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45Auto · 10-09-2012, 12:19 PM

This election is about moving way back to the good old days before 1776 when there were Royals in charge and commoners on the bottom; Royals who were entitled by God to control us commoners. The Royals of today quietly consider the American Revolution to have been a pinko-commie affair. The Royals of today are smart. They own the printing presses, not folks like Ben Franklin. With smart market research and spin doctors they can convince us fools to surrender our rights as easily as we were sold on bottled water. Know your place commoners.

steve4102 · 10-09-2012, 04:50 PM

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just because I'm telling the truth about Romney,

What truths do you have that Romney will continue to implement Obama's Socialist programs?

A list of Obama's Socialist programs and agendas followed by the truths/facts that Romney will continue to implement them would be nice.

Thanks.

45silverback · 10-09-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CampingJosh

I love reading claims like this online.

You don't have any idea if you're talking to a 8th grade kid who spends all day on World of Warcraft or a PhD who teaches graduate-level history classes.

And neither do you Sir. Isn't this little make-believe world we navigate wonderful?

CampingJosh · 10-09-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 45silverback

And neither do you Sir. Isn't this little make-believe world we navigate wonderful?

I agree that I don't know who you are or what you know. That's why I did not dispute that you may, in fact, know more than the history and development of totalitarian governments than the other member you were responding to.

But blanket "assurances" like that don't help credibility.

graehaven · 10-10-2012, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by steve4102

What truths do you have that Romney will continue to implement Obama's Socialist programs?

A list of Obama's Socialist programs and agendas followed by the truths/facts that Romney will continue to implement them would be nice.

Thanks.

40 Points That Prove That Barack Obama And Mitt Romney Are Essentially The Same Candidate

Here's another creatively done piece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38

carver · 10-10-2012, 09:39 AM

God has a plan, and no matter what we do, or how we act, it will come to pass! In the mean time, let's get rid of all the riff raff we can. Is Romney better for this Country than the muslim, anti christian, communist, illegal immigrant now in office? You betchya! Is there a better choice than Mitt Romney? Sure there is, but that person either isn't running, or didn't get the GOP nod. I would love to have seen Ron Paul in this race instead of Romney. Or better yet, Allen West! We had our chance to see that happen, but we couldn't make it happen. There are only two people in this race that can win, Romney, and Obozo. Now it's up to us to make sure that the candidate we want in office gets the job.

al45lc · 10-10-2012, 09:46 AM

No matter who the candidate, or the Party, it has been and ALWAYS will be about POWER. PERIOD!
The question is, what kind of power base does the individual (or people) prefer, socialist or Capitalist.
In OUR system of free market capitalist enterprise, that power base allows most ANYONE to ascend to a level of power restricted mostly by their own input and level of dedication.
In the socialist power base system, ONLY those CHOSEN or dedicated enough will rise to any level of power or earnings, and then it's an iffy proposition as to how long it can be retained, due to the fewer positions available and the struggle for those positions.
Romney wants power, so does Obama.
But Romney recognizes the power of free enterprise, whilest Obama does too, but doesn't like it.
Obama wants total power, like the fascist he is. The fools of the left THINK he's a socialist, but that's because they're fools.
I've always said that socialists are idiots simply by their affiliation to that system, because it flies in the face of the human desire for property and prosperity.
Any one who claims to be a socialist is either a fool or a power monger, there is NO other answer for it.

45nut · 10-10-2012, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by graehaven

40 Points That Prove That Barack Obama And Mitt Romney Are Essentially The Same Candidate

Here's another creatively done piece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38

Hey grae, all those points aren't actually correct, but enough are to make one blink a little. But, I'm still voting for anybody but obozo.

He would fire Bernanke here

more differences here

Good to see you still participating. Love your posts.

FreeSovereign · 10-10-2012, 12:36 PM

Warning...link has obama's picture.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ri...god-but-allah/

graehaven · 10-15-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 45nut

Hey grae, all those points aren't actually correct, but enough are to make one blink a little. But, I'm still voting for anybody but obozo.

He would fire Bernanke here

more differences here

Good to see you still participating. Love your posts.

I know. For some though, even if it was 20 points they were the same on, that still isn't enough to convince them that Romney is NOT going to be the hero they expect.

The BIG one, the one I cannot get over, is all the gun owners who veritably WORSHIP Romney, when he is the WORST Repub candidate in history on guns. He WILL ban them if he has the chance - as proven by his record..... a record, which apparently doesn't mean much to people. Unbelievable.

He WILL do it given the chance. He will be "forced" to for the "good" of the nation.

He IS going to sell out the conservatives of this nation.

45silverback · 10-15-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by graehaven

I know. For some though, even if it was 20 points they were the same on, that still isn't enough to convince them that Romney is NOT going to be the hero they expect.

The BIG one, the one I cannot get over, is all the gun owners who veritably WORSHIP Romney, when he is the WORST Repub candidate in history on guns. He WILL ban them if he has the chance - as proven by his record..... a record, which apparently doesn't mean much to people. Unbelievable.

He WILL do it given the chance. He will be "forced" to for the "good" of the nation.

He IS going to sell out the conservatives of this nation.

I ask once again.... The alternative?

Caneman · 10-15-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeSovereign

Warning...link has obama's picture.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ri...god-but-allah/

LOL, it used to be that i couldnt stand to hear his voice, now i cant stand to see his face

45Auto · 10-15-2012, 04:50 PM

There is an invitation from my friends to come see the Republican "RESTORE AMERICA" bus as it tours my area.

I am troubled by this.

If the GOP wants to "Restore America" to what it was in 2008, after 8 years of the last Republican President, G.Bush II, then we are all in BIG TROUBLE! On the other hand, if the GOP wants to "Restore America" to what it was before the last Republican President took office then that's more like it...... oh yea, that was Bill Clinton's presidency......

graehaven · 10-15-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 45silverback

I ask once again.... The alternative?

I cannot answer that for you. The answer is simple, but requires a commitment to principle, not to empty rhetoric.

There is an alternative, but few will exercise it.

markfh · 10-15-2012, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 45Auto

There is an invitation from my friends to come see the Republican "RESTORE AMERICA" bus as it tours my area.

I am troubled by this.

If the GOP wants to "Restore America" to what it was in 2008, after 8 years of the last Republican President, G.Bush II, then we are all in BIG TROUBLE! On the other hand, if the GOP wants to "Restore America" to what it was before the last Republican President took office then that's more like it...... oh yea, that was Bill Clinton's presidency......

Oh yea, that was when the REPUBLICANs controlled congress and billy boy was selfish (smart) enough to go along with Newt and the republicans as he could then claim it was he that had the good ideas like welfare reform and a budget surplus (of course after you leave a sh1t load of items off budget to make it seem there was a surplus). You going to praise billy boy for that or are you going to recognize that Newt and the republicans did it.

45Auto · 10-16-2012, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by markfh

Oh yea, that was when the REPUBLICANs controlled congress and billy boy was selfish (smart) enough to go along with Newt and the republicans as he could then claim it was he that had the good ideas like welfare reform and a budget surplus (of course after you leave a sh1t load of items off budget to make it seem there was a surplus). You going to praise billy boy for that or are you going to recognize that Newt and the republicans did it.

This is a two edged sword; If you claim that Newt and the Republicans were responsible for Bill Clinton's success, then I suppose you are also going to recognize that George Bush II and the Republicans were at fault for the expensive blunders in Iraq and the great crash of 2007?

45silverback · 10-16-2012, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by graehaven

I cannot answer that for you. The answer is simple, but requires a commitment to principle, not to empty rhetoric.

There is an alternative, but few will exercise it.

I'm talking about an alternative that actually stands a chance in Nov. Not throwing away a vote.

markfh · 10-16-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 45Auto

This is a two edged sword; If you claim that Newt and the Republicans were responsible for Bill Clinton's success, then I suppose you are also going to recognize that George Bush II and the Republicans were at fault for the expensive blunders in Iraq and the great crash of 2007?

You can say what you want about Iraq and I won't try to second guess those that were in charge at the time. Having been in a position to watch the 73 A/I war progress I know there's more to these things than you or I as civilians can be aware of.

I won't at all put the blame on Bush for the crash. That goes to the demonrats and their forcing banks and mortgage companies to make loans to people that couldn't afford it. Not to say the republicans are blameless but Bush tried on at least two occasions to get that whole home mortgage mess under control and was rebuffed by the demonrats.

graehaven · 10-16-2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 45silverback

I'm talking about an alternative that actually stands a chance in Nov. Not throwing away a vote.

Voting FOR something/someone is not throwing one's vote away. It is one of the principles of freedom this country was founded upon.

Presuming that someone should vote as you do, or else they are "throwing their vote away" is a logical fallacy.

cycloneman · 10-16-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

You can check every post I have ever made and see if I have ever said romney is the answer to the problem. You wont find it. I would rather let charles manson take the country off a cliff than allow this criminal one more hour in the white house. How sad is that. I do believe that we can possibly prevent the supreme court appointments that will void the second amendment by getting him out. Just to strip this anti american illegal terrorist muslim of his address is all I want for christmas. If he wins, I may be looking for a real tall cliff to jump from, I dont know if I can take it.

steve4102 · 10-16-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by graehaven

Voting FOR something/someone is not throwing one's vote away. It is one of the principles of freedom this country was founded upon.

Presuming that someone should vote as you do, or else they are "throwing their vote away" is a logical fallacy.

Nope, voting for a third party candidate that cannot win is throwing your vote away. Especially in this election. There are two candidates in 2012, Obama and Romney. Pick one or throw your vote in the trash.

You are either, part of the problem or part of the solution. Obama is the problem, a third party looser is not part of the solution.

markfh · 10-16-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by steve4102

Nope, voting for a third party candidate that cannot win is throwing your vote away. Especially in this election. There are two candidates in 2012, Obama and Romney. Pick one or throw your vote in the trash.

You are either, part of the problem or part of the solution. Obama is the problem, a third party looser is not part of the solution.

+1

CampingJosh · 10-16-2012, 11:40 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

45Auto · 10-17-2012, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by markfh

I won't at all put the blame on Bush for the crash. That goes to the demonrats and their forcing banks and mortgage companies to make loans to people that couldn't afford it. Not to say the republicans are blameless but Bush tried on at least two occasions to get that whole home mortgage mess under control and was rebuffed by the demonrats.

What? banks forced to make bad loans? Not on this planet. But then, if you are calling Democrates "demonrats" I would not expect objective fact checking.

steve4102 · 10-17-2012, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 45Auto

What? banks forced to make bad loans? Not on this planet. But then, if you are calling Democrates "demonrats" I would not expect objective fact checking.

Yes, banks were and are forced to give loans to "poverty" level home buyers knowing they cannot be paid back. Look it up, start with Janet Reno.

10-09-2012, 12:19 PM	#51
45Auto Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,124	Re: What this election is about. This election is about moving way back to the good old days before 1776 when there were Royals in charge and commoners on the bottom; Royals who were entitled by God to control us commoners. The Royals of today quietly consider the American Revolution to have been a pinko-commie affair. The Royals of today are smart. They own the printing presses, not folks like Ben Franklin. With smart market research and spin doctors they can convince us fools to surrender our rights as easily as we were sold on bottled water. Know your place commoners.

10-10-2012, 09:39 AM	#56
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,550	Re: What this election is about. God has a plan, and no matter what we do, or how we act, it will come to pass! In the mean time, let's get rid of all the riff raff we can. Is Romney better for this Country than the muslim, anti christian, communist, illegal immigrant now in office? You betchya! Is there a better choice than Mitt Romney? Sure there is, but that person either isn't running, or didn't get the GOP nod. I would love to have seen Ron Paul in this race instead of Romney. Or better yet, Allen West! We had our chance to see that happen, but we couldn't make it happen. There are only two people in this race that can win, Romney, and Obozo. Now it's up to us to make sure that the candidate we want in office gets the job. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old. Last edited by carver; 10-10-2012 at 09:50 AM..

10-10-2012, 09:46 AM	#57
al45lc Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: colorful colorado Posts: 1,022	Re: What this election is about. No matter who the candidate, or the Party, it has been and ALWAYS will be about POWER. PERIOD! The question is, what kind of power base does the individual (or people) prefer, socialist or Capitalist. In OUR system of free market capitalist enterprise, that power base allows most ANYONE to ascend to a level of power restricted mostly by their own input and level of dedication. In the socialist power base system, ONLY those CHOSEN or dedicated enough will rise to any level of power or earnings, and then it's an iffy proposition as to how long it can be retained, due to the fewer positions available and the struggle for those positions. Romney wants power, so does Obama. But Romney recognizes the power of free enterprise, whilest Obama does too, but doesn't like it. Obama wants total power, like the fascist he is. The fools of the left THINK he's a socialist, but that's because they're fools. I've always said that socialists are idiots simply by their affiliation to that system, because it flies in the face of the human desire for property and prosperity. Any one who claims to be a socialist is either a fool or a power monger, there is NO other answer for it. __________________ You are what you do, when it counts.

10-10-2012, 12:36 PM	#59
FreeSovereign V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 50	Re: What this election is about. Warning...link has obama's picture. http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ri...god-but-allah/

10-15-2012, 04:50 PM	#63
45Auto Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,124	Re: What this election is about. There is an invitation from my friends to come see the Republican "RESTORE AMERICA" bus as it tours my area. I am troubled by this. If the GOP wants to "Restore America" to what it was in 2008, after 8 years of the last Republican President, G.Bush II, then we are all in BIG TROUBLE! On the other hand, if the GOP wants to "Restore America" to what it was before the last Republican President took office then that's more like it...... oh yea, that was Bill Clinton's presidency......

10-16-2012, 11:40 PM	#73
CampingJosh TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 4,799	Re: What this election is about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma __________________ Nothing posted on TheFirearmsForum.com constitutes legal, accounting, gunsmithing, or other professional advice. Readers are encouraged to consult with qualified professionals for real advice. Your life is lived at your own risk. Don't blame me for the dumb things you do.