AK-47 Bolt & Bolt Carrier Question - The Firearms Forum

streetbob · 11-15-2012, 10:27 PM

Hey guys I have a Century Arms Zastava Pap M70 that I recently bought. I was told that this gun was originally designed for single stack mags, when Century Arms got there hands on it they milled out the mag well to accept the standard double stack AK mags. Well in doing so they left the single stack bolt and bolt carrier, so you have a problem at times getting the gun to feed a cartridge when pulling the bolt back. When I took mine to the range I had that happen to me twice that day. I also heard that you could change the bolt and carrier out to a standard Yugo M70 bolt and carrier to fix the problem. I was wondering if any of you guys knew if this was true?

mogunner · 11-15-2012, 11:21 PM

I'd ask over on the AK or Saiga forums, them guys can tell you in a heartbeat.

In my experience I'd say you're probably correct.

streetbob · 11-15-2012, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mogunner

I'd ask over on the AK or Saiga forums, them guys can tell you in a heartbeat.

In my experience I'd say you're probably correct.

This is the only forum I am apart of, the guys here know EVERYTHING! But just in-case I will keep that in-mind.

goofy · 11-16-2012, 04:56 AM

You WILL get a answer here!!!!
You do not need to go any ware else someone will be along to answer your question.
I am not that up on aks so I am sorry I can't help you with this.
Mike

JLA · 11-16-2012, 06:57 AM

I dont recall there being a difference in bolts and carriers between single stack AKs and regular AKs. Main thing is make sure you arent riding the charging handle down when you chamber a round. Just pull it fully rearward and let it go. trust the mechanism to seat a fresh round.

ka64 · 11-16-2012, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JLA

I dont recall there being a difference in bolts and carriers between single stack AKs and regular AKs. Main thing is make sure you arent riding the charging handle down when you chamber a round. Just pull it fully rearward and let it go. trust the mechanism to seat a fresh round.

Yep. There is only one Size of Bolt & carrier in that AK, depending on calibre.

Try different Mags.

streetbob · 11-16-2012, 09:39 AM

Hey guys this is what I came up with searching for single stack vs double stack bolts on google. Check out how much fatter the double bolt is on the mag lip, single stack to the left and double stack to the right. Courtesy of www.akfiles.com

ka64 · 11-16-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by streetbob

Hey guys this is what I came up with searching for single stack vs double stack bolts on google. Check out how much fatter the double bolt is on the mag lip, single stack to the left and double stack to the right. Courtesy of www.akfiles.com

Ok, so is one of those a picture of your bolt?

streetbob · 11-16-2012, 09:58 AM

No, but mine is identical to the one on the left hand side.

ka64 · 11-16-2012, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by streetbob

No, but mine is identical to the one on the left hand side.

Ok, most have no problems with the single stack bolt which should have been converted with the rest of the gun. So here is a link if you want to replace the bolt. I believe you can use the same carrier.

https://www.apexgunparts.com/index.php/cPath/107

streetbob · 11-16-2012, 10:15 AM

Do you think it matters that it is a Polish bolt? I heard you only want to use Yugo parts in this gun. Also sorry about all the questions guys, im new to the AK platform and this is my primary TEOTWAWKI weapon so I want to be 110% sure.

ka64 · 11-16-2012, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by streetbob

Do you think it matters that it is a Polish bolt? I heard you only want to use Yugo parts in this gun. Also sorry about all the questions guys, im new to the AK platform and this is my primary TEOTWAWKI weapon so I want to be 110% sure.

Actually I would call Apex & talk to them directly, they're very helpful.

streetbob · 11-16-2012, 10:30 AM

Okay Thanks for everything KA64!

ka64 · 11-16-2012, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by streetbob

Okay Thanks for everything KA64!

No Problem Bob, should be an easy fix. Good luck.

Ken.

11-15-2012, 10:27 PM	#1
streetbob V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Gulf Coast, Texas Posts: 213	AK-47 Bolt & Bolt Carrier Question Hey guys I have a Century Arms Zastava Pap M70 that I recently bought. I was told that this gun was originally designed for single stack mags, when Century Arms got there hands on it they milled out the mag well to accept the standard double stack AK mags. Well in doing so they left the single stack bolt and bolt carrier, so you have a problem at times getting the gun to feed a cartridge when pulling the bolt back. When I took mine to the range I had that happen to me twice that day. I also heard that you could change the bolt and carrier out to a standard Yugo M70 bolt and carrier to fix the problem. I was wondering if any of you guys knew if this was true? -->

11-15-2012, 11:21 PM	#2
mogunner Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Eastern Missouri Posts: 1,020	Re: AK-47 Bolt & Bolt Carrier Question I'd ask over on the AK or Saiga forums, them guys can tell you in a heartbeat. In my experience I'd say you're probably correct.

11-16-2012, 04:56 AM	#4
goofy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Contributor Posts: 2,015	Re: AK-47 Bolt & Bolt Carrier Question You WILL get a answer here!!!! You do not need to go any ware else someone will be along to answer your question. I am not that up on aks so I am sorry I can't help you with this. Mike

11-16-2012, 06:57 AM	#5
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,298	Re: AK-47 Bolt & Bolt Carrier Question I dont recall there being a difference in bolts and carriers between single stack AKs and regular AKs. Main thing is make sure you arent riding the charging handle down when you chamber a round. Just pull it fully rearward and let it go. trust the mechanism to seat a fresh round. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

11-16-2012, 09:39 AM	#7
streetbob V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Gulf Coast, Texas Posts: 213	Re: AK-47 Bolt & Bolt Carrier Question Hey guys this is what I came up with searching for single stack vs double stack bolts on google. Check out how much fatter the double bolt is on the mag lip, single stack to the left and double stack to the right. Courtesy of www.akfiles.com Attached Images Last edited by streetbob; 11-16-2012 at 09:41 AM..

11-16-2012, 09:58 AM	#9
streetbob V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Gulf Coast, Texas Posts: 213	Re: AK-47 Bolt & Bolt Carrier Question No, but mine is identical to the one on the left hand side.

11-16-2012, 10:15 AM	#11
streetbob V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Gulf Coast, Texas Posts: 213	Re: AK-47 Bolt & Bolt Carrier Question Do you think it matters that it is a Polish bolt? I heard you only want to use Yugo parts in this gun. Also sorry about all the questions guys, im new to the AK platform and this is my primary TEOTWAWKI weapon so I want to be 110% sure.

11-16-2012, 10:30 AM	#13
streetbob V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Gulf Coast, Texas Posts: 213	Re: AK-47 Bolt & Bolt Carrier Question Okay Thanks for everything KA64!