wrong C.O.L - The Firearms Forum

oldgunfan · 11-03-2012, 02:49 PM

I came home from work the other day and my dad was in my basement reloading some 45acp's (he's old and he has key's to my house) they are Zero brand 230grn fmj 5.6grns W231 fed150 primers. now to the bad part he seated them a bit to far 1.230 I normally seat them at 1.260 or 1.270 for the same charge. do you think they will be ok? or do I get to spend the day pulling bullets.

TheGunClinger · 11-03-2012, 07:11 PM

The Lee manual has a min. oal of 1.190 for that load. They also have a max load of 5.1 grains.

Oneida Steve · 11-03-2012, 09:36 PM

I would go ahead and shoot those loads. The OAL might be a bit shorter than usual, but I can't see any real problem. Try a few and see what happens.

You don't seem to be worried about the powder charge, and I agree. Newer reloading manuals are often very conservative. Older manuals (Speer #12) give a maximum load of 6.2 grains of WW 231 with a 230 grain FMJ bullet.

oldgunfan · 11-03-2012, 09:59 PM

military ball is 5.4grns to 5.6grns of w231 or 4.8 to 5.0grns of bullseye at a C.O.L of 1.270 with a 230grn FMJ that has a bullet length of .660 to .656 as near as I can tell they maybe near +p but I'm not real sure. the Zero bullets length are .656 I'll try a few and see if there too hot or not. just thought maybe someone might have more info. thanks steve

oneoldsap · 11-04-2012, 01:55 PM

That's a stiff load for sure , that's the same charge I put under a 185 Gr. HP . Which is supposed to be a +P load .

JLA · 11-04-2012, 02:46 PM

Dont pull em.. all the way. just bump em out with the kinetic hammer and re-seat them to 1.260-1.270"

oldgunfan · 11-04-2012, 03:36 PM

JLA, do you think they will be to hot? I'll bump them if you think so, but I was going to try one or two in my XDM. I don't think it will hurt that thing.

JLA · 11-04-2012, 03:48 PM

Not dangerously hot. But a little stouter than normal. I wouldnt run them with a recoil spring lighter than 18#. The XDM will be fine with them. any 1911 should be fine with them. Even at the current OAL.

oldgunfan · 11-04-2012, 04:27 PM

I'll bump them, better to be safe than sorry. thanks JLA

JLA · 11-05-2012, 08:05 PM

tis better to err on the side of safety when reloading.

11-03-2012, 07:11 PM	#2
TheGunClinger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: SW Florida Contributor Posts: 2,383	Re: wrong C.O.L The Lee manual has a min. oal of 1.190 for that load. They also have a max load of 5.1 grains. __________________ New England Patriots Rule Next year.

11-03-2012, 09:36 PM	#3
Oneida Steve Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 1,028	Re: wrong C.O.L I would go ahead and shoot those loads. The OAL might be a bit shorter than usual, but I can't see any real problem. Try a few and see what happens. You don't seem to be worried about the powder charge, and I agree. Newer reloading manuals are often very conservative. Older manuals (Speer #12) give a maximum load of 6.2 grains of WW 231 with a 230 grain FMJ bullet.

11-03-2012, 09:59 PM	#4
oldgunfan V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Contributor Posts: 137	Re: wrong C.O.L military ball is 5.4grns to 5.6grns of w231 or 4.8 to 5.0grns of bullseye at a C.O.L of 1.270 with a 230grn FMJ that has a bullet length of .660 to .656 as near as I can tell they maybe near +p but I'm not real sure. the Zero bullets length are .656 I'll try a few and see if there too hot or not. just thought maybe someone might have more info. thanks steve

11-04-2012, 01:55 PM	#5
oneoldsap V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 102	Re: wrong C.O.L That's a stiff load for sure , that's the same charge I put under a 185 Gr. HP . Which is supposed to be a +P load .

11-04-2012, 02:46 PM	#6
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,320	Re: wrong C.O.L Dont pull em.. all the way. just bump em out with the kinetic hammer and re-seat them to 1.260-1.270" __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

11-03-2012, 02:49 PM	#1
oldgunfan V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Contributor Posts: 137	wrong C.O.L I came home from work the other day and my dad was in my basement reloading some 45acp's (he's old and he has key's to my house) they are Zero brand 230grn fmj 5.6grns W231 fed150 primers. now to the bad part he seated them a bit to far 1.230 I normally seat them at 1.260 or 1.270 for the same charge. do you think they will be ok? or do I get to spend the day pulling bullets. -->

11-04-2012, 03:36 PM	#7
oldgunfan V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Contributor Posts: 137	Re: wrong C.O.L JLA, do you think they will be to hot? I'll bump them if you think so, but I was going to try one or two in my XDM. I don't think it will hurt that thing.

11-04-2012, 03:48 PM	#8
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,320	Re: wrong C.O.L Not dangerously hot. But a little stouter than normal. I wouldnt run them with a recoil spring lighter than 18#. The XDM will be fine with them. any 1911 should be fine with them. Even at the current OAL. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

11-04-2012, 04:27 PM	#9
oldgunfan V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Contributor Posts: 137	Re: wrong C.O.L I'll bump them, better to be safe than sorry. thanks JLA

11-05-2012, 08:05 PM	#10
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,320	Re: wrong C.O.L tis better to err on the side of safety when reloading. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!