600 Yards with a 1911?

[aa1911]

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ols-allegedly/

cool!

[lilmule]

Thats unreal

[gdmoody]

Man, that is an impressive read!! I'm feel mighty lucky to get eight rounds in a black 8 inch target at 50 yards!

[Big Chevy]

Wow that's insane.

[carver]

Right off I start wondering how fast that bullet is moving at 600 yards! Amazing shooting, can't wait till next Feb.! $165.00 + S&H, for the upgrade not to bad! http://karllippard.com/military/1911A2-Upgrade.html

[Albtraum]

I wonder what angle the pistol is held at when going for 600 yards... like 30-45 degrees? lol

230gr'ers going 900 FPS are going to want to drop like a cannonball. Plus a bad ballistic coefficient. That's pretty remarkable to make such a shot.

[graehaven]

Originally Posted by Albtraum

I wonder what angle the pistol is held at when going for 600 yards... like 30-45 degrees? lol

230gr'ers going 900 FPS are going to want to drop like a cannonball. Plus a bad ballistic coefficient. That's pretty remarkable to make such a shot.

And to do it 8 out of 10 times?????????

[aa1911]

can't even imagine trying to dope the wind for a .45 slug meandering downrange...

OK, fifty clicks right, forty two clicks up...

[Maine04657]

Over the years I have learned to shoot my 1911 out to 100 yards with consistency. But 600? I would try it but imagine a whole new learning curve.

[gvw3]

I don't think I could see the target at 600 yards.

[targetacqmgt]

The only thing I can figure the shooter was a "natural" marksman or one who has boucou pistol firing experience like thousands of rounds every year since he/she was a wee bern.

[targetacqmgt]

Originally Posted by gvw3

I don't think I could see the target at 600 yards.

I KNOW bloody well I could not

[JLA]

I regularly shoot my 1911s at 200 yds.. The dope required is crazy. I suppose its possible but Im kinda not buying it.

[WHSmithIV]

Very very cool. I think at 600 yards I could maybe hit a bus with 2 out of 10 shots and off the shelf ammo with my 1911 - maybe......

[76Highboy]

Originally Posted by JLA

I regularly shoot my 1911s at 200 yds.. The dope required is crazy. I suppose its possible but Im kinda not buying it.

I don't know Josh, I am thinking it could be done. I took a pot shot at a running coyote at 300+/- yards with my SpringfieldXD 45. I tried to hold about 12" high and I hit just above his hind quarters at about 1" high. The Hornady ballistics calculator show's that at 600 yards you would need to hold 40.1" high.

I am going to try it next time out.

[wv hillbilly]

Originally Posted by gvw3

I don't think I could see the target at 600 yards.

i tend to agree
not saying it can't be done, but i would have to see it.
i have shot several times at a 4x4' target with my baby eagle .40 and never came close

[Double D]

Originally Posted by WHSmithIV

Very very cool. I think at 600 yards I could maybe hit a bus with 2 out of 10 shots and off the shelf ammo with my 1911 - maybe......

Thats about what I am thinking. The target would have to be the size of a bus for me to see it at that distance.

[B27]

OK...the target was 6 feet by 6 feet and the bull was 36".....it was a standard 600 yard highpower rifle target.

I have seen, but never shot at this target at that distance.
It is quite easily visible.

But, even though this guy was shooting +P the trajectory was like a rainbow.
A mortar team would come in handy.

But.....here's my big but......I would never have believed someone could hit 18 inch steel plates at 100 yards with a two inch .38 Special 6 out of 6 until I watched my buddy do it repeatedly.

[ampaterry]

Just about the time you start to think you are pretty hot stuff, you read something like this - -

Humbling.

[Maine04657]

Well tried this today slightly windy used a 24 steel square hanging plate. At 400 yards I fired 10 mags got two hits three if the little rub on the right side was counted. At 600 I fired 25 mags got ONE hit upper right of the square. I did not hear the hit nor did I see the plate swing. But it had a splat on it. 1 out of 200 at 600 yards not really a stellar performance but one hit is a hit. Also have no idea if that was the first last or what shot in between. Did kick up dust in front and behind the plate though.

[Jim K]

I have never shot a 1911 (or anything else except an M1 rifle at 600 yards. But I have fired a .357 S&W Model 28 6" at 150 yards, and I do know there is no way he could have a front sight marked or notched for 600 yards. At 150 yards, I was holding the base of the front sight (where it joins the barrel rib) even with the top of the rear sight. I have no idea how much holdover I would need at 600 Yards, but it would be a lot of guess and by golly unless I had a fixed aiming point at the right distance above the target to give me a decent sight picture.

I have no doubt that a .45 pistol can shoot 600 yards and hit something. But I am highly skeptical that even on that big target it can be done with any consistency, and certainly not with ammunition that varies 150 fps in a box. Of course, I don't have one of those magic pistols.

Jim

[JLA]

I was thinking axactly that Jim. I bet what they did was calculate the ballistic trajectory for the windage and elevation and put an aiming target above the actual target. That would be the ONLY way you could get the dope right with any sort of consistency. And as to the magic pistol.. I dont see the big deal. Yeah, its a good idea, but the bicycle chain link claim is bogus. Even if a factory link does flex it doesnt do it until after the bullet leaves the barrel. Which makes the 'accuracy enhancing function' of the wider link moot. All the accuracy in a 1911 is in lockup. As long as your gun locks into battery the same every time its gonna shoot straight. Its 30% bushing to slide fit, 30%barrel to bushing fit, 30% lugs and hood, and the other 10% is slide to frame. And that 100% is only half of it.. Guns dont shoot themselves.

For 165 bucks, this magical kit is definitely worth a try, but thier claims are bogus IMO..

[Archie]

.45 ACP ammo with 150 f/s spread? That's pretty high. Most of my hardball equivalent loads run about 30 f/s spread.

Assuming a fairly tight velocity spread, the bullet will fall the same distance every time at any given distance. 600 yards is going to require some serious hold over, but it will be the same every time.

Bullseye type pistols are usually considered 'adequate' if they shoot groups no greater than six minutes of angle (3" at 50 yards). So at 600 yards, that's about 36 inches - oddly, the exact size of the black.

I have two 'hardball' target pistols, neither prepared - to the best of my knowledge - by Mr. Lippard. I've never shot either of them from a machine rest, but on a good day, I can run a score of 80 or so. I've hit full size silhouette targets with boring regularity at 100 yards when I was younger and shooting more often.

So I'll have to say this is possible. Which, for the tallybooks, is not an endorsement of the specially modified and precision built Lippard pistols.

I will also admit I've never fired a handgun at 600 yards. A couple of M14s, but not a handgun.

[Jim K]

Hitting a full size silhouette at 100 yards is good but not really outstanding; I have done it pretty regularly shooting DA, two hand standing with a 3" Model 36 and standard .38 Special ammo. Also, I have put every shot with that Model 28 from a rest in a group about 4" at that distance.

But the trouble is that MOA really isn't very consistent at the longer ranges, as there are just too many variables. A pistol that will shoot 2" at 25 yards won't necessarily shoot 8" at 100 yards.

When Colt was "hyping" the AR-15 and the .223 (it wasn't the 5.56 yet), they did an ad showing a GI helmet with a bullet hole in it, saying that their wonderful new rifle would penetrate a helmet at 1000 yards. When some of us questioned that, not only on power grounds, but on the fact that no one could even see a helmet at that distance, let alone hit it, Colt admitted that "we did some computer simulation" and that they actually shot the helmet at 50 feet. So much for advertising.

JIm

[MH2008]

Looks like I really need to practice more with mine.