Wht would you sign a petition at whitehouse.gov

[carver]

Originally Posted by al45lc

I don't wish to offend anyone, but here's my take.
Ok, you signed the petition and you have 'cojones'.
As I pointed out in another post, you have now gotten the attention of who knows who or what, and you have lost the advantage of anonymity, however slight it may be. I've had their attention most of my life! This won't change a single thing!
You gave up tactical advantage for what? What tactical advantage did I give up? I never had any to start with!To flip the "man" the finger? Gutsy, I'll give ya that.
"Hello, I.R.S. admin?. Yes I need to speak to....., the Pres has a special request."
"Hello, (name of State Police here), we have reason to believe that a certain person may or may not represent a threat to the President, and would like some background info on this person just to be safe."
Before, you were a name among tens of thousands (more?) of 4473's, now your at the top of the list.
Yep, ya got 'cojones', to be sure.
I might also add that considering the amount of paranoia on here, justified and otherwise, I'm surprised that any here would do such a thing.

I am supprised at you folks! Do you really believe what you are posting? If you guys really think that any thing will come of this then you are really scared! They have you so scared that you are now trying to hide! Think about it for a minute! Will any of these States really try to secede based on the petition? And just like you, my name is probably already on several watch lists!

[gun runner]

Originally Posted by carver

I am supprised at you folks! Do you really believe what you are posting? If you guys really think that any thing will come of this then you are really scared! They have you so scared that you are now trying to hide! Think about it for a minute! Will any of these States really try to secede based on the petition? And just like you, my name is probably already on several watch lists!

They must of took it serious if it was on the news. It was on the news right?

[carver]

There are only two ways to secede from the Union.

1. Through legal action.

2. Throught civil war, if you win.

The petition is not official, it's just a way to show that you disaprove of where this Country is headed.

Do you believe that the voting on the 6th was rigged? Did you vote? Better keep your head down!

[gun runner]

Originally Posted by carver

There are only two ways to secede from the Union.

1. Through legal action.

2. Throught civil war, if you win.

The petition is not official, it's just a way to show that you disaprove of where this Country is headed.

Do you believe that the voting on the 6th was rigged? Did you vote? Better keep your head down!

Yeah I voted for Romney. I wouldnt doubt that there was voter fraud going with Obama's side

[Double D]

Originally Posted by al45lc

I don't wish to offend anyone, but here's my take.
Ok, you signed the petition and you have 'cojones'.
As I pointed out in another post, you have now gotten the attention of who knows who or what, and you have lost the advantage of anonymity, however slight it may be.
You gave up tactical advantage for what?
To flip the "man" the finger? Gutsy, I'll give ya that.
"Hello, I.R.S. admin?. Yes I need to speak to....., the Pres has a special request."
"Hello, (name of State Police here), we have reason to believe that a certain person may or may not represent a threat to the President, and would like some background info on this person just to be safe."
Before, you were a name among tens of thousands (more?) of 4473's, now your at the top of the list.
Yep, ya got 'cojones', to be sure.
I might also add that considering the amount of paranoia on here, justified and otherwise, I'm surprised that any here would do such a thing.

Yea, we can look at it this way and we can stay hidden in fear. The Gov. has every one of ours information, where we live, how we vote, everything. Signing a petition may or may not bring more attention to you, I dont know for sure. What I do know is that its time we do something. Its time we take a stand for what we believe in and not be afraid. I am not going to live paranoid that the feds are coming to get me. I havent done anything wrong. Voicing my belief on a petition is not illegal. I will take my chances. We all better start taking our chances, the liberals are and they are winning. I am sick of them winning.

[al45lc]

Scared?! Hidden in fear? No, not at all. I did post as to the tactical aspects of this.
There are also family considerations.
Paranoia? Possibly, but I am far less concerned with that flunky I spoke of.
This IS the big league ya'know.
Can anyone here REALLY believe that that kind of power won't push those people to do things that lesser people on the totem pole wouldn't consider?
Gun Guys talk about being on a list and all, so what?
There are probably many lists, overseen by those lessor flunkys, but why put yourself on HIS list?
That's all I'm saying, it's just surprising to me.
Perhaps it's sign of people reaching the end of their rope.
It is frustrating, maybe that's it.

[tcox4freedom]

I posted this in another forum-

If the FG were smart they would allow red states to form their own country. I'm more than convinced, something beneficial for all concerned can be worked out; "IF" the focus is placed on the right things.

For Instance:
We can focus on a peaceful citizen exchange where the new "Conservative States of America" can get all the "conservative" minded people that currently live in the more socialist areas of the country; and we can give them all the people that voted for Obama.

Obama gets his socialist nation where he can stay in power; and we get to keep a FREE "Constitutional" republic! Those that want the government to care for their every need will get their wish; and People who desire to be more "self-dependent" will be able to do so freely.

(Not to mention, a simple "citizen" exchange would do wonders for cities that have lost their workforce and have bad housing situations.)

It would give a much needed boost the the US economy by instantly decreasing the dependence of the VERY expensive entitlement programs. (It would absolutely save Social Security by taking MILLIONS off the rolls!)

By allowing the formation of the "Conservative States of America", it would give the USA additional import/export dollars and give them a strong & effective ally in this part of the world; while decreasing the military spending the administration wants to cut anyway. Selling military bases and government owned lands to the newly formed "Conservative States of America", would give the USA additional needed revenue to boost the economy.

There truly would be a lot of Win-Win for everyone concerned if they would take this seriously; and allow the "Red" states to "peacefully" secede. (If done right Obama would be considered a genius and would surely be inducted as the USA's POTUS Emeritus.)

It's really a win-win for everyone!

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[Dog Soldier]

If you are in fear of your government deporting you for a disagreement? Then consider the facts. The facts are during a "Purge" they arrest the opposing party. That means if you are a registered voter and not a member of the ruling party they already have your name.

[flboots]

Carver you forgot to mention that your a Texan. Everyone knows obama hates Texas and Texans. lol As many have pointed out when you enlisted your on file with the FBI prints and all you info is still with the military. And you know the gov. is checking all these talk forums, facebook, etc. So were marked. What else is new. If the socialist gov. wants a fight let it start here.

[1 Eyed Jack]

Each State has the option to "opt out of the union" so to speak, a talk radio program I listen to went over this last night, I also heard people from the liberal island of Austin have started their own petition to not be part of TX,

The TX Gov has already said he see's no reason to change anything, TX, or any other state will never secede, why? Because then TX, for example would become it's own country, like it was before it was forcably taken away from Mexico, well what's wrong with that? you say,

Well it's a long list, but here's a few reasons why it won't happen,

Good: no taxes to the Fed Gubmint,
Bad: no millions or billions of $ FROM the Fed G,
Bad: you are now subject to import/export taxes,
etc. etc.,

Texans are mighty proud of their state, just as folks are of their own home state, but Texas doesn't have every thing you need to move forward as it's own country, for example, where are you going to get basic building supplies? like lumber, from the scraggly pines in E. TX?, how long is that going to last, guess it will have to be imported, and taxed/tariffed till it hurt's, what about copper and steel piping/products etc. etc., are you going to drink only Lone Star? the single most absolute worst swill (I can't even call it beer) ever created? or pay double for imported beer,

Hey, Mexico called, they want part of their country back sorry, couldn't resist,

I have nothing against TX, I lived in San Antonio for 10 yrs, Texan's, in general, are some of the finest folks I've ever met , I've worked in at least 25 different states, there are fine folks in every one of them, no state has it all, or is the best, each has it's positive's and negative's, every one on them.

And no other state will secede either, even though they have the option, for many more reason's than I mentioned above,

[cpttango30]

Old Crazy Joe does have a gmail. jbiden2012@gmail.com Email him what you think I dare you too.

[cpttango30]

Well lookie there Mr. Joe B from Washington DC signed the Texas petition.

[gvw3]

What you could see is an increase in IRS audits for the people that sighed. That how they do things. You forget you even sighed this and 4 or 5 months latter you get hit with an audit. Next thing you know you spend the next 5 years trying to clear it up.

They can seize your bank accounts house cars and any property you own. Even your guns. I have seen this happen to friends so don't tell me it cant happen.

[AR guy]

I agree with most on signing the petition but the thing is, if you sign it then your letting them bastards know who to put on one of their BS list. Everyone who signs it will be put on the no fly list, terrorist watch list etc. we need to band together and stay unknown.

[Appliancedude]

I stopped reading the posts cause they were annoying me. If you are scared of being on a watch list from our government, contact Shooter45 AKA Sam, and have him former guest you. Cause guess what brainiacs, YOUR ON A WATCH LIST IF YOU HAVE POSTED TO THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is not a locked site, anyone can view it, they are reading this very thread. Stay scared if you want, I'm done. I am not scared of this government. I am a true American. When the time comes, and it is coming, I will stand with those on the right.

They already know who we are, where we are, and have all the pertinent info on us. How many registered guns we have, and they have compiled how many you have inadvertently mentioned on here that aren't registered.

If your scared stop posting here. Every post you make they read. YOUR WARNED

[firefighter1635]

These petitions have no backing by the states themselves. With that said if the people that signed these petitions feel that strongly about secedeing from the united States of America then i'd sugest they persuade their elected representitives to start a real petition.

Our founding fathers signed a "petition" so to speak and if it would've turned wrong for them do you think the King would've said, "No big deal guys"? Nope, they'd have been executed.

So I say to all that signed a petition to secede from the Union. Get your representatives involved, get the states involved and lets get the real deal going. I'm to old to play with worthless petitions on the interwebs. I shall however stand and fight with my fellow statesman should Ohio actually secede but somehow I think that's not going to happen.

[firefighter1635]

Originally Posted by Appliancedude

I stopped reading the posts cause they were annoying me. If you are scared of being on a watch list from our government, contact Shooter45 AKA Sam, and have him former guest you. Cause guess what brainiacs, YOUR ON A WATCH LIST IF YOU HAVE POSTED TO THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is not a locked site, anyone can view it, they are reading this very thread. Stay scared if you want, I'm done. I am not scared of this government. I am a true American. When the time comes, and it is coming, I will stand with those on the right.

They already know who we are, where we are, and have all the pertinent info on us. How many registered guns we have, and they have compiled how many you have inadvertently mentioned on here that aren't registered.

If your scared stop posting here. Every post you make they read. YOUR WARNED

Appliancedude, for some it may be that they are indeed fearful of signing an internet petition but for others like me, I feel they have no merit whatsoever if the states themselves aren't backing the petitions. I want to hear my elected representatives tell me they are going about the means to sucede from the Union. Then i'll know things are going to get rough, until then, nothing will be done with an interweb petition.

[al45lc]

Originally Posted by Appliancedude

I stopped reading the posts cause they were annoying me. If you are scared of being on a watch list from our government, contact Shooter45 AKA Sam, and have him former guest you. Cause guess what brainiacs, YOUR ON A WATCH LIST IF YOU HAVE POSTED TO THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is not a locked site, anyone can view it, they are reading this very thread. Stay scared if you want, I'm done. I am not scared of this government. I am a true American. When the time comes, and it is coming, I will stand with those on the right.

They already know who we are, where we are, and have all the pertinent info on us. How many registered guns we have, and they have compiled how many you have inadvertently mentioned on here that aren't registered.

If your scared stop posting here. Every post you make they read. YOUR WARNED

Ok, prove it. This has been posted before, prove it.
Otherwise, it's just paranoia.
If it can't be proven, it's heresay and parnoia.
How many sites like this are there? And how much computer time and personnel can "they" dedicate to ALL those websites ?
The logistics would be astounding.
But when someone posts DIRECTLY to the WhiteHouse, well, now your knocking on the devil's own door, BIG difference.

[01brian]

I'm not scared. Its a total waste of time. Seriously, how would you react to getting a petition from a bunch of liberals? You'd light it on fire and throw it down the toilet. Its meaningless and a complete waste of time. In addtion to that, you are going to get spammed now. I bet you get DNC mailers asking for cash LOL...have a good day guys!

[Appliancedude]

Originally Posted by firefighter1635

Appliancedude, for some it may be that they are indeed fearful of signing an internet petition but for others like me, I feel they have no merit whatsoever if the states themselves aren't backing the petitions. I want to hear my elected representatives tell me they are going about the means to sucede from the Union. Then i'll know things are going to get rough, until then, nothing will be done with an interweb petition.

Hey, I'm not saying they are valid. I'm not arguing that point at all. I think they are pointless as well. Even though I did sign the one for Cali. Like Comifornia would ever leave Obamaville.

Originally Posted by al45lc

Ok, prove it. This has been posted before, prove it.
Otherwise, it's just paranoia.
If it can't be proven, it's heresay and parnoia.
How many sites like this are there? And how much computer time and personnel can "they" dedicate to ALL those websites ?
The logistics would be astounding.
But when someone posts DIRECTLY to the WhiteHouse, well, now your knocking on the devil's own door, BIG difference.

Go look right now at how many "guests" are on here. Ever heard of web crawlers? They are bots perusing web sites. How did you find TFF? From a friend or a web search. Me? Web search. I was looking for reloading info. Its all stored somewhere. Everything you post is out there for someone to read. Is there a specific person somewhere in their undies eating cheetos and documenting everything we type? Don't know. But there are computer programs out there that scan data for info. They are scanning every post we write on here. Thats not paranoia its fact. How do you think they find the obscure web sites that terrorists use to plan attacks. They are scanning data looking for flags. Think about it

[Appliancedude]

Originally Posted by al45lc

Ok, prove it. This has been posted before, prove it.
Otherwise, it's just paranoia.
If it can't be proven, it's heresay and parnoia.
How many sites like this are there? And how much computer time and personnel can "they" dedicate to ALL those websites ?
The logistics would be astounding.
But when someone posts DIRECTLY to the WhiteHouse, well, now your knocking on the devil's own door, BIG difference.

NAH, I'm just paranoid
http://communities.washingtontimes.c...edia-networks/

If you don't think TFF is one of the sites being watched, well...........
Can I say for sure? No I can't. Can you say for sure their not?

According to Jason Brashear of Citizen Wars who reported Sunday that the facebook user, also named Jason, had contacted him with the story, a local police officer and two sheriffs showed up at his home, explaining, “We are here because of a possible threat to Senator Santorum based on your Facebook comment.”

The comment in question? “I wish there was a magic wand to make Senator Santorum disappear,” which Jason had posted to a private political thread.

The officer explained he had made his appearance at Jason’s house,

“..to view the home and make sure that there were no pictures of the former Senator Rick Santorum or evidence that Jason was planning something against the former Senator."

The officer explained the US Government has a system to monitor and scan all social sites like Facebook for key words that might raise suspension of ill intent. The officer stated that Jason was ‘flagged due to his post on Facebook.’

Chris Frierson said, “we are here to warn you that there is a very fine line between freedom of speech and a threat.” He told Jason “Be thankful that it is just the Austin Police Department here and not the secret service as they would be going through your entire house and documents.”

The officer said that he concluded Jason was not a threat and reported that in his statement.


Read more: Why is the government monitoring social media networks? | Washington Times Communities
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[45Auto]

There is so much paranoia assumed here it is like a bad joke.

In 2 years there will be another election and then 2 years after that another election.....

Remember, the constitutional convention went on for months with men who did not agree with each other. They worked it out and in that spirit so must we.

[firefighter1635]

Originally Posted by Appliancedude

Go look right now at how many "guests" are on here. Ever heard of web crawlers? They are bots perusing web sites. How did you find TFF? From a friend or a web search. Me? Web search. I was looking for reloading info. Its all stored somewhere. Everything you post is out there for someone to read. Is there a specific person somewhere in their undies eating cheetos and documenting everything we type? Don't know. But there are computer programs out there that scan data for info. They are scanning every post we write on here. Thats not paranoia its fact. How do you think they find the obscure web sites that terrorists use to plan attacks. They are scanning data looking for flags. Think about it

I know for a fact this happens. Maybe not every word is screened but certain words are. Once your "flagged" by typing a particular word, your watched. No big deal to me, they can watch me all they want, i'm used to it. County Sheriff's had their eyes on me for awhile now.

[1 Eyed Jack]

Originally Posted by Appliancedude

Hey, I'm not saying they are valid. I'm not arguing that point at all. I think they are pointless as well. Even though I did sign the one for Cali. Like Comifornia would ever leave Obamaville.





Go look right now at how many "guests" are on here. Ever heard of web crawlers? They are bots perusing web sites. How did you find TFF? From a friend or a web search. Me? Web search. I was looking for reloading info. Its all stored somewhere. Everything you post is out there for someone to read. Is there a specific person somewhere in their undies eating cheetos and documenting everything we type? Don't know. But there are computer programs out there that scan data for info. They are scanning every post we write on here. Thats not paranoia its fact. How do you think they find the obscure web sites that terrorists use to plan attacks. They are scanning data looking for flags. Think about it

Couldn't be anymore true and accurate, automated programs of Big Brother are constantly searching for keywords on any website that is publicly accessable, the only other 2 forums I belong to are private, and closely watched, the only way a new member/user can get in is by recomendation of an existing member, an application/vetting process by the owners and moderator's, IP address's etc are watched so they know if your account is being used from a computer that it is not usually used from, a "courtesy" email is sent to make the user aware, that they are aware, of possible comprimised account, a quick email back to the admins letting them know I was on from my parents house, in Nebraska, and all good,

This may seem excessive, but it is as close to a guarentee as you are going to get that noone is on your forum that isn't supposed to be,

It stops lurkers/trolls from just hanging out and benefitting from member info, and not providing anything in return, everyone participates/contributes or are put out the door, rarely happens, the vetting process is strict,

And both of these forums were started for the same reason THIS forum was started, some members on a PUBLIC forum were not getting along and ruining it for everyone with the fighting (owners of TFF, sound familiar?) so we said F'em, let's start our own, private gig, 2 different forums were spawned, one that is Blue Water only, and one that is Blue Water, Bay, and Delta combined, as the bodies if water are connected,

So these 2 private forums where started, members recruited/cherry picked from the public forum that had grown too large, was full of takers just looking for info, but not contributing, and just too much infighting,

These forums, where we share gps numbers, reports/techniques/bait/lures used, that are made the evening of day the fishing trip was taken on, for the benefit of the folks going the next day, as close to real time info as possible is key to ocean/bay fishing success as the fish, depending on the species you are after are migratory, and constantly on the move, so info from 1 or 2 weeks ago, like from The Fishsniffer rag, is pretty much useless,

The only way to get in otherwise is to have hacked someone's username/password, which or course is not totally out if the question, but measures are in place to combat that as much as possible, I have never, in 10+ years, seen any spam or intrusion of any kind, I am fishing/hunting partners with the owners of both forums as well, which can have it's perks as well,

[Appliancedude]

Originally Posted by firefighter1635

I know for a fact this happens. Maybe not every word is screened but certain words are. Once your "flagged" by typing a particular word, your watched. No big deal to me, they can watch me all they want, i'm used to it. County Sheriff's had their eyes on me for awhile now.

ditto. Obviously, from what I post, I do not care if I am watched. No biggie to me. I'm not paranoid, just realistic. Those that think what they say here isn't seen by someone, or something, just aren't thinkin it through