Open Carry (aka "OC")

[BETH]

so what holster do u use

[CloserangeReaper]

Originally Posted by Double D

Yea, the liberals love you! Thats EXACTLY how they think and want you to act. They will have your open carry abolished in no time! Keep up the good work!

Originally Posted by Double D

Your scared. Bottom line. Probably shouldnt be around firearms.

These are the same comments that spew forth from the mouths of the NRA and their useless fear-mongering tactics that are the very reason why I refuse to get a membership with such an organization. If I wanted to listen to propaganda, I would build a time machine and travel back to Nazi Germany.

I very seriously doubt that I have any issue carrying my guns however I want. My state has open carry and concealed as options. I have my concealed permit and I am very much of the opinion that if you have a gun, there is no need to show it off. That only makes people envious or scared and neither of those situations will end up good for you. The envious person will likely call some buddies to come help him jump you and take your gun from you. Remember even with a gun, it's hard to take out six grown men that surprised you. And the scared person is gonna call the police. Not sure about your laws, but North Carolina has a law called "armed to the terror of the public". It pretty much says that if you are armed and someone thinks you mean them or someone else harm (even if you don't) then you will be at the very least asked to remove said firearm either from sight or from your person.

Originally Posted by BETH

so what holster do u use

The Blackhawk SERPA series is a good holster with retention levels I,II and III. I prefer the level II, but the III is what cops usually use. These are also not fool proof in preventing someone from snatching your gun. You can hunt around on YouTube and you will find videos of some guys pulling a SERPA clean off of the base by simply grabbing the pistol in it, and torquing it towards the rear of the person. It ripped clean off and the badguy then had the gun. Just something to look out for when looking at holsters.

[BETH]

ok thanks

[Double D]

Originally Posted by CloserangeReaper

These are the same comments that spew forth from the mouths of the NRA and their useless fear-mongering tactics that are the very reason why I refuse to get a membership with such an organization. If I wanted to listen to propaganda, I would build a time machine and travel back to Nazi Germany.

I very seriously doubt that I have any issue carrying my guns however I want. My state has open carry and concealed as options. I have my concealed permit and I am very much of the opinion that if you have a gun, there is no need to show it off. That only makes people envious or scared and neither of those situations will end up good for you. The envious person will likely call some buddies to come help him jump you and take your gun from you. Remember even with a gun, it's hard to take out six grown men that surprised you. And the scared person is gonna call the police. Not sure about your laws, but North Carolina has a law called "armed to the terror of the public". It pretty much says that if you are armed and someone thinks you mean them or someone else harm (even if you don't) then you will be at the very least asked to remove said firearm either from sight or from your person.

The Blackhawk SERPA series is a good holster with retention levels I,II and III. I prefer the level II, but the III is what cops usually use. These are also not fool proof in preventing someone from snatching your gun. You can hunt around on YouTube and you will find videos of some guys pulling a SERPA clean off of the base by simply grabbing the pistol in it, and torquing it towards the rear of the person. It ripped clean off and the badguy then had the gun. Just something to look out for when looking at holsters.

Like I said, scared. I BEG you to please show me where these "6 man attacks" are taking place. Untold thousands of law abiding citizens are enjoying their god given LEGAL RIGHTS to open carry all over the country and doing it every day without incident. You are more than welcome to make up these scary senarios in your mind and pander to the liberals if you want. I will exercise my RIGHTS before they are taken away. I dont think the way liberals think so I dont understand your way of thinking. P.S. Open carry has NOTHING to do with showing off your gun. Nothing at all. If thats what you think, your clueless.

[CloserangeReaper]

Originally Posted by Double D

Like I said, scared. I BEG you to please show me where these "6 man attacks" are taking place. Untold thousands of law abiding citizens are enjoying their god given LEGAL RIGHTS to open carry all over the country and doing it every day without incident. You are more than welcome to make up these scary senarios in your mind and pander to the liberals if you want. I will exercise my RIGHTS before they are taken away. I dont think the way liberals think so I dont understand your way of thinking. P.S. Open carry has NOTHING to do with showing off your gun. Nothing at all. If thats what you think, your clueless.

Man I think you must work for the NRA. Do you write propaganda for them? I think you do. I'm tired of your fear mongering and bullying of other members here. No one is gonna take away your right to open carry if you don't exercise it frequently. It's not a muscle; it doesn't just go away if you don't use it. Most liberals don't even know about open carry laws in their states. It's hard for them to act against something they don't even know about existing.

Btw, I open carry on occasion and I see nothing wrong with that personally, but when a mother of four stops you in the checkout line of wal-mart and tells you that your gun is scaring her and her children, it's kinda hard to tell them it's all perfectly safe and legal. Moms like that have a way of not hearing what you say once they have decided on how they feel about something.

P.S. I told her point blank (after a few times of trying civilly) that if I was gonna come into Walmart and shoot someone, I wouldn't be doing it after I checked out, I would have started right when I came in the doors. She just gave me a blank stare at the comment. But it shut her up and surprisingly the cops weren't called.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by CloserangeReaper

Man I think you must work for the NRA. Do you write propaganda for them? I think you do. I'm tired of your fear mongering and bullying of other members here. No one is gonna take away your right to open carry if you don't exercise it frequently. It's not a muscle; it doesn't just go away if you don't use it. Most liberals don't even know about open carry laws in their states. It's hard for them to act against something they don't even know about existing.

Btw, I open carry on occasion and I see nothing wrong with that personally, but when a mother of four stops you in the checkout line of wal-mart and tells you that your gun is scaring her and her children, it's kinda hard to tell them it's all perfectly safe and legal. Moms like that have a way of not hearing what you say once they have decided on how they feel about something.

P.S. I told her point blank (after a few times of trying civilly) that if I was gonna come into Walmart and shoot someone, I wouldn't be doing it after I checked out, I would have started right when I came in the doors. She just gave me a blank stare at the comment. But it shut her up and surprisingly the cops weren't called.

Your tired of me bullying members here? Really? Maybe you had better think that one out a little bit. I could care less who is scared of my gun. That is their problem, not mine. Open carry is a right and can be done so whenever and where ever someone wishes to do it. The mother needs to educate her children, I am not hiding my gun. I dont pander to the liberals. Get over it.

[Double D]

Oh yea

http://thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=110596

[ka64]

Originally Posted by CloserangeReaper

These are the same comments that spew forth from the mouths of the NRA and their useless fear-mongering tactics that are the very reason why I refuse to get a membership with such an organization. If I wanted to listen to propaganda, I would build a time machine and travel back to Nazi Germany.

I very seriously doubt that I have any issue carrying my guns however I want. My state has open carry and concealed as options. I have my concealed permit and I am very much of the opinion that if you have a gun, there is no need to show it off. That only makes people envious or scared and neither of those situations will end up good for you. The envious person will likely call some buddies to come help him jump you and take your gun from you. Remember even with a gun, it's hard to take out six grown men that surprised you. And the scared person is gonna call the police. Not sure about your laws, but North Carolina has a law called "armed to the terror of the public". It pretty much says that if you are armed and someone thinks you mean them or someone else harm (even if you don't) then you will be at the very least asked to remove said firearm either from sight or from your person.

The Blackhawk SERPA series is a good holster with retention levels I,II and III. I prefer the level II, but the III is what cops usually use. These are also not fool proof in preventing someone from snatching your gun. You can hunt around on YouTube and you will find videos of some guys pulling a SERPA clean off of the base by simply grabbing the pistol in it, and torquing it towards the rear of the person. It ripped clean off and the badguy then had the gun. Just something to look out for when looking at holsters.

Serpas are a terrible choice, button jamms & you cannot pull the weapon out.
Do some research.

http://policelink.monster.com/topics...e-deadly/posts

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...olster-issues/

http://www.bing.com/search?q=blackha...ox&FORM=IE8SRC

[clamman]

Not going to get into it, but I choose to carry concealed. I know a LOT of the local leos here and I don't want them to think I'm a rambo. My choice, just like everbody else.

[GLS_1956]

Oklahoma allows for conceled carry right now. When November arrives our conceled carry permit becomes a carry permit, open or conceled.

The main reason for this is to prevent a person legally carrying conceled from being prosicuted if he or she accidently "prints".

That said, we will be able to openly carry sidearms, as long as we have the permit. However, most police departments have said that they will check to see if anyone carrying in the open has the required license.

Open or conceled. You will need the license.

All this said. I will be pleased to have my Browning Buckmark on my hip while fishing.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by clamman

Not going to get into it, but I choose to carry concealed. I know a LOT of the local leos here and I don't want them to think I'm a rambo. My choice, just like everbody else.

Is that what they would think or is that what you think they would think? There is nothing wrong with choosing to carry concealed. What is wrong is the misconception and the fear of open carry that it is wrong to do it when it is perfectly normal and perfectly legal. If you dont want to open carry, thats fine. If it is legal where you live and you dont do it because you are scared of the liberals or what someone may think or you make up scary senarios in your mind about bad men coming to get you, something is wrong. Open carry is just as legal as riding a bicycle and people who dont understand it or that dont like it need to get used to it and get over it. Legal means legal means legal no matter how many times you spell it.

[CloserangeReaper]

Originally Posted by Double D

Your tired of me bullying members here? Really? Maybe you had better think that one out a little bit. I could care less who is scared of my gun. That is their problem, not mine. Open carry is a right and can be done so whenever and where ever someone wishes to do it. The mother needs to educate her children, I am not hiding my gun. I dont pander to the liberals. Get over it.

It seems to me that you are trying to bully people here into carrying how you want them to carry. And that's just as bad as a liberal telling me I can't have a concealed gun in public.

And you aren't my mother, nor anyone else's here for that matter. I don't need you to teach me a damn thing, so please get that fool idea out of your head. If you feel like walking around with your gun to "scare liberals", don't get all pissy when you wind up in jail overnight or with a nice fine for breaking some obscure law in your state, like the "armed to the terror of the public" law here in NC.

Good luck with not getting the cops called on you. I'll be enjoying my concealed handgun without the hassle of someone freaking out on me in public.

[CloserangeReaper]

Originally Posted by ka64

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Serpas are a terrible choice, button jamms & you cannot pull the weapon out.
Do some research.

http://policelink.monster.com/topics...e-deadly/posts

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...olster-issues/

http://www.bing.com/search?q=blackha...ox&FORM=IE8SRC

I've seen those before. With that being said, all five of my SERPA holsters have yet to give me any issues and I use them all the time.

That being said, I'll probably be going to something like the raven concealment holsters or something soon. I don't care for how far off my hip the SERPA sits for concealed carry. It's a bit bulky for it really. But it makes a good range holster.

[RunningOnMT]

Originally Posted by CloserangeReaper

Man I think you must work for the NRA. Do you write propaganda for them? I think you do. I'm tired of your fear mongering and bullying of other members here. No one is gonna take away your right to open carry if you don't exercise it frequently. It's not a muscle; it doesn't just go away if you don't use it. Most liberals don't even know about open carry laws in their states. It's hard for them to act against something they don't even know about existing.

Btw, I open carry on occasion and I see nothing wrong with that personally, but when a mother of four stops you in the checkout line of wal-mart and tells you that your gun is scaring her and her children, it's kinda hard to tell them it's all perfectly safe and legal. Moms like that have a way of not hearing what you say once they have decided on how they feel about something.

P.S. I told her point blank (after a few times of trying civilly) that if I was gonna come into Walmart and shoot someone, I wouldn't be doing it after I checked out, I would have started right when I came in the doors. She just gave me a blank stare at the comment. But it shut her up and surprisingly the cops weren't called.

My hero. At last, somebody with the courage to stand up to DoubleD's bullying. Has he been stealing your lunch money too? I've been afraid to say anything, but I feel safe now that you're here.

Let's see, you joined TFF in Oct 2012?? So how many days did it take you to get tired of it? Just askin'.

[Double D]

Did you take the time to read this link? http://thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=110596

Just wondering, we normally delete threads that contain content of liberal leaning views. The above link directly addresses this very issue that has been discussed here several times in the past. We consider it anti gun to be afraid to open carry in a state that its legal to open carry in and we have deleted threads because of the content. This is a pro gun forum. P.S. Please read where the forum administrator says that this issue is the position of the forum and "not open for discussion" Maybe your now mad at him for bullying people too.

[gvw3]

Double D calls it as he see's it. I don't think he is trying to bully anyone. In the state I live in we can't carry in any way. Here you see off duty cops in street clothes carrying all the time. They don't seem to draw much attention with it.

[ka64]

Originally Posted by CloserangeReaper

I've seen those before. With that being said, all five of my SERPA holsters have yet to give me any issues and I use them all the time.

That being said, I'll probably be going to something like the raven concealment holsters or something soon. I don't care for how far off my hip the SERPA sits for concealed carry. It's a bit bulky for it really. But it makes a good range holster.

Raven makes IMB & OWB. Both good choices........

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...TERS&FORM=IGRE

[ShawnDow]

Originally Posted by BETH

It is legal in Ct. and no one does it i am going to try it see what happens, u guys might see me in the paper

Or on you tube!

[armedandsafe]

Just sayin':

http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issu...se-goes-viral/

Pops

[Double D]

Not many people walk around with a firearm hanging around their neck that looks like a full auto firearm. I think I can safely say the majority of open carry folks are carrying their personal firearm on their side just like their cell phone or pager and going about life as normal and most of them do it every day and it is second nature to them and they dont think twice about it. They dont flaunt it, they dont stick it in anyones face, they arent aggressive in any way, shape or form. They are just normal, everyday law abiding citizens who are doing what the law allows them to do. Nothing more, nothing less. No fear, no trying to scare anyone, none of that. Just obeying the law as usual like they do every day. Yea, they arent bad people that are trying to scare women and children, but they realize its their right to do what they do and if someone is offended, well, so be it. I am offended by a bunch of stuff I cant change. Such is life.

[firefighter1635]

Double D i'm with ya man. Remember, libs have mental diseases and you or I can't change the way they think, your being "drawn in" by CloserangeReaper for an arguement. Don't fall for it.

I thought I smelled Lib when I logged in.

[firefighter1635]

Oh. And don't bully me please .

[CloserangeReaper]

Originally Posted by Double D

Did you take the time to read this link? http://thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=110596

Just wondering, we normally delete threads that contain content of liberal leaning views. The above link directly addresses this very issue that has been discussed here several times in the past. We consider it anti gun to be afraid to open carry in a state that its legal to open carry in and we have deleted threads because of the content. This is a pro gun forum. P.S. Please read where the forum administrator says that this issue is the position of the forum and "not open for discussion" Maybe your now mad at him for bullying people too.

I read the link a few days ago. You can feel however you want about it, but you will not impose your will upon me and I will not stand idly by and let you. If you and the owner like the idea of open carry and want to see more people doing it, then this is not how you support it. You come across as a bully or just someone that doesn't care what I think or feel about the subject. I think open carry is great. It's wonderful for people that don't have concealed carry permits. But I feel that there is no need for me to advertise that I have a gun on me. That's how I feel about it and your ideals won't change my opinion on the matter. If you don't like it, tough. I will continue to carry a gun, but I'm gonna do so with it concealed.

[RunningOnMT]

Hey reaper, lighten up a bit. How you carry is your business and nobody is going to impose their will on you, at least not in the way you think. DoubleD is a well respected member of TFF and trust me he's no bully. The problem is a number of the more senior members go back a spell and they have each others back. We don't take kindly to the new dog in the pack barking up one of our friends. You just joined. You might want to take your time and get to know the folks here before you challenge them to a duel.

[BETH]

reaper calm down "to each his own" everyone is expressing their opinions no one can make u do anything. I have not been shooting for a long time but i do feel that if more people started to o/c then the general public would not think anything of it and would not be afraid. i now think it is a right given to us and i am going to do it, i also think if all the crooks out there would see our guns maybe they would think twice.