Found this interesting....

45silverback · 11-01-2012, 12:55 PM

Thought I would share with y'all.

A friend of mine e-mailed this to me. Whoever the person is who wrote this has it pretty much nailed I think.

Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way that you can quickly understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there has it figured out. It was translated into English from an article in the Prague newspaper, "Prager Zeitungon".

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their President."

Double D · 11-01-2012, 01:08 PM

Yea, this is exactly why I have been so pissed at the people that were so stupid and so blind that they allowed this idiot this opportunity to dismantle our country. How can people be so stupid. People that put him in should have to pay a price of some sort.

45silverback · 11-01-2012, 01:10 PM

I think they will ultimately pay a price. The problem is, those of us who opposed and still oppose him will have to pay the same, if not a higher price.

Double D · 11-01-2012, 01:14 PM

Oh I know we have to pay a price but they should be held accountable somehow for this disaster. This was totally preventable and so simple to see thru yet the blind idiots were led like sheep to slaughter. We may never fully recover.

45silverback · 11-01-2012, 01:18 PM

Oh, I agree with you completely. I just don't see it happening Brother...

GunnyGene · 11-01-2012, 01:37 PM

A good restatement of this phrase from the Declaration: ......."and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

45silverback · 11-01-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GunnyGene

A good restatement of this phrase from the Declaration: ......."and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

Roger that Gunny....

BillM · 11-01-2012, 01:51 PM

That---and the part right after it:

Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

45silverback · 11-01-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BillM

That---and the part right after it:

Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

Absodamnedlutely... Exactly....

GunnyGene · 11-01-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 45silverback

Absodamnedlutely... Exactly....

What confuses many people about this, and therefore prevents them from correcting the situation - is that they confound "The Government" with The Constitution. They are not the same thing. It does not say ..."do ordain and establish this "Government" for the United States of America. Which is why the remainder of the Constitution provides the means of controlling and replacing a Government every few years. The Constitution is forever, the Government is temporary, not vice versa.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

45silverback · 11-01-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GunnyGene

What confuses many people about this, and therefore prevents them from correcting the situation - is that they confound "The Government" with The Constitution. They are not the same thing. It does not say ..."do ordain and establish this "Government" for the United States of America. Which is why the remainder of the Constitution provides the means of controlling and replacing a Government every few years. The Constitution is forever, the Government is temporary, not vice versa.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Once again, Roger that Gunny. Without our Constitution, we are just another groupe of people standing on another piece of real estate. Our Constitution is what makes us who we are and a great nation. Why anyone would think we should "Progress" beyond the Constitution that has carried us thus far is beyond me...

GunnyGene · 11-01-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 45silverback

Once again, Roger that Gunny. Without our Constitution, we are just another groupe of people standing on another piece of real estate. Our Constitution is what makes us who we are and a great nation. Why anyone would think we should "Progress" beyond the Constitution that has carried us thus far is beyond me...

Because to many people the Constitution is an abstract, while the Government is in their face 24/7. It is human nature to give their loyalty to a Government as opposed to an idea; whether that Government is a tribal chieftain, a King, or a complex bureaucracy. It's been that way throughout most of human history, which is why it's so difficult to overcome.

The founders recognized that difficulty and did their best to give us the tools we need. But "We The People" must pick up those tools and put them to use, regardless of how heavy and complicated they are.

There is the famous quote; "A Republic, Madam, if you can keep it."

45silverback · 11-01-2012, 02:36 PM

I fear I will live to see the end of the Grand Old Republic Gunny. I had hoped otherwise...

GunnyGene · 11-01-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 45silverback

I fear I will live to see the end of the Grand Old Republic Gunny. I had hoped otherwise...

The fat lady has yet to sing.

45silverback · 11-01-2012, 03:02 PM

I hpe you are right Brother....

bugeye · 11-02-2012, 10:09 AM

Congress and the president could pass laws completely eliminating private ownership of guns. and over the many years that it would take to go through all the lower courts and finally the SCOTUS. our guns would have been collected and melted.
this president completely ignores the constitution and nobody has the guts to stop him.

time2shoot · 11-02-2012, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bugeye

Congress and the president could pass laws completely eliminating private ownership of guns. and over the many years that it would take to go through all the lower courts and finally the SCOTUS. our guns would have been collected and melted.
this president completely ignores the constitution and nobody has the guts to stop him.

There are plenty of people, here and else where. that are standing up to him.
The problum, like Double D has said before, It's geting them off the butts. and do somthing about it. And not just agree with it.

bugeye · 11-02-2012, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by time2shoot

There are plenty of people, here and else where. that are standing up to him.
The problum, like Double D has said before, It's geting them off the butts. and do somthing about it. And not just agree with it.

I have felt like, for a long time, that if obama wins a second term, we'll end up in a revolution because this country can't survive another four years of that communist.
personally, I am too old to fight. but I have guns and ammo to hand out to those that need them.
I pray every day that it won't come to war.

11-01-2012, 12:55 PM	#1
45silverback V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 153	Found this interesting.... Thought I would share with y'all. A friend of mine e-mailed this to me. Whoever the person is who wrote this has it pretty much nailed I think. Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way that you can quickly understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there has it figured out. It was translated into English from an article in the Prague newspaper, "Prager Zeitungon". "The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their President." __________________ VR, Harry MSgt USAF (RET) -->

11-01-2012, 01:08 PM	#2
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,047	Re: Found this interesting.... Yea, this is exactly why I have been so pissed at the people that were so stupid and so blind that they allowed this idiot this opportunity to dismantle our country. How can people be so stupid. People that put him in should have to pay a price of some sort. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

11-01-2012, 01:10 PM	#3
45silverback V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 153	Re: Found this interesting.... I think they will ultimately pay a price. The problem is, those of us who opposed and still oppose him will have to pay the same, if not a higher price. __________________ VR, Harry MSgt USAF (RET)

11-01-2012, 01:14 PM	#4
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,047	Re: Found this interesting.... Oh I know we have to pay a price but they should be held accountable somehow for this disaster. This was totally preventable and so simple to see thru yet the blind idiots were led like sheep to slaughter. We may never fully recover. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

11-01-2012, 01:18 PM	#5
45silverback V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 153	Re: Found this interesting.... Oh, I agree with you completely. I just don't see it happening Brother... __________________ VR, Harry MSgt USAF (RET)

11-01-2012, 01:37 PM	#6
GunnyGene Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,962	Re: Found this interesting.... A good restatement of this phrase from the Declaration: ......."and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

11-01-2012, 01:51 PM	#8
BillM V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Amity Orygun Posts: 380	Re: Found this interesting.... That---and the part right after it: Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

11-01-2012, 02:36 PM	#13
45silverback V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 153	Re: Found this interesting.... I fear I will live to see the end of the Grand Old Republic Gunny. I had hoped otherwise... __________________ VR, Harry MSgt USAF (RET)

11-01-2012, 03:02 PM	#15
45silverback V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 153	Re: Found this interesting.... I hpe you are right Brother.... __________________ VR, Harry MSgt USAF (RET)

11-02-2012, 10:09 AM	#16
bugeye Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Morrow Ga. Posts: 12	Re: Found this interesting.... Congress and the president could pass laws completely eliminating private ownership of guns. and over the many years that it would take to go through all the lower courts and finally the SCOTUS. our guns would have been collected and melted. this president completely ignores the constitution and nobody has the guts to stop him. __________________ WHEN WE STOP FIGHTING FOR RIGHT WRONG WILL RUN RAMPANT. Go ahead and shrug your shoulders about abortion, satan will love you for it.