To you third party voters

[Appliancedude]

Originally Posted by CampingJosh

Fiscal conservatives who are socially moderate or even liberal (libertarians, small "l") were actively attacked by the Republican Party and by a lot of members here.

Yea because this was the outcome we feared. We tried honey. They refused because they knew better, We didn't break out the vinegar until the month before.

Tell me my vote went for Obama. Whatever. At least I tried to convince whatever liberal I met why Romney was the better choice. You tried to convince us why voting 3rd party was the the thing to do.

This is why we need 51 states. Cali needs to be split up, North and South. He wouldn't have won the northern half.

[al45lc]

Originally Posted by cheesewiz

Galatians 6:7

Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.

Yeah. nice. Problem is, the sowing is in the communal plot, nothing like starving as a group.
It isn't one, it's ALL.

[cycloneman]

All you guys quoting the bible. Did you ever stop and think that God is telling to do something else other than pray?

Prayinig is easy. I can do it all day long from a comfy chair.

This is gona take blood sweat and tears.

You want to pray? Pray for the do'ers

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by Appliancedude

Tell me my vote went for Obama. Whatever. At least I tried to convince whatever liberal I met why Romney was the better choice. You tried to convince us why voting 3rd party was the the thing to do.

I didn't argue that anyone should vote third party. My point in all of it was that Republicans insulting libertarians are going to be pissed that libertarians didn't vote Republican. But it's the bed you made.
I argued that no one should be insulted for voting third party. It's clear that I wasted my breath, because you're still more pissed at the minority who love freedom rather than the majority who love "free" stuff and voted for a socialist who has stated that he wants to destroy our country ("transform" was the word he used to put his agenda in a better light).

I voted Romney. I told everyone I talked to that Romney was the best of the worst and should be supported.

But we all lost. We're all pissed. If you want to blame me, that's fine, but it's just as easy to point fingers at you.

This is why we need 51 states. Cali needs to be split up, North and South. He wouldn't have won the northern half.

Change your constitution so that the electoral vote is split proportionally. Be prepared for a BIG fight, but it will likely be easier than getting the state split.

[Appliancedude]

Whatever Josh, you don't know what your talking about


I'm pissed at every selfish person in this country. Why blame the takers here. THERE ARN'T ANY. Who I can blame here is the selfish, stubborn people who voted for themselves instead of their country. You think I'm more pissed at the 3rd party voters? Thats where you don't know jack, Josh. I'm pissed at them all. Will I regret this thread later. Maybe. We will see. Right now I'm pissed and I don't give a damn

[g1nomad]

Originally Posted by Appliancedude

I'm pissed at every selfish person in this country.

I am clueless here, but can I ask this. Shouldn't you only be mad at those that voted for a 3rd party in the swing states? That electoral college thing?
I am just trying to reduce the hate.

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by g1nomad

I am clueless here, but can I ask this. Shouldn't you only be mad at those that voted for a 3rd party in the swing states? That electoral college thing?
I am just trying to reduce the hate.

I tried to point that out earlier. Don't worry about it; he just needs to vent.

[RunningOnMT]

Speaking of God, do you wonder if this nor'easter they're talking about might have something to do with New England being so rabidly for Obama. What goes around, comes around.

[Twicepop]

It isn't all the fault of the third party voters. If those two ********, one being from Indiana and the other from Missouri had kept thier mouths shut about rape, women and pregnancy it may not have turned the way it did.

[cycloneman]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

Speaking of God, do you wonder if this nor'easter they're talking about might have something to do with New England being so rabidly for Obama. What goes around, comes around.

How does that song go. And the 3 men i admire the most the father son and the holy ghost, they caught the last train for the coast.

Nope its just the weather gona happen like it allways does. I predict it will happen a few more times this winter. Now thats a weather forcast you can depend on.

[al45lc]

As pointed out, infighting won't do a thing.
We were lost from the getgo, when there are THAT many takers over the providers, it's a done deal.
We are now the minority, without the perks of being able to cry 'foul' or racism when we don't get our way.
Better be nice to each other here, it's now our only sanctuary.

[01brian]

Originally Posted by al45lc

As pointed out, infighting won't do a thing.
We were lost from the getgo, when there are THAT many takers over the providers, it's a done deal.
We are now the minority, without the perks of being able to cry 'foul' or racism when we don't get our way.
Better be nice to each other here, it's now our only sanctuary.

Yup, not too many other places to turn...Just needed to vent and regroup is all.

[WHSmithIV]

Originally Posted by Appliancedude

Thanks for helping Obama win. We appreciate it. Really we do. Remind me next year how you helped the country. Ok?

Sadly, I was doing some checking on that. Even if ALL the third party votes had gone to Mitt it would not have been enough for him to carry the states needed.

[45silverback]

Has anybody actually read the "Cloward–Piven strategy"?

I said in another post that this had nothing to do with any of this individual cause, third party support, idealistic bs.

This was Capitalism or Communism. Capitalism lost. Nobody would look at the big picture. Everybody was worried about who was sleeping with who, who could smoke a joint in their livingroom, who was deciding to end a pregnancy, what church the other guy went to.... Everytyhing except the *******ED WAR WE ARE IN....

WHO WON THE COLD WAR NOW?

[jack404]

Richard Kim, writing in 2010 in The Nation (in which the original essay appeared), called such assertions "a reactionary paranoid fantasy..." but says that "the left's gut reaction upon hearing of it--to laugh it off as a Scooby-Doo comic mystery--does nothing to blunt its appeal or limit its impact."[14] The Nation later stated that Beck blames the "Cloward-Piven Strategy" for "the financial crisis of 2008, healthcare reform, Obama's election and massive voter fraud" and has resulted in the posting of much violent and threatening rhetoric by users on Beck's website, including death threats against Frances Fox Piven.[15] For her part, Piven vigorously continues to defend the original idea, calling its conservative interpretation "lunatic".[16] On November 6, 2012 Obama was re-elected President of the US and stated that I have much more work to do to create a working version of Cloward-Piven Strategy.

[45silverback]

Originally Posted by jack404

Richard Kim, writing in 2010 in The Nation (in which the original essay appeared), called such assertions "a reactionary paranoid fantasy..." but says that "the left's gut reaction upon hearing of it--to laugh it off as a Scooby-Doo comic mystery--does nothing to blunt its appeal or limit its impact."[14] The Nation later stated that Beck blames the "Cloward-Piven Strategy" for "the financial crisis of 2008, healthcare reform, Obama's election and massive voter fraud" and has resulted in the posting of much violent and threatening rhetoric by users on Beck's website, including death threats against Frances Fox Piven.[15] For her part, Piven vigorously continues to defend the original idea, calling its conservative interpretation "lunatic".[16] On November 6, 2012 Obama was re-elected President of the US and stated that I have much more work to do to create a working version of Cloward-Piven Strategy.

I"ve been called a Lunatic, Paranoid, Alarmist, etc, etc, etc, many times, under many circumstances.

I've also subsequently been called "dead-nuts correct" by the same people on a good many of those occasions when everything shook out.

I hope and pray that this is one of the times I'm wrong and just being an alarmist.....

[marlin795]

Originally Posted by CampingJosh

Everyone needs to vent. Fine, whatever.

Appliancedude and Steve4102, your votes went for Obama. Mine went for Romney. Doesn't matter what we put on the paper, your states voted 100% for the socialist and mine voted 100% for the Republican socialist.

I don't think there was a single state where third party voters--even had they voted 100% for Romney, an unrealistic expectation--would have made the difference.

Romney spent the last debate doing his best to confirm that he is exactly Obama with an (R) after his name. Why did the Republican party spend so much money trying to convince wishywashy moderates that Romney was better than Obama rather than trying to convince libertarians that Romney would be good for the country?

Fiscal conservatives who are socially moderate or even liberal (libertarians, small "l") were actively attacked by the Republican Party and by a lot of members here.

Next time, maybe try honey rather than vinegar.

Don't get me started on that BS. I voted Romney because he was our last hope. My state is full of damn Mexican takers who I pay for to live here and get free healthcare and get checks from my taxes every two weeks. Most mexicans in my town drive better vehicles and nicer places to live than us hard working white Americans do.

[45silverback]

But more to the point at hand.... Everyone has the right to vote for who they want, for the resons they choose. Period.

To lose sight of this is to lose sight of our core values. I don't agree with them, but I hold no ill-will.

The same can also be said for those who chose to vote for Obama. I don't agree with them. I think in most cases they were gullible enough to be sold a crock, but I don't dispute their right to vote for him.

I do hope they realise what responsibility they have when things start collapsing.....

[steve4102]

Appliancedude and Steve4102, your votes went for Obama. Mine went for Romney. Doesn't matter what we put on the paper, your states voted 100% for the socialist and mine voted 100% for the Republican socialist.

Interesting way to look at it, I guess.

My Romney vote was an Obama vote because others in my my State overwhelmingly voted Socialist. Even the dead ones.

My Vote for Rep.Chip Cravaack was a vote for Nolen because Cravaack lost, right?

Using this same convoluted logic we can come to the conclusion that YOUR vote went for Obama. Doesn't matter what you put on paper, the Country voted for Obama, your country voted for Obama as did you.

[Old Grump]

Originally Posted by Appliancedude

Thanks for helping Obama win. We appreciate it. Really we do. Remind me next year how you helped the country. Ok?

You are a complete moron who doesn't understand basic arithmetic aren't you? Flip Flop Romney didn't have enough support from people who would have got out of the house and voted for a real conservative Republican. He was a hack loser put up by the party bosses just like the other hacks they put up like Dole and McCain.

Only 1.1% of the vote in Wisconsin didn't go to Romney or the current resident of the White House. Romney had 5.5% fewer votes because more single young amoral people went out to vote than the staid conservative normal folks with conservative values. Go ahead blame us Libertarians, I bet you think gnomes come in and steal a sock out of your laundry hamper every night don't you?

[steve4102]

Originally Posted by Old Grump

You are a complete moron who doesn't understand basic arithmetic aren't you? Flip Flop Romney didn't have enough support from people who would have got out of the house and voted for a real conservative Republican. He was a hack loser put up by the party bosses just like the other hacks they put up like Dole and McCain.

Only 1.1% of the vote in Wisconsin didn't go to Romney or the current resident of the White House. Romney had 5.5% fewer votes because more single young amoral people went out to vote than the staid conservative normal folks with conservative values. Go ahead blame us Libertarians, I bet you think gnomes come in and steal a sock out of your laundry hamper every night don't you?

Name calling, how nice.

[1 Eyed Jack]

Originally Posted by steve4102

Name calling, how nice.

Been waiting for this Liberal in Libertarian clothes to chime in with his "wisdom", been keeping pretty quiet but I knew the selfish 3rd party voter/promoter just couldn't keep quiet, yes I said selfish, because it is, when you vote to make yourself feel like you did the right thing, instead of for the good of the country as a whole.

[steve4102]

Originally Posted by 1 Eyed Jack

Been waiting for this Liberal in Libertarian clothes to chime in with his "wisdom", been keeping pretty quiet but I knew the selfish 3rd party voter/promoter just couldn't keep quiet, yes I said selfish, because it is, when you vote to make yourself feel like you did the right thing, instead of for the good of the country as a whole.

I like that, well done!

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by steve4102

My Vote for Rep.Chip Cravaack was a vote for Nolen because Cravaack lost, right?

Using this same convoluted logic we can come to the conclusion that YOUR vote went for Obama. Doesn't matter what you put on paper, the Country voted for Obama, your country voted for Obama as did you.

Sure, if that's how you want to see it. I didn't do enough to keep O from being reelected. Neither did you or anyone else. We all failed.

Pointing fingers helps what? Other than assuring that the Republican Party doesn't grow, I guess.

[schooner.207]

hello , my father didnt shed his blood on foreign shores to have this country go to hell in an election , so contrived , and orchestrated by the forces of evil , and contempt , , sickening , maybe the mayan calender ended because they saw the end , or the turning point for humanity , god bless, and good luck to all , a gun and many bullets might be your only friend