9mm vs 38acp

[Gail of Maine]

I am looking for input as to whether I should get a 9mm or 38acp. It will be a revolver and I have shot a light 38 but not a compact 9mm. Is there much difference between the 2 in regards to hand sting and kick? My 39 special hurts when I shoot, don't know if its b/c its so light or b/c its 38p ammo. Thanks for advice.

[woolleyworm]

Charter has a good 9mm revolver and Ruger has the convertible so that you can shoot 357/38spl/9mm in the same frame. There is a little less kick with a 9mm vs the 38spl. Remember that typically; the heavier the gun, the less recoil that you're going to feel. I would opt for the Charter in 9mm and see how you like it. Ruger made a SP101 in 9mm, but they're a bit harder to find and about $150+ more than the Charter.

[Gail of Maine]

Thanks Woolleyworm, thats what I was looking at, the charter pitbull 9mm. Am trading my chic lady for it b/c they failed to fix it for me. The cylinder (for bullets) was rubbing against the back and hanging up, sent it back and it came back same so I am trading it in for another model although I did like the pink, got a lot of attention at the range.

[Jim K]

If I understand correctly, Gail is saying that a .38 Special revolver is uncomfortable to fire. The answer may not be a matter of caliber but of a heavier revolver or one with a better shaped grip. Or a change to an auto pistol in 9mm. The actual recoil might not be much less, but a well shaped grip on an auto pistol makes the felt recoil much more tolerable than some revolver grips, and the auto pistol action spreads the recoil out and reduces its sharpness.

Jim

[Conman]

I don't doubt that the Chic Lady hurts your hand. Those things only weight 12 ounces!! "Maybe" with some target wadcutters??

My wife wanted one of the pink ladies but settled for a S&W Model 10 with 4" barrel. Almost no recoil at all - mostly because of the extra weight and the square butt.

[jbrescue]

Also, consider a ported barrel.

[Conman]

Originally Posted by jbrescue

Also, consider a ported barrel.

I don't believe "porting" would do any good!

A 2" barrel with only about 1 1/2" sticking out . . .

[Bindernut]

Originally Posted by jbrescue

Also, consider a ported barrel.

While a ported barrel will make it a bit easier on the wrist, I would recommend against it unless it's strictly a range/plinker pistol.

For a self-defense pistol, I will strongly discourage going with a ported barrel. One shot in the dark and you WILL loose your night vision from the muzzle flash. Muzzle flash from a short-barrel revolver is bad enough, with ports it's worse.


I do agree with Conman and JimK. Pick a slightly heavier firearm and that will help tame the recoil quite a bit.
Sure it might be heavier to carry, but if it's more comfortable to shoot it will be easier to hit your target.
My recommendation would be to stick with a steel-framed revolver instead of the lightweight polymer or aluminum models.
As for Charter Arms. I'm not that impressed with the quality of their current models either. It's worth an extra bit of money to go with a Ruger or Smith&Wesson...or even Taurus (and I'm not that impressed with the new Taurus stuff either).


The recoil from a 9mm will be roughly the same as +P .38Spcl out of a similar weight pistol.
.380ACP (I'm assuming you're interested in .380 and not the old obsolete .38ACP) has lighter recoil, but it also has a bit less power too. No revolvers chambering the .380 though that I'm aware of. That caliber would be autoloader only.

[carver]

Originally Posted by Gail of Maine

I am looking for input as to whether I should get a 9mm or 38acp. It will be a revolver and I have shot a light 38 but not a compact 9mm. Is there much difference between the 2 in regards to hand sting and kick? My 39 special hurts when I shoot, don't know if its b/c its so light or b/c its 38p ammo. Thanks for advice.

I went thru this with my wife. She felt that the .38 just kicked to hard. We tried the low recoil ammo in it, and neither of us could tell the difference between the standard .38, or the low recoil. She then tried the Ruger LCP .380. She wasn't much more happy with it, but it did have less recoil. Remember that the lighter the gun the more felt recoil, and the heavier the bullet the more felt recoil. 9mm runs about twice the presures that the .38 does, and with a lighter bullet. But with the increased speed of the lighter bullet, there will still be a good amount of recoil. Newton's law of motion states that a force in one direction creates an equal force in the opposite direction. Have you tried the .38's in a .357? Heavier gun than a .38, less felt recoil.

[jbrescue]

How about a Bersa Thunder. More weight and 380. Almost no recoil at all.

[Gail of Maine]

Thanks for all the great input. I need to stick with the CA b/c it is a replacement. I am seriously considering the 9mm pittbull, 22 oz and reduced recoil although I wish it came in pink. lol but also looking at the .40 pittbull at 20oz. They have a 357 and I do have 38+p ammo left so... hmmm, they also have the 38+p police undercover model at 20 oz. I am so confused, what do you think?
BTW - I can handle the recoil on an RIA 1911 45 but its too heavy for carry and I tend to try to compensate for recoil by pushing downward.

[CHW2021]

You seem to be somewhere around a .38spl and a .38s&w for "preference" in the recoil of a lightweight pistol. The +p 38 and 9 mm would likely be above your comfort level.
A .380 (aka 9mm kurtz) in a heavier pistol would be managable, but the light pistol weight is actually working against you for anything beyond pure defensive use.

[graehaven]

Yep, heavier gun (like others suggested), or go with a lesser round, hence the .380 recommendation. There's some good defensive ammo out there for the .380. That'd be a good option.

[Gail of Maine]

I ordered the Charter Arms 9 mm and its back ordered for several weeks but I'll wait. Thanks for the advice, I will report back about it, they have a 40 mm & 45 mm just like it.

[woolleyworm]

Originally Posted by Gail of Maine

I ordered the Charter Arms 9 mm and its back ordered for several weeks but I'll wait. Thanks for the advice, I will report back about it, they have a 40 mm & 45 mm just like it.

Outstanding, let us know what you think when you get to the range.

[Jonathan Metelski]

my i think that a ruger lc9 would be a great choice it is 7+1 and very litle felt recoil and a 38acp is an under power gun when you can get 2 more shots of 9mm the lc9 retails for 500 i think it is a good deal.

[Ruger_Fan]

If one is having recoil problems with a 38 spl they need another grip or the gun just doesn't fit them. I don't even shoot 38 spl ammo in my 357mag pistols. I have 9mm pistols that fill the same role. There is a reason not many 9mm revolvers are made. A 38 spl fills the same role. If you want a 9mm buy a semi-auto. In the long run you will be much happier.

There is a 38acp that went all but extinct with the introduction of the 1911. The 38 acp just couldn't find a niche. It didn't have the heft of the 45 acp and the 38 spl was a perfect mate to the 357 making it much easier to manufacture both weapons and ammo.

[goofy]

I have sold allot of 38s And have 2 on order right now.
Mike

[Ruger_Fan]

Originally Posted by goofy

I have sold allot of 38s And have 2 on order right now.
Mike

38 ACP? Come on! Tell us the truth. I could see 38 super because it fills a niche with reloaders but 38 acp?

[goofy]

Originally Posted by Ruger_Fan

38 ACP? Come on! Tell us the truth. I could see 38 super because it fills a niche with reloaders but 38 acp?

I don't bs.
There are some that want them for back ups and others for there wife's.
One on order is the pink lady from charter and the other is a S&W bodyguard.
Most of the others were Ruger.
Mike

[WHSmithIV]

38 special.. kick? Hmm.. mine has about zero kick - hardly even notice that I fired something. However, I do NOT use +p ammo in my .38 - it is an old pistol from the 1960's and isn't really designed for +p ammo. It does shoot fine though and I prefer it's single action to it's double action. I bought it missing the cylinder lock ball and with a damaged cylinder lock spring then, found the parts from a place in Georgia and repaired it.

9mm is likely to have more kick than standard .38 with the exception of +p.

Personally, I'm trying to buy a Bernardelli .380 - not sure I'll be able to get it, but I'm willing to pay a reasonable price for it.

[Ruger_Fan]

Originally Posted by goofy

I don't bs.
There are some that want them for back ups and others for there wife's.
One on order is the pink lady from charter and the other is a S&W bodyguard.
Most of the others were Ruger.
Mike

Errmmm, dude none of those manufacturers make a 38 ACP. So I have to raise the BS flag high. they do make a 38 special. The 38 acp is a frikin dinosaur. I doubt anyone manufacturers ammo for a 38 acp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38_ACP

[goofy]

38s is a special.Re read my post and let me know ware I said acp.
I was saying that they are still a wanted cal. that's all.
You are new here so why don't you back down before you yell BS
I know you will come back and say 38s is not 38spc so before you do look at the undercover lite that is sometimes listed as a 38s.
And if you looked at the guns I said you would know they are 38s or as you would say 38spc or 38sp not 38acp..
DUDE
Mike

[Ruger_Fan]

Originally Posted by goofy

38s is a special.Re read my post and let me know ware I said acp.
I was saying that they are still a wanted cal. that's all.
You are new here so why don't you back down before you yell BS
I know you will come back and say 38s is not 39spc so before you do look at the undercover lite that is sometimes listed as a 38s.
And if you looked at the guns I said you would know they are 38s or as you would say 38spc or 38sp not 38acp..
DUDE
Mike

If I was looking you in the eye I would have said the same thing. The title of the thread is 38 acp vs 9mm. Anyone that read what each of us quoted would think you are talking about a 38 acp. Just because I am new here doesn't mean I don't have the right to call BS when I see it.

I really don't give a damn if you all like me or not. It has already been made very clear that you all don't like me so I am going to call BS even faster.

[jedwil]

Thank you....