What this election is about.

[45silverback]

I don't feel to deserving of a "Bravo" I feel sad....

[jedwil]

Originally Posted by graehaven

Apparently, as always, much is lost in mere text.

Jedwil, I was not trying to patronize. I was being sincere. I am being sincere now. I am not trying to be negative or patronizing. Nothing I wrote in the previous post to you was meant to be patronizing in any way. I apologize if it came across that way.

Thinking I'll depart for a while. See you guys after the election....Sam, thanks for a great place. I continue to support, needing a break. Josh, still need to get you the Beretta and Woodnut---I want that wood........

[Double D]

Originally Posted by 45silverback

I don't feel to deserving of a "Bravo" I feel sad....

You will ALWAYS have your naysayers no matter what. Anyone with any common sense can see that we have an anti american communist who is dismantling our country piece by piece and appointing the most left wing lunatic crazys to the supreme court that have ever sat on the bench and employing the most god awful administration in the history of america and spending us into oblivion and emboldening the gays, the muslims, the entitlement society, the anti amercans and removing God from every aspect of life and making a mockery of the office of the presidency by apologizing for everything america has ever done...boldly lying to the people daily about everything and walking so arrogantly around like he can do no wrong.....No sir, we may not have the best choice, the greatest man, or the answer to our problems, but we as americans know in our hearts that we MUST remove the cancer and voting for Romney is the right thing because it is the only way to rid the country of this terrible disease. No sir, you have done the right thing, BRAVO!

[graehaven]

Steve, found this:
(here: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10...apons-b/190681)

During tonight's presidential debate, Republican nominee Mitt Romney echoed a false claim from the National Rifle Association's radio show Cam & Company that whitewashes the former Massachusetts governor's record on guns.

News outlets will surely report on what was a contentious exchange between candidates on an issue that has thus far been ignored in the presidential race. But will they get to the bottom of Romney's past support for gun violence prevention measures?

Romney echoed the NRA talking point that an assault weapons ban he signed into law while governor of Massachusetts was agreeable to that state's leading gun advocacy group after moderator Candy Crowley suggested that his position on assault weapons has changed in recent years.


CROWLEY: Governor, if I could, the question was about these assault weapons that once were banned and are no longer banned. I know that you signed an assault weapons ban when you were in Massachusetts. Obviously with this question, you no longer do support that. Why is that given the kind of violence we see sometimes with these mass killings? Why is it that you've changed your mind?

ROMNEY: Well, Candy, actually in my state the pro-gun folks and the anti-gun folks came together and put together a piece of legislation. And it's referred to as an assault weapon ban, but it had -- at the signing of the bill both the pro-gun and the anti-gun people came together because it provided opportunities for both that both wanted.

The NRA has endorsed Romney and recently used its NRA News radio outlet to rewrite history in an attempt to hide Romney's past support for tough gun control measures.

During the October 2 edition of Cam & Company on NRA News, host Cam Edwards told viewers that Romney's gun policy while governor was in line with the positions of Gun Owners Action League (GOAL), the Massachusetts state gun advocacy group. Edwards also claimed that Romney loosened restrictions on assault weapons while governor instead of enhancing them. Neither claim is accurate.

In July 2004, then-Governor Romney signed legislation into law that made Massachusetts' assault weapons ban permanent and not reliant on a federal ban that expired at the end of 2004. The state issued a press release at the time, in which Romney described assault weapons as "instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."

GOAL fired back with its own press release titled, "Firearm Reform Bill Signed, Romney Takes Opportunity to Betray Gun Owners." The organization was especially irked that, "When asked by a reporter if he supported the renewal of the federal 'assault weapons' ban and if he had spoken to the senators about it, Governor Romney replied that it was not really his job to lobby on federal legislation, but that he shared Senator Kerry's and Senator Kennedy's position on the issue!"

_______________________________________________________________

So, I guess, while some referred to it as some kind of reform bill, it actually turned out to be another "sell out of gun owners" to the gun hater crowd and was in actuality a permanent assault weapons ban.

Also found this: ROMNEY SIGNS OFF ON PERMANENT ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN

And this from July:
Romney: Once signed assault-weapons ban into law

I don't know, hope this helps?

[steve4102]

You go ahead and get your information from the voice of the DNC,Media-matters and Candy Crowley. I'll take mine from a true Gun Lobby organization that was there when it happened, the GOAL.

This is a perfect example of don’t believe in titles. The bill was the greatest victory for gun owners since the passage of the gun control laws in 1998 (Chapter 180 of the Acts of 1998). It was a reform bill totally supported by GOAL. Press and media stories around the country got it completely wrong when claimed the bill was an extension of the “assault weapon” ban that had sunset at the federal level. They could not have been more wrong.

[Double D]

Again I say, BRAVO!

[RunningOnMT]

Graehaven, Believe me brother I share your feelings about Romney, but what is the alternative? Stay home on election day? Yeah, that'll really hurt em. Vote for Gary Johnson or write in Ron Paul? Neither of them stands a snowballs chance. How about a vote for Barack hoping a little more of him will prompt a revolution? Don't count on it.

I'll be holding my nose and voting for a RINO because, unlike Obama, he at least has an inkling of how the economy works. I believe Romney will be more beholden to the conservative base who will elect him on issues like gun control. As I see it. Romney is the only way to go, and if conservatives don't support him we WILL have four more years of Obama.

Maybe in another four a true constitutional conservative will run. Don't know about you but for the most part I like Rand Paul. I don't think Ron will run again.

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

I'll be holding my nose and voting for a RINO

Romney is not a Republican in name only. Romney is the face of the Republican party. That's who Republicans are. He stands for what Republicans stand for.

If he doesn't stand for what you stand for, it's not because he's not Republican; it's because you are not Republican.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

Graehaven, Believe me brother I share your feelings about Romney, but what is the alternative? Stay home on election day? Yeah, that'll really hurt em. Vote for Gary Johnson or write in Ron Paul? Neither of them stands a snowballs chance. How about a vote for Barack hoping a little more of him will prompt a revolution? Don't count on it.

I'll be holding my nose and voting for a RINO because, unlike Obama, he at least has an inkling of how the economy works. I believe Romney will be more beholden to the conservative base who will elect him on issues like gun control. As I see it. Romney is the only way to go, and if conservatives don't support him we WILL have four more years of Obama.

Maybe in another four a true constitutional conservative will run. Don't know about you but for the most part I like Rand Paul. I don't think Ron will run again.

You are only repeating what has been said 100,000,000 times here in the last 3 months or so. You will get the same response that has been given 100,000,000 times. In a couple weeks, we know what we MUST do. Lets all just do it. Now, the United States has 2 grand canyons. One natural one and one that was created from the ground being beat out from underneath the dead horse. Oh well, I guess now we have another tourist location to go to. What should we name it? The grand repeater canyon? Nothing personal ROMT, just cant wait till the 6th.

[45silverback]

Originally Posted by Double D

You will ALWAYS have your naysayers no matter what. Anyone with any common sense can see that we have an anti american communist who is dismantling our country piece by piece and appointing the most left wing lunatic crazys to the supreme court that have ever sat on the bench and employing the most god awful administration in the history of america and spending us into oblivion and emboldening the gays, the muslims, the entitlement society, the anti amercans and removing God from every aspect of life and making a mockery of the office of the presidency by apologizing for everything america has ever done...boldly lying to the people daily about everything and walking so arrogantly around like he can do no wrong.....No sir, we may not have the best choice, the greatest man, or the answer to our problems, but we as americans know in our hearts that we MUST remove the cancer and voting for Romney is the right thing because it is the only way to rid the country of this terrible disease. No sir, you have done the right thing, BRAVO!

Thank you Sir, for that. But just to clarify. Though I'm not a big Romney fan, I've seen worse or as bad recently. What I realy feel sad about is the state the country has gotten too, and that I think this last minute rally is too little, too late.

[RunningOnMT]

Originally Posted by CampingJosh

Romney is not a Republican in name only. Romney is the face of the Republican party. That's who Republicans are. He stands for what Republicans stand for.

If he doesn't stand for what you stand for, it's not because he's not Republican; it's because you are not Republican.

Josh, You're right, I no longer consider myself a republican. In fact I called the RNC after the convention to tell them as much. I'm probably independent with a mix of conservative and libertarian values.

[steve4102]

Originally Posted by CampingJosh

Romney is not a Republican in name only. Romney is the face of the Republican party. That's who Republicans are. He stands for what Republicans stand for.

If he doesn't stand for what you stand for, it's not because he's not Republican; it's because you are not Republican.

BS, Have you read this? Maybe you should.

http://www.gop.com/wp-content/upload...OPPlatform.pdf

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by steve4102

BS, Have you read this? Maybe you should.

http://www.gop.com/wp-content/upload...OPPlatform.pdf

Don't be fooled by their words. Believe their actions.

[steve4102]

Originally Posted by CampingJosh

Don't be fooled by their words. Believe their actions.

I agree, my point is that those in the party are indeed RINO's as they do not support the party platform in it's entirety.

[graehaven]

Originally Posted by steve4102

You go ahead and get your information from the voice of the DNC,Media-matters and Candy Crowley. I'll take mine from a true Gun Lobby organization that was there when it happened, the GOAL.

LOL, I posted what was on the GOAL website, and that wasn't good enough.

[graehaven]

Originally Posted by steve4102

BS, Have you read this? Maybe you should.

http://www.gop.com/wp-content/upload...OPPlatform.pdf

And, I call BS. You want us to read a 62 page document that the GOP doesn't even adequately represent in any part, and you won't even go search out the Mass law that YOU claim needs to be posted? Even in the face of all the other evidence? You're right, it is BS alright. Your "true" gun lobby organization is in cahoots with the anti gunners, it's been proven in print, and you don't like it. Ok, I get it. Talk about a dead horse. LOL.

Romney is NOT a friend to gun owners or the 2nd Amendment. And the proof is out there, and now here too. I rest MY case.

[graehaven]

Originally Posted by CampingJosh

Romney is not a Republican in name only. Romney is the face of the Republican party. That's who Republicans are. He stands for what Republicans stand for.

If he doesn't stand for what you stand for, it's not because he's not Republican; it's because you are not Republican.

Absolutely!

[steve4102]

Originally Posted by graehaven

LOL, I posted what was on the GOAL website, and that wasn't good enough.

This is what is on the GOAL web site that sets the Record Straight.

This is a perfect example of don’t believe in titles. The bill was the greatest victory for gun owners since the passage of the gun control laws in 1998 (Chapter 180 of the Acts of 1998). It was a reform bill totally supported by GOAL. Press and media stories around the country got it completely wrong when claimed the bill was an extension of the “assault weapon” ban that had sunset at the federal level. They could not have been more wrong.

[Double D]

President Romney, get used to it.

[steve4102]

Originally Posted by Double D

President Romney, get used to it.

Sounds good to me.

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by Double D

President Romney, get used to it.

I hope to. Not confident yet.

Romney is better than Obama. Doesn't make him good, but we nearly all agree there.

[graehaven]

Originally Posted by Double D

President Romney, get used to it.

Certainly. Yet, that's never been the point. The point is, he's not pro-gun, despite all the hype. And it's going to cost us, all of us.

I'm not confident about him in the least. He hasn't given any reason to trust him, in fact, many reasons not to.

[steve4102]

Originally Posted by graehaven

Certainly. Yet, that's never been the point. The point is, he's not pro-gun, despite all the hype. And it's going to cost us, all of us.

I'm not confident about him in the least. He hasn't given any reason to trust him, in fact, many reasons not to.

GOAL and the NRA say different.

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by steve4102

GOAL and the NRA say different.

Without bashing, we've seen the NRA on the wrong side as far as gun rights go. They're a lot more moderate than many want to believe.

They are on our side, certainly, but they've supported anti-gun candidates (and even anti-gun legislation) in the past.

[graehaven]

Originally Posted by steve4102

GOAL and the NRA say different.

Steve, for the love of all that is holy, I hope you are right. I hope Romney doesn't let us down. Actions speak louder than words. So far, his actions leave much to be desired, while his words do a LOT to coax support from conservatively minded folks.