Second Strike Capability on New Agent? - The Firearms Forum

.44SNUB · 11-06-2012, 06:40 AM

I have not read all of the threads (yet) and would like to know if the DAO Colt New Agent has second strike capability. Would be a shame if their engineers left that out.

carver · 11-06-2012, 06:59 AM

It is a true Double Action pistol, so I would think that second strike would be there. Here is a good write up on it: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/rev...e-colt-stable/

.44SNUB · 11-06-2012, 03:28 PM

Thank you Carver for your reply and the great article.

Here is a posting I copied off TFF. I hope the Colt is not two-faced as this posting says about Glock and Kahr.
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DAO has TWO faces. Beretta builds a DAO M-92, whick cocks and drops the hammer, full force, every time the trigger is pulled, just like a S&W revolver; Glock, also considered DAO, by most, and Kahr, do not! Both Kahr, and Glock, require slide cycling to 'half cock' the striker, the trigger doing the rest. Consistant pull, when the gun runs, but "no joy" (read this, immediate action drill:"Tap-Rack-Bang") if it does not!
The Beretta, and the S&W 39/59 crowd, will at least, give a full force swat, to the same (dud?) round, if the trigger is pulled again! Same applies to Walther, in the PP, and P, series pistols.
S&W Revolver, action is the same; ie, pull the trigger again, except you get a new round in the breech, every pull of the trigger!
Draw your own conclusions, based on application, ability, budget, and energy requirements.

carver · 11-06-2012, 04:07 PM

Sorry I didn't welcome you to the forum on my first post, just didn't see that you were new!
I believe the Glock, and Khar, are striker fired guns. For the guns that are striker-fired and SAO (like the Glock or Khar) there is no "second-strike" capability, meaning if the first pull of the trigger doesn't go bang, you cannot just squeeze the trigger again and strike the primer again. I think that the Colt New Agent, with a 10 lb trigger pull would be second strike capable.
Just courious though as to why you would want a gun with second strike ability? If that primer didn't "pop" the first time it was struck, I don't think I would be worried about a second strike! Tap-Rack-Bang gets back into the fight much quicker with any semi-auto!

.44SNUB · 11-07-2012, 06:53 AM

I joined this forum in May 2010, but I believe this is my first posting. Like all forums you have to sift through some amount of chaff to get to the real stuff. I was one of the first in South Carolina to get a CWP, at last my carry was legal.
My carry gun when in the USA is a Charter Arms .44 Bulldog (1974). The original tapered barrel, non-sleeved. I decided the 3" made the gun too long for my pocket (only 7/16" shorter than my Browning Hi-Power). I was on a work assignment in California in 1991 and had a gunsmith take the barrel down to 1 13/16" and make that dreadful hook front sight into a non-snagging ramp. I had him take the hammer spur off, a detriment to metal in the pocket being removed. It was reborn as 6 5/16" long with the original Bulldog grips.
It didn't take me long to realize this gun was areal beast to shoot. I may have been better off to have an assailant shoot the gun at me. It has stopping power at both ends. I sent the Bulldog to Mag-Na-Port for their famous surgery. Well, the gun did not flip so much anymore and, maybe it's my imagination, the perceived recoil seemed to be less. Yes I know that's against the laws of physics but it was there.
I borrowed a chronograph and ran several factory loads through the screens. Very disappointing ballistics.....the bullet isn't in the barrel long enopugh to get the benefit of the explosion. I decided to look for the fiercest .44 Special load. It is Buffalo Bore Heavy .44 with a 255-grain Keith bullet. Tim of Buffalo Bore says don't shoot their round in the Bulldog, I disobeyed knowing of hotter handloads being fed through the light Bulldog. I fired enough rounds to get an average chronograph reading, but not more. The gun is hell to shoot. It would be used only in times of self-defense since I am not a sado-masochist. 817 FPS gives it the same energy as a 230-grain .45ACP.
I guess I got carried away with my revolver story in a 1911 forum. Please forgive me for defiling the forum.
Nice to meet you Carver.
Ed

.44SNUB · 11-07-2012, 06:58 AM

Hmmmm, I neglected to say why I'm interested in the New Agent. I'm considering giving my Bulldog a rest and using a pony.

carver · 11-07-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by .44SNUB

Hmmmm, I neglected to say why I'm interested in the New Agent. I'm considering giving my Bulldog a rest and using a pony.

Still, Just courious though as to why you would want a gun with second strike cability? If that primer didn't "pop" the first time it was struck, I don't think I would be worried about a second strike! Tap-Rack-Bang gets back into the fight much quicker with any semi-auto!

crockett007 · 11-08-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by carver

Still, Just courious though as to why you would want a gun with second strike cability? If that primer didn't "pop" the first time it was struck, I don't think I would be worried about a second strike! Tap-Rack-Bang gets back into the fight much quicker with any semi-auto!

This.....if you don't understand / or can't learn how to deal with malfunctions on the single action 1911 pistol, stick with a wheel gun. Second strike capability in a pistol fight is a suicidal tendency. The fact that you would post this is indeed "curious". It makes me very curious as to the common sense factor these days

lilmule · 11-08-2012, 04:15 PM

Well tend to agree for much of it reasoning,yet some mfg(like com block.also have yet to see a 1911 in 9x18 or 7.62x25)) have extra hard primers in case of a light strike second one can make it go bang.But for that one needs a true da,sa rack and try again,then switch ammo to something more docile.

.44SNUB · 11-09-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett007

This.....if you don't understand / or can't learn how to deal with malfunctions on the single action 1911 pistol, stick with a wheel gun. Second strike capability in a pistol fight is a suicidal tendency. The fact that you would post this is indeed "curious". It makes me very curious as to the common sense factor these days

I did read, as of a week ago, all of the threads in the centerfire revolvers and pistols section.....pretty good stuff there. But for the life of me I don't recall any threads defining "curious" as a reason to place negative labels on a member wanting to know about a particular gun's workings.....or maybe I just didn't notice crockett007's name. I thank the other two members for their helpful replies.

crockett007 · 11-10-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by .44SNUB

I did read, as of a week ago, all of the threads in the centerfire revolvers and pistols section.....pretty good stuff there. But for the life of me I don't recall any threads defining "curious" as a reason to place negative labels on a member wanting to know about a particular gun's workings.....or maybe I just didn't notice crockett007's name. I thank the other two members for their helpful replies.

Not trying to hurt your feelings. Sorry.

HAGEN442 · 11-11-2012, 09:02 AM

New Agent 9MM
Another Dancing Pony with all the History and Quality that comes with the Colt Name.
Excellent Firearm
00

2000ShadowACE · 11-16-2012, 07:29 AM

I do not know about the colt, but I have fired the Taurus semi autos with strike two capability and I do not think it took as long as racking the slide to squeeze the trigger a second time and have the round go off. Some cheap ammo has very hard primers and that second strike usually gets the round to pop.

11-06-2012, 06:40 AM	#1
.44SNUB Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 10	Second Strike Capability on New Agent? I have not read all of the threads (yet) and would like to know if the DAO Colt New Agent has second strike capability. Would be a shame if their engineers left that out. -->

11-06-2012, 06:59 AM	#2
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,532	Re: Second Strike Capability on New Agent? It is a true Double Action pistol, so I would think that second strike would be there. Here is a good write up on it: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/rev...e-colt-stable/ __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

11-06-2012, 03:28 PM	#3
.44SNUB Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 10	Re: Second Strike Capability on New Agent? Thank you Carver for your reply and the great article. Here is a posting I copied off TFF. I hope the Colt is not two-faced as this posting says about Glock and Kahr. ============================ DAO has TWO faces. Beretta builds a DAO M-92, whick cocks and drops the hammer, full force, every time the trigger is pulled, just like a S&W revolver; Glock, also considered DAO, by most, and Kahr, do not! Both Kahr, and Glock, require slide cycling to 'half cock' the striker, the trigger doing the rest. Consistant pull, when the gun runs, but "no joy" (read this, immediate action drill:"Tap-Rack-Bang") if it does not! The Beretta, and the S&W 39/59 crowd, will at least, give a full force swat, to the same (dud?) round, if the trigger is pulled again! Same applies to Walther, in the PP, and P, series pistols. S&W Revolver, action is the same; ie, pull the trigger again, except you get a new round in the breech, every pull of the trigger! Draw your own conclusions, based on application, ability, budget, and energy requirements.

11-06-2012, 04:07 PM	#4
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,532	Re: Second Strike Capability on New Agent? Sorry I didn't welcome you to the forum on my first post, just didn't see that you were new! I believe the Glock, and Khar, are striker fired guns. For the guns that are striker-fired and SAO (like the Glock or Khar) there is no "second-strike" capability, meaning if the first pull of the trigger doesn't go bang, you cannot just squeeze the trigger again and strike the primer again. I think that the Colt New Agent, with a 10 lb trigger pull would be second strike capable. Just courious though as to why you would want a gun with second strike ability? If that primer didn't "pop" the first time it was struck, I don't think I would be worried about a second strike! Tap-Rack-Bang gets back into the fight much quicker with any semi-auto! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

11-07-2012, 06:53 AM	#5
.44SNUB Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 10	Re: Second Strike Capability on New Agent? I joined this forum in May 2010, but I believe this is my first posting. Like all forums you have to sift through some amount of chaff to get to the real stuff. I was one of the first in South Carolina to get a CWP, at last my carry was legal. My carry gun when in the USA is a Charter Arms .44 Bulldog (1974). The original tapered barrel, non-sleeved. I decided the 3" made the gun too long for my pocket (only 7/16" shorter than my Browning Hi-Power). I was on a work assignment in California in 1991 and had a gunsmith take the barrel down to 1 13/16" and make that dreadful hook front sight into a non-snagging ramp. I had him take the hammer spur off, a detriment to metal in the pocket being removed. It was reborn as 6 5/16" long with the original Bulldog grips. It didn't take me long to realize this gun was areal beast to shoot. I may have been better off to have an assailant shoot the gun at me. It has stopping power at both ends. I sent the Bulldog to Mag-Na-Port for their famous surgery. Well, the gun did not flip so much anymore and, maybe it's my imagination, the perceived recoil seemed to be less. Yes I know that's against the laws of physics but it was there. I borrowed a chronograph and ran several factory loads through the screens. Very disappointing ballistics.....the bullet isn't in the barrel long enopugh to get the benefit of the explosion. I decided to look for the fiercest .44 Special load. It is Buffalo Bore Heavy .44 with a 255-grain Keith bullet. Tim of Buffalo Bore says don't shoot their round in the Bulldog, I disobeyed knowing of hotter handloads being fed through the light Bulldog. I fired enough rounds to get an average chronograph reading, but not more. The gun is hell to shoot. It would be used only in times of self-defense since I am not a sado-masochist. 817 FPS gives it the same energy as a 230-grain .45ACP. I guess I got carried away with my revolver story in a 1911 forum. Please forgive me for defiling the forum. Nice to meet you Carver. Ed

11-07-2012, 06:58 AM	#6
.44SNUB Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 10	Re: Second Strike Capability on New Agent? Hmmmm, I neglected to say why I'm interested in the New Agent. I'm considering giving my Bulldog a rest and using a pony.

11-08-2012, 04:15 PM	#9
lilmule V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Buchanan,Tn Posts: 50	Re: Second Strike Capability on New Agent? Well tend to agree for much of it reasoning,yet some mfg(like com block.also have yet to see a 1911 in 9x18 or 7.62x25)) have extra hard primers in case of a light strike second one can make it go bang.But for that one needs a true da,sa rack and try again,then switch ammo to something more docile. Last edited by lilmule; 11-08-2012 at 04:17 PM..

11-11-2012, 09:02 AM	#12
HAGEN442 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: The Dodge House, NC Posts: 70	Re: Second Strike Capability on New Agent? New Agent 9MM Another Dancing Pony with all the History and Quality that comes with the Colt Name. Excellent Firearm 00 __________________ "A Man's got to have a Code, a Creed to Live By, No Matter his Job" JW

11-16-2012, 07:29 AM	#13
2000ShadowACE V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Eastern Iowa Posts: 156	Re: Second Strike Capability on New Agent? I do not know about the colt, but I have fired the Taurus semi autos with strike two capability and I do not think it took as long as racking the slide to squeeze the trigger a second time and have the round go off. Some cheap ammo has very hard primers and that second strike usually gets the round to pop.