Escalation: Israel/Gaza

[jedwil]

Originally Posted by Dog Soldier

They waited at their own risk for the American voters to send a strong message to the Islamic world. The Pro Muslum American President was chosen to lead the United States for another four years. They must now move on their own. Our own Army and security is weak from scandles and misdirection. The U.S. economy is bleeding and the President is calling for more taxes. Our weak leaders are letting WWIII start . They will now be forced to lead. Can they do it?

Do the Israelis have the resources to this alone? Not gonna be pretty and makes me sad.

[WHSmithIV]

Good for Israel - a country to be proud of. Since the US won't back them they have zero fear of the UN also. Obozo won't get Israeli backing for anything he goes to the UN for a vote for either. The Israeli forces WILL do what is necessary - Israel is very used to fighting to exist.

[1 Eyed Jack]

Just catching up on this, been out in the garage from morning to 10pm doing a complete teardown, adding shelving and re reack and stack, usually listen to talk radio when out there but listened to music all day instead,

Good for Israel, this may the time that Egypt and/or Iran makes a mistake and Benji completely goes off and level their countries, as others have already speculated,

I wonder what the fallout (no pun intended) would be for us, would gas skyrocket? wonder what the effect would be for us,

[GunnyGene]

Originally Posted by 1 Eyed Jack

Just catching up on this, been out in the garage from morning to 10pm doing a complete teardown, adding shelving and re reack and stack, usually listen to talk radio when out there but listened to music all day instead,

Good for Israel, this may the time that Egypt and/or Iran makes a mistake and Benji completely goes off and level their countries, as others have already speculated,

I wonder what the fallout (no pun intended) would be for us, would gas skyrocket? wonder what the effect would be for us,

Casualties on both sides overnight. http://www.haaretz.com/

A little too soon to speculate on what this latest round might mean for the US, but the stock markets dropped yesterday on the news. That doesn't mean much by itself, speculators use this kind of thing as a buying opportunity. If a ground assault is launched and Egypt/Iran, etc. jump in big time, then all bets are off.

[carver]

Remember the six day war? http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ry/67_War.html

[The Joker]

I am glad to hear of everyone's support of Israel.

[cutter]

I will always support Israel!!! They are God's chosen. Prayers for them.

[carver]

Can you guys read the sign I'm holding in my sig line?

[GunnyGene]

Hamas is targeting Tel Aviv now. 2 rockets landed in the suburb of Rishon LeZion. http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=291954 . I think we'll see troops and tanks in Gaza in the next 24 hrs or so. Story says FADJR rockets. Probably the Fadjr5 (Made in Iran). Range 75Km (~46 miles) which sounds right given the distance between Gaza and TelAviv, about 40 miles between the centers of both cities, so well within range.

Pic of missiles:

[RYANINMICHIGAN]

Do you think we will see a more agressive Israel now that Obma is here for four more years? BEcause they can no longer count on us to keep the heathens at bay?

[Dog Soldier]

Obama is a very weak leader. Both our friends and enimies can see this. His lack of direction and leadership ability will cost many American lives before this ends.

[Marlin T]

Originally Posted by RYANINMICHIGAN

Do you think we will see a more agressive Israel now that Obma is here for four more years? BEcause they can no longer count on us to keep the heathens at bay?

Keep the heathens at bay?

Obomba has done more for the islamic caliphate than anybody has. The US is no longer an ally to Israel.

[firefighter1635]

Originally Posted by RYANINMICHIGAN

Do you think we will see a more agressive Israel now that Obma is here for four more years? BEcause they can no longer count on us to keep the heathens at bay?

Absolutely! And i'm glad they'll be more agressive to the enemy. I feel all the United States has done for Israel is hold them back on a leash.

Picture a pole in the ground with a leash tied to it and a rageing mad dog on the other end, jerking on the leash. The pole is the USA and the mad dog is Israel. Now the pole isn't there, what happens?

[twobit]

We have a saying it Texas that is appropriate to these circumstances .....

'Katy bar the door!'

[GunnyGene]

IDF troops are on the border with Gaza, ready to move in when the air attack let's up.
Also, from jpost.com:

Israel will continue carrying out operations until terrorists in Gaza cry for a cease-fire, Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe Ya'alon said Thursday on Channel 2.

"We will continue until the opposing side says 'enough, we can't take anymore,'" he said. "The IDF has operative plans in place for a [ground operation,] and will use them if necessary."

He added: "All Hamas officials are, like Hassan Nasrallah in Lebanon, hiding in bunkers."

[jlloyd73]

A guy told me today while talking about his leadership in this matter......."well Obama won...so get over it"..... I said "Israel won that land in the 60's, now get over it."

[Dog Soldier]

I can also say the storm is over while it is still raining.

[GunnyGene]

More news today. Israel calling up more reserves, numbers being talked about are up to 75,000. Armor, infantry, engineers. A couple rockets landed near Jerusalem early this morning.

Nobody is interested in a cease fire at the moment. They're going to slug it out. Might end up as a tag team match.

Our good buddies in Iraq (you know, the ones we saved from Saddam) had this to say:

A top Iraqi diplomat urged Arab states to “use the weapon of oil” against the United States because of its alliance with Israel, raising more questions about the Middle Eastern nation's allegiance to the nation that freed it from a ruthless dictatorship.

The shocking statement from a democratic government in power only after the U.S. and allies ousted murderous dictator Saddam Hussein in a costly and bloody war laid bare the Middle Eastern nation’s true allegiance.

"Iraq will invite (Arab) ministers to use the weapon of oil, with the aim of asserting real pressure on the United States and whoever stands with Israel," Qais al-Azzawy told reporters in Cairo on Friday.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11...#ixzz2CPYommE0

[time2shoot]

Gunny this does not saprise me. they will stick there hand out in friendship, while holding a Knife behind there back.
They have know consept of HONOR.

[time2shoot]

Israel just needs to turn that whole area into the worlds largest glass pain.
salve most of the world peace problums. Just my opinion.

[GunnyGene]

This sounds like a rumor, but I've seen a couple blog posts from Israel, that part of the IDF is moving North towards the Lebanon border (Hezbollah stomping grounds). Apparently something is up other than Gaza.

Also some reports that at least a few rockets have been fired from the Sinai (Egypt).

[twobit]

The problem with using nukes is that the attacks on Israel are from a distance of fifty miles or so. Too close. Like having a grenade fight in a closed two car garage. No winner. Now if Egypt or Iran reach over to attack Israell, then the distance is far enough to survive their own nuke attack.The entire country of Israel is the size of New Jersey.

[time2shoot]

Originally Posted by twobit

The problem with using nukes is that the attacks on Israel are from a distance of fifty miles or so. Too close. Like having a grenade fight in a closed two car garage. No winner. Now if Egypt or Iran reach over to attack Israell, then the distance is far enough to survive their own nuke attack.The entire country of Israel is the size of New Jersey.

Ya I know. But we can dream right?

[GunnyGene]

Originally Posted by time2shoot

Ya I know. But we can dream right?

Well, actually that may not be entirely accurate. the B61-3/4/10 is a dial-a-yield from 0.3kt to 350kt, and there are plenty of them held by the US and Nato (~1300 in current inventory). Can be loaded on any current fighter/attack aircraft in service by Nato and Israel. I'm pretty sure Israel has some or a homegrown equivalent. 0.3kt is pretty small

US/Nato inventory of all known nukes: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/nuclear.htm

B-61 details: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b61.htm

[Gun Geezer]

Our media is doing its usual thing by printing and showing pictures of the poor Palestinians holding their dead and wounded innocent women and children and blaming Israel for exercising its right to defend their life and property.

The only way to fight and win a real war is to demoralize the civilian population by inflicting massive civilian damage.