation, or maybe they would be afraid that shooting would set off the "walking H-Bomb".

Jim

What kind of hiway were the sensors set up on?

howlnmad · 10-12-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by carver

What kind of hiway were the sensors set up on?

I'd bet that they were set up at the landfill. We have 2 scrap yards that have them and you must pass through them going in.

01brian · 10-12-2012, 12:33 PM

99.9% of people will handle them the same way they are already handling them at the airports. They are going to put up with it, let their rights be violated with unlawful searches.

It would be really nice to eliminate TSA and Homeland security and a bunch of the other departments, but in reality, who is going to do that?

rice paddy daddy · 10-16-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jedwil

Shoeless truckdrivers....Never thought I'd see it........

I work in a wholesale distribution warehouse and deal with OTR truckers everyday. The latest wave of immigrant truck drivers is from somewhere in eastern Europe, like maybe Bosnia. Shoes? What shoes? No speaka da english.
The average automobile driver has absolutely no idea who they are sharing the road with. I do, and it scares the heck out of me.
How they can get a license and not be able to speak or read english is beyond me, I mean, how do they read road signs?
Cubans out of Miami are just as bad.
The good ol' boy redneck trucker is a dying breed.

flboots · 10-16-2012, 09:35 AM

Civilian police force. Hilter had his the"SA", obama has his "TSA". Notice they both has "SA" in there. Wouldn't surprise me if obama abolishes congress in November if he loses the election. He has his socialist pal in South America to show him how its done.

rice paddy daddy · 10-16-2012, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by flboots

Civilian police force. Hilter had his the"SA", obama has his "TSA". Notice they both has "SA" in there. Wouldn't surprise me if obama abolishes congress in November if he loses the election. He has his socialist pal in South America to show him how its done.

He has already quietly put in place, thru his EO's, the mechanisms to make Congress irrelevant.
As a student of military history I am reminded of Hitler's so called Enabling Act which gave him complete dictatorial power.
I'll be looking for the Night And Fog Decree next. Oh, that's right, that already exists - if the government says you are a terrorist they can take you away without charges, hold you without bail, and tell no one where you went.

"America is at that awkward age. It's too late to work within the system, and too soon to shoot the bastards." Claire Wolfe

Rocketman1 · 10-16-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FlashBang

The TSA does not now, nor have they ever had, any law enforcement powers. They are nothing more then security guards for airports. I will not stop for a TSA checkpoint and if they were to force me off the road, attempt to open my vehicle door or remove me from my vehicle, I will treat them the same as any other car jacker in full accordance and justification under Texas Law.

+1

10-09-2012, 06:15 PM	#29
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,729	Re: How will you handle a TSA check point? seems like a mandate from the king.. er.. president could change that in an instant. our urrent ruler has put aout many.. many many.

10-11-2012, 08:51 PM	#31
Jerryboy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 770	Re: How will you handle a TSA check point? i will not go somewhere the TSA is likely to be(airports and train stations). if i were stopped on the highway while traveling in my own vehicle, or approached while i was on foot and they wanted to search me i would request to see a search warrant. if they didn't have one(which would be unlikely as they would need probable cause to get one) but insisted on searching me i would warn them that if they proceeded that that would be considered assault in which case i would treat them like any other criminal. __________________ "If voting could change anything for the better, it'd be illegal." -Unknown "If good intentions were horses, politicians would own glue factories" -Jeremiah Thompson Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, & Explosives should be the name of a convenience store, not a government agency.

10-12-2012, 09:21 AM	#32
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,538	Re: How will you handle a TSA check point? TSA is Homeland Security! They have the same powers! Remember this: The Mission of Homeland Security is: A prevent terrorist attacks within the United States; B reduce the vulnerability of the United States to terrorism; and C minimize the damage, and assist in the recovery, from terrorist attacks that do occur within the United States." From the Homeland Security Act of 2002 Now TSA is a member of Homeland Security, and we see them working in different areas than those listed above! Why is that? __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

10-12-2012, 10:43 AM	#34
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: How will you handle a TSA check point? I had an experience with the local TSA (Trash Shoveling Always) group. I went to the county landfill a day after having some medical tests that required use of a radioactive trace chemical. I was stopped and asked to pull over while I and my car were checked. No problems and everyone was polite and courteous, but they definitely wanted to make sure the radioactivity was coming from me and not from the trash. Those sensors were set up to prevent radioactive materials, incluiding medical waste, from being dumped in the landfill. A good idea, I am sure, but a bit startling to be told that I was radioactive enough to set off the detectors. I have no idea what would have happened if I had tried to board a plane in my "glow in the dark" condition. Probably a "shoot first and check later" situation, or maybe they would be afraid that shooting would set off the "walking H-Bomb". Jim

10-12-2012, 12:33 PM	#37
01brian V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 334	Re: How will you handle a TSA check point? 99.9% of people will handle them the same way they are already handling them at the airports. They are going to put up with it, let their rights be violated with unlawful searches. It would be really nice to eliminate TSA and Homeland security and a bunch of the other departments, but in reality, who is going to do that?

10-16-2012, 09:35 AM	#39
flboots V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Northeast Florida Posts: 403	Re: How will you handle a TSA check point? Civilian police force. Hilter had his the"SA", obama has his "TSA". Notice they both has "SA" in there. Wouldn't surprise me if obama abolishes congress in November if he loses the election. He has his socialist pal in South America to show him how its done.