new to reloading- Primer issue - The Firearms Forum

crazyjake · 11-04-2012, 08:46 PM

New to reloading. Using an RCSB reloader.Installed a new primer in a used 45 casing. Friend decided to try firing and the primers are about halfway out of the casing, if not falling out after firing. Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

woolleyworm · 11-04-2012, 08:52 PM

Welcome to TFF, sounds like a loose primer pocket or they weren't fully seated. Measure several of them after seating and let us know. They should be .002 or more below flush.

ozo · 11-04-2012, 09:00 PM

Good to have ya crazyjake.......
can you give us some more information as to what's going on ?
Don't go away....many of us here will be glad to try and help.

USMCSpeedy · 11-04-2012, 09:07 PM

Are these large or small primer 45's? We are talking 45ACP correct?

76Highboy · 11-04-2012, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyjake

New to reloading. Using an RCSB reloader.Installed a new primer in a used 45 casing. Friend decided to try firing and the primers are about halfway out of the casing, if not falling out after firing. Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

If I read this right it seems that you are firing the case with just a primer in it.

If you do this the primer will stay partially seated out of the case. What happens is when there is a cartridge in the chamber and the trigger is pulled the firing pin strikes the primer and the primer explodes backing out of the case. Then the powder ignites and the bullet begins moving. Because of the pressure buildup the case id forced back against the primer and the primer is then reseated into the primer pocket.

If you are firing the primer with out the powder and bullet it will not reseat all the way.

AS long as the primer pocket is clean and the primer is flush after it is seated there is no need to test fire the primer in an empty casing.

crazyjake · 11-04-2012, 09:50 PM

They are 45ACP large primers. We are using a wire brush mounted in a drill press at low rpm to clean primer cavity. Primer is seated to -.001 below flush.
We fired just case and primer. To see if this was just a fluke, fired a few more. Of all we had 2 primers completely fall out and 4 others come about halfway out. On the last one the pistol jammed and when we finally got the casing out the rim was torn.

gdmoody · 11-04-2012, 09:59 PM

I suggest you try seating some without doing the primer pocket cleaning and see what happens. Sounds like you are getting a little to vigorous with the cleaning. The primr pocket does not have to be shiny clean.

ozo · 11-04-2012, 10:05 PM

I'm lost here....please help, someone...!!!!!!

whirley · 11-04-2012, 10:11 PM

Could you possibly be enlarging the primer pocket by using that powered wire brush? I have never found it necessary to to use anything other than a hand held, hand operated tool to clean out the primer pockets. Then it's just a touch or two.

crazyjake · 11-04-2012, 10:42 PM

Tried a primer without cleaning the pocket with the same result. We also tried removing the bullet and powder from a new unfired with the same result.
Had to read post from 76 Highboy a couple times before it made sense. Never thought about that aspect. Boy do I have alot to learn.

ozo · 11-04-2012, 10:51 PM

Hang in there with us...we will lead you.....somewhere.
Give us more details....and we shall try to help.
What are you firing these in????
Senility has overcome me I reckon.....
I am NOT following this...at all !

oldgunfan · 11-04-2012, 10:54 PM

Are you just firing a primer in an empty case with no powder charge and no bullet? If so I try the same thing once when I was testing a 1911 that I had change the firing pin on and when I pulled the case out the primer was half out and the front of the case crimped in where it tried to in the barrel. Soo as Highboy said its normal.

gdmoody · 11-04-2012, 10:59 PM

Is it possible to post a picture of the cases and the primers you are using. Also one of the case with the primer half out of it.

crazyjake · 11-04-2012, 11:03 PM

Tried firings in both a Sig and a Glock. The Glock actually jammed where it took alot of effort to get the slide back to remove shell.
Since using a new unfired round(bullet and powder removed) with same result I tend to agree with Highboy and Oldgunfan.
Thanks to everyone who responded

ozo · 11-04-2012, 11:07 PM

jake, you crazy____
If you are firing these 45NDA's from a XRTS-22-45
there is no way to avoid primer problems....
not unless you have an upgrade to the SST4mm
buffer with nicron velta and the hardened steel pin.
YouTube has several new vids with updated info....
good luck, dude.

gdmoody · 11-04-2012, 11:10 PM

Jona - - whatchu talking bout??

76Highboy · 11-05-2012, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyjake

Tried firings in both a Sig and a Glock. The Glock actually jammed where it took alot of effort to get the slide back to remove shell.
Since using a new unfired round(bullet and powder removed) with same result I tend to agree with Highboy and Oldgunfan.
Thanks to everyone who responded

Glad to help Jake. You seem like a good guy. Hang around a bit.

LDBennett · 11-05-2012, 08:40 AM

OK...Mass confusion!!

It is clear that crazyjake is firing empty but primed cases.

What he is seeing is absolutely normal.

The normal process of firing a cartridge is as 76Highboy stated

"What happens is when there is a cartridge in the chamber and the trigger is pulled the firing pin strikes the primer and the primer explodes backing (the primer) out of the case. Then the powder ignites and the bullet begins moving. Because of the pressure buildup, the case is forced back against the primer and the primer is then reseated into the primer pocket. "

When the burning of the powder is omitted with no bullet (incomplete cartridge) you get the results that crazyjake got every time.

LDBennett

11-04-2012, 08:46 PM	#1
crazyjake Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 4	new to reloading- Primer issue New to reloading. Using an RCSB reloader.Installed a new primer in a used 45 casing. Friend decided to try firing and the primers are about halfway out of the casing, if not falling out after firing. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? -->

11-04-2012, 08:52 PM	#2
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,881	Re: new to reloading- Primer issue Welcome to TFF, sounds like a loose primer pocket or they weren't fully seated. Measure several of them after seating and let us know. They should be .002 or more below flush. __________________ . What are you gonna do, talk the alien to death? -- (on Sigourney Weaver's worry about Guns in Aliens) "Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." "I carry a small gun to compensate for my huge Blue press." .

11-04-2012, 09:00 PM	#3
ozo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 2,770	Re: new to reloading- Primer issue Good to have ya crazyjake....... can you give us some more information as to what's going on ? Don't go away....many of us here will be glad to try and help. __________________ http://www.nranews.com/#/nranews, "ozo. you're off your rocker sir." -johnlives4christ http://www.prisonplanet.com/ -America,Bless GOD-

11-04-2012, 09:07 PM	#4
USMCSpeedy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 627	Re: new to reloading- Primer issue Are these large or small primer 45's? We are talking 45ACP correct? __________________ If all else fails, VOTE FROM THE ROOFTOPS Trying to reform a liberal is like trying to pick up a turd from the clean end. What this country needs is more family trees that will produce more lumber and fewer nuts!

11-04-2012, 09:50 PM	#6
crazyjake Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 4	Re: new to reloading- Primer issue They are 45ACP large primers. We are using a wire brush mounted in a drill press at low rpm to clean primer cavity. Primer is seated to -.001 below flush. We fired just case and primer. To see if this was just a fluke, fired a few more. Of all we had 2 primers completely fall out and 4 others come about halfway out. On the last one the pistol jammed and when we finally got the casing out the rim was torn.

11-04-2012, 09:59 PM	#7
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,310	Re: new to reloading- Primer issue I suggest you try seating some without doing the primer pocket cleaning and see what happens. Sounds like you are getting a little to vigorous with the cleaning. The primr pocket does not have to be shiny clean. __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant) Last edited by gdmoody; 11-04-2012 at 11:00 PM.. Reason: spelling

11-04-2012, 10:05 PM	#8
ozo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 2,770	Re: new to reloading- Primer issue I'm lost here....please help, someone...!!!!!! __________________ http://www.nranews.com/#/nranews, "ozo. you're off your rocker sir." -johnlives4christ http://www.prisonplanet.com/ -America,Bless GOD-

11-04-2012, 10:11 PM	#9
whirley V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Contributor Posts: 457	Re: new to reloading- Primer issue Could you possibly be enlarging the primer pocket by using that powered wire brush? I have never found it necessary to to use anything other than a hand held, hand operated tool to clean out the primer pockets. Then it's just a touch or two.

11-04-2012, 10:42 PM	#10
crazyjake Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 4	Re: new to reloading- Primer issue Tried a primer without cleaning the pocket with the same result. We also tried removing the bullet and powder from a new unfired with the same result. Had to read post from 76 Highboy a couple times before it made sense. Never thought about that aspect. Boy do I have alot to learn.

11-04-2012, 10:51 PM	#11
ozo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 2,770	Re: new to reloading- Primer issue Hang in there with us...we will lead you.....somewhere. Give us more details....and we shall try to help. What are you firing these in???? Senility has overcome me I reckon..... I am NOT following this...at all ! __________________ http://www.nranews.com/#/nranews, "ozo. you're off your rocker sir." -johnlives4christ http://www.prisonplanet.com/ -America,Bless GOD- Last edited by ozo; 11-04-2012 at 10:54 PM..

11-04-2012, 10:54 PM	#12
oldgunfan V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Contributor Posts: 137	Re: new to reloading- Primer issue Are you just firing a primer in an empty case with no powder charge and no bullet? If so I try the same thing once when I was testing a 1911 that I had change the firing pin on and when I pulled the case out the primer was half out and the front of the case crimped in where it tried to in the barrel. Soo as Highboy said its normal.

11-04-2012, 10:59 PM	#13
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,310	Re: new to reloading- Primer issue Is it possible to post a picture of the cases and the primers you are using. Also one of the case with the primer half out of it. __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

11-04-2012, 11:03 PM	#14
crazyjake Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 4	Re: new to reloading- Primer issue Tried firings in both a Sig and a Glock. The Glock actually jammed where it took alot of effort to get the slide back to remove shell. Since using a new unfired round(bullet and powder removed) with same result I tend to agree with Highboy and Oldgunfan. Thanks to everyone who responded

11-04-2012, 11:07 PM	#15
ozo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 2,770	Re: new to reloading- Primer issue jake, you crazy____ If you are firing these 45NDA's from a XRTS-22-45 there is no way to avoid primer problems.... not unless you have an upgrade to the SST4mm buffer with nicron velta and the hardened steel pin. YouTube has several new vids with updated info.... good luck, dude. __________________ http://www.nranews.com/#/nranews, "ozo. you're off your rocker sir." -johnlives4christ http://www.prisonplanet.com/ -America,Bless GOD-

11-04-2012, 11:10 PM	#16
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,310	Re: new to reloading- Primer issue Jona - - whatchu talking bout?? __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

11-05-2012, 08:40 AM	#18
LDBennett Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 5,710	Re: new to reloading- Primer issue OK...Mass confusion!! It is clear that crazyjake is firing empty but primed cases. What he is seeing is absolutely normal. The normal process of firing a cartridge is as 76Highboy stated "What happens is when there is a cartridge in the chamber and the trigger is pulled the firing pin strikes the primer and the primer explodes backing (the primer) out of the case. Then the powder ignites and the bullet begins moving. Because of the pressure buildup, the case is forced back against the primer and the primer is then reseated into the primer pocket. " When the burning of the powder is omitted with no bullet (incomplete cartridge) you get the results that crazyjake got every time. LDBennett