Jew,Christian, Mormon, a childs question

[jack404]

leviticus goes on and on though Terry

thats like a encyclopedia itself eh

[ampaterry]

Numbers has always been the hardest for me.
Begat and begat and begat -
After a few pages, the emphasis is on the first syllable.
NUMB

I think he meant the Tanakh; at least that contains all of our OT, (although not more as stated)

[jack404]

mennonite the begats they where always big on , as most of my familys mens names came there , folks laugh at my cousins hezakhia and zeeke ( ezekielle)

so it was like a familiy reunion or baby name choosin

[jack404]

ok the translatuion is slow as it uses a lot of peshouni slang ans i have to spell it out send it to a friend and get a rply , its out right a game to these animals

they are offering playstations and such for a copt's head , ( a child)

and this today

respect for Christian and jews huh ??

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Almos...esh-25745.html

Almost 300 Christian children abducted and forcibly converted to Islam in Bangladesh
by Nozrul Islam
Taken by intermediaries after they convince village families to pay for an education at pseudo hostels, the children are in fact brought to madrassas (Islamic schools) where imams force them to abjure Christianity. The latest case has a happy ending however when 11 children were able to escape from captivity.

[ampaterry]

Sure is a strange way for the 'religion of peace' to act, eh?

[jack404]

and folks keep on saying the same old lies that they dont persecute jews or Christians

hey Terry did ya see the pics in the reloading bench thread , the one with my lathe and mill

take a look at the thickness of that legal bound stuff on the bucket

its a class action against me for a few things i've done here

about 30 islamic organisations

$3-4 million in legal power

and there big complaint ?

i teach people the truth about islam and i've gotta stop

and advise residents about building and traffic codes and impacts

[ampaterry]

Good grief!!

Their funding is virtually unlimited, Jack -
How on earth do you bear up under that?

Oh wait a minute, I already know the answer -
You are backed by one who owns the cattle of a thousand hills -

KEEP UP the good fight, my friend -

[jack404]

He's always provided , but for this i can defend myself as there is not one criminal charge , its basically a long winded slander charge as its not racist , i already have that ruling so now its about trying to stop me running a 45 minute movie at RSL clubs and CWA clubs ( returned servicemans league and country womens association ) over the coming months

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy...hannel&list=UL

and i suspect they will make another play for a super mosque and sharia push again soon and wish all opposition silenced

[jack404]

oh and the socialists are ticked off about this

t short notice, we are pleased to announce a presentation by Kenneth Freeman and Don Casey, Chairman and Vice-chairman of the Alliance for Citizen's Rights Alabama from the US State of Alabama regarding Agenda 21.

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[jack404]

ya can see this sorta puts me in some folks bad books eh

but whats bad for then is good for the rest of us so ..

hi ho hi ho

[45nut]

Originally Posted by krhoads

Could you go and grab a Catholic bible and hold it up to the King James or other non-catholic bible? Could you define early church for me after that?

My Mr. rhoads, since this is a FIREARMS forum, why have you only posted in the religious discussion section??

I don't own a copy of The Apocrypha since I"m not Catholic and it's not required reading for Protestants.

Early Church, those believers during the EARLY and formative years until the Canonization of the Bible, and don't blame King James, it was done way before that: Thus, while there was a good measure of debate in the Early Church over the New Testament canon, the major writings were accepted by almost all Christians by the middle of the 3rd century

What's your favorite .22 LR rifle & pistol/revolver? Do you like black powder weapons or AR's & AK's?

[KenV]

Originally Posted by jack404

you ask any Mormon folks this ..

i'll ask here and now

any Mormon folks care to answer that one ? who is your personal Savior ??

cheers

I'm a Mormon and I'll be happy to answer. My personal savior is Jesus Christ.

For the record, Mormons believe that Jesus worked his atonement for all of mankind in Gethsemane, on the cross, in the tomb, and with his resurection. Because of his atonement, and ONLY through his atonement all mankind may be saved from the effects of mortality, which include death and sin.

In summary, I and almost all Mormons believe the following concerning Jesus Christ:
1. He was was born of a virgin named Mary, wife to Joseph, in Bethlehem of Judeah.
2. He grew to manhood in Galilee
3. He was baptized by John, the son of Zechariah
4. He preached for three years, performing numerous miracles during his ministry.
5. He organized a church, led by 12 apostles whom he personally ordained.
6. He suffered for the sins of all mankind in the Garden of Gethsemane
7. He was arrested and tried by the Sanhedrin and given to the Romans to be crucified
8. He was He rose on the third day after his crucifixion
9. After his crucifixion he appeared to Mary, his apostles, and to many others
10. After many days he ascended to heaven promising to return in glory

So what part of the above makes Mormons not "true" Christians?

[jack404]

Cheers Ken

[KenV]

Originally Posted by Archie

Jack. DartSwinger; actually the Latter Day Saint's Church has FOUR 'sacred' books; the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants of the LDS Church, the Pearl of Great Price and the Bible. Of those four, the Bible is the only one considered to be 'misinterpreted' and therefore containing errors.

Almost, but not quite accurate. Let's quote the Mormon's 8th article of faith correctly:

We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God

Keep in mind that there are literally hundreds of different translations of the Bible. Not all are correct. Some are downright corrupt. That is what that "translated correctly" phrase is referring to. Many versions of the Bible are acceptable, but the KJV is the official "Mormon Bible" in English. In German the official version is the Luther Bible. Indeed, the Book of Mormon testifies of the Bible and that it contains the Word of God.

If you believe all Bible translations are correct and "true" merely by the fact that they are labelled "The Bible", you are welcome to that belief. Mormons don't share it.

Since the Mormon church holds the copyright to the other three books they consider scripture, the Mormon church controls the translation of those scriptures. Thus there is no issue of those being "translated correctly".

[jack404]

Ken , as stated i'm not a fan of any organised religions

but its not a brand that matters

Christ as your savior and doing your best to follow his instructions is all that matters

in my book anyway

i see Your brand of folks , and i'm happy to see em

cause they see me in a similar way , they dont agree my "brand" but its what i do that they assess

i'm open to anyone believing what they wish if it dont impose on anyone and on the whole does good and teaches Salvation by Christ what comes after is open to interpretation

but i'll wager i'll be Toasting my Mormon friends come Glory , they may be having some healthy fruit drink while i have a beer , but hey each to their own that way too ..

[RYANINMICHIGAN]

Originally Posted by KenV

I'm a Mormon and I'll be happy to answer. My personal savior is Jesus Christ.

For the record, Mormons believe that Jesus worked his atonement for all of mankind in Gethsemane, on the cross, in the tomb, and with his resurection. Because of his atonement, and ONLY through his atonement all mankind may be saved from the effects of mortality, which include death and sin.

In summary, I and almost all Mormons believe the following concerning Jesus Christ:
1. He was was born of a virgin named Mary, wife to Joseph, in Bethlehem of Judeah.
2. He grew to manhood in Galilee
3. He was baptized by John, the son of Zechariah
4. He preached for three years, performing numerous miracles during his ministry.
5. He organized a church, led by 12 apostles whom he personally ordained.
6. He suffered for the sins of all mankind in the Garden of Gethsemane
7. He was arrested and tried by the Sanhedrin and given to the Romans to be crucified
8. He was He rose on the third day after his crucifixion
9. After his crucifixion he appeared to Mary, his apostles, and to many others
10. After many days he ascended to heaven promising to return in glory

So what part of the above makes Mormons not "true" Christians?

Rejection of the The holy trinity being the one main difference that makes your faith not Christian but who am I to say..

[jack404]

i've never known Christ to say you must come to the father via the holy trinity

he who beleives in me shall be saved

the me was Jesus , not a Holy Trinity ..

you need to reread your Bible , it'll set you straight

the trinity is what sets us up as a whole

but it aint the path ..


now theres another

25 About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. 26 Suddenly there was such a violent earthquake that the foundations of the prison were shaken. At once all the prison doors flew open, and everyone’s chains came loose. 27 The jailer woke up, and when he saw the prison doors open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself because he thought the prisoners had escaped. 28 But Paul shouted, “Don’t harm yourself! We are all here!”

29 The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized. 34 The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God—he and his whole household.


no mention of the trinity there only Christ eh same throughout the Bible

salvation through Christ ,

later when youra bit more mature you get teaching about the trinity

but salvation is through Christ ..

[jack404]

For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

[B]10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written,

“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess to God.”
12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.

RYAN is your so called moral high ground really that high ? its not correct , not even close mate , take a good look at the Good Book , read it , feel it , it is there to guide not condem same as Jesus ..

cheers

[RYANINMICHIGAN]

Originally Posted by jack404

For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

[B]10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written,

“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess to God.”
12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.

RYAN is your so called moral high ground really that high ? its not correct , not even close mate , take a good look at the Good Book , read it , feel it , it is there to guide not condem same as Jesus ..

cheers

I have no moral high ground. I am just stating what I was taught. Jesus was God plain and simple. I don't judge anyone for what they believe in the end we all have our own conversation with God. I have met many Mormons that seem like nice folks I will leave it at that.

[jack404]

but they aint Christian ..

i'm sorry for you , that branding and labels and bad teachings and bigotry have ruined what could have been ,

I'll pray for folks to find the truth , and for them to get understanding , as i think we are all lacking in this in many ways

so ok dont read the Good Book , you know better already ??

but again i suggest you do read it and try to find where it mentions the trinity in salvation

thers the trinity of Faith the whole world heaven earth bit

but salvation i think you'll find is only through Christ and if someone accepts Christ as their savior

not a lot past that matters , yes they have to live as Christ commanded

but if someone is saved by Christ then what brand of religion they follow dont really matter do it ?

we're all the same then

or did Christ really not mean what he said

as thats the only way you can be correct ..

sorry read your Bible and find the truth

[ampaterry]

Judging another denomination is not allowed here, Ryan. We are not here to finger-point and say YOU are not Christian, and YOU are not Christian because you don't discuss the Holy Spirit, or because you do not have a foot washing service, or because you do not handle snakes. There is one judge: Jesus Christ. No man comes to the father but those he chooses; end of story.

[flboots]

Remember this is America, Freedom of religion. Most of us have fought for this right. A person has a right to believe and practice their beliefs how they want. As long as its not shoved upon others.

[jack404]

then i suggest we look at freedom of religion , for those that qualify as a true Faith system and not something that hides behind the name of religion , but is more political and business than faith.

though not a fan of the doctrine of Mormonism , should not the fpeople of that faith be allowed to go on with how they are without the rest of Christianity slinging crap and accusations ??

you can only honestly do so as a Christian when the folks have proven themselves NOT Christian and by every definition

follower of Christ's teachings
One who gives their life to Christ
One who accepts eternal salvation through Christ , the majority of mormon folks would qualify , foibles aside... like any group ..

peter and paul both wrote that folks had different ways to come to christ and that these had made churches that he worried about but that the people accept Christ Jesus as their savior he could not condem

so then who are you to say who is and who is not a Christian ??

By their Deeds shall ye know them is the rule of thumb taken from the Good Book

and any look see and you'll find the majority of those folks pass that test too

yeah as stated in my first post , biggest scammer i ever knew was one but he took everyone equal opportunity ,

you get good and bad in all the main faiths

like every where as faiths are made up by people and the religous part too ( ceremony and doctrine )

and people screw up

like you have

s'ok we all screw up

God forgives..

[KenV]

Originally Posted by RYANINMICHIGAN

Rejection of the The holy trinity being the one main difference that makes your faith not Christian but who am I to say..

If belief in "The Holy Trinity" is what defines a Christian, then you are absolutely right. Mormons are "not Christian". But using that definition, LOTS of folks who believe in Christ and who worship Christ are "not Christian." Although you are welcome to that definition, please consider that it might be more than a bit narrow.

[jack404]

KenV , you get this much ?