Ammo or lack there of... - Page 2 - The Firearms Forum

mikld · 11-19-2012, 01:02 PM

obuma's co-horts aren't having a lot of success when it comes to gun control (yet), but ammo restrictions are easily done. There are several places in CA where buying ammo is almost as difficult as buying a firearm, except for a waiting period. In LA ammo cannot be sold New Year's Eve or 4th of July. We all know about CA's buzzard zone. I understand N.J. has some weird restrictions on ammo too. So, I'm not "hoarding", just stocking up for future use...

Rogeritall · 11-19-2012, 02:16 PM

So far so good here... I keep up with a local gun shop owner here via Facebook, and he says ammunition and firearms sales are up, but he's been running a lot of specials lately, and is happy sales are up. So far (knock on wood) he hasn't had any difficulty with orders of ammo, or firearms.

My wife is always perusing the sporting goods isles of the big box stores in the area, and she said they still have all kinds of ammunition on the shelves, so far anyway.

Looking normal around the central Indiana area as far as I can tell...

Double D · 11-19-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by firefighter1635

This has been discussed before here but i'm bringing it up again. I just got back from my "supplier" which does mostly internet sales but has a retail store front now and people are going ape poop buying ammo. His shelves, which are normally fully stocked, are very thin. I went for .223/5.56, it don't matter to me i'll shoot anything but steel through it, and he was almost wiped out. I bought three boxes of the Federal 5.56, 20 round white boxes, leaving five boxes on the shelf.

He said buisness has been VERY brisk since the election and he cant keep up with the demand. I called a friend and he said WalMart was completely wiped out of any and all calibers with the exception of shot shells.

I hope this paranoia slows down or else prices will go through the roof. I've never had a problem getting any caliber, or for that matter any brand where i'm at, until now.

Have any of you folks noticed a shorter supply as of late?

Exactly what problems do you have with steel? I shoot it all the time and have good luck with it. It shoots straight, fairly clean, never jams or misfires and is priced right. Since I am not reloading, who cares?

soundguy · 11-19-2012, 02:47 PM

i shoot tula steel 223/556 thru my keltecsu16c with no issues.. also fairly accurate.. at least as accurate as my eyeball is using an iron site and no bench.. etc..

firefighter1635 · 11-19-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Exactly what problems do you have with steel? I shoot it all the time and have good luck with it. It shoots straight, fairly clean, never jams or misfires and is priced right. Since I am not reloading, who cares?

No problem per sey DD. This is my first AR and i've had quite a few people tell me to stay away from steel. If that's not the case i'll happily buy and shoot it?

ammohoarder · 11-19-2012, 05:33 PM

The way this country is headed it is good to stock up on ammo and have a way to reload all your spent rounds. A time is coming when we will have to defend our family, our food, and our lives. Some areas in the country are getting hit hard with people buying extra ammo since the election. If you live in one of these areas you might consider going online to Georgia ammo (Canned Heat), they sell ammo in bulk at very good prices. I have around 12,000 rounds and the ability reload each round several times if needed.

Double D · 11-19-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by firefighter1635

No problem per sey DD. This is my first AR and i've had quite a few people tell me to stay away from steel. If that's not the case i'll happily buy and shoot it?

Well, I guess some folks are more picky than I am and I have heard that some guns dont cycle well with the steel ammo but I have had a few ARs and I have yet to have a problem. I am the type to scrub mine after each use too so that may be important. Im just going by my own personal experience with it, I shoot it all the time. I like the price.

MSGT-R · 11-19-2012, 06:53 PM

My gun shop says that the steel casings are rough on the extractor in the long run, and they are selling it on sale for dirt cheap compared to brass.

Oh, and no ammo problems here at Wal Mart.

steve4102 · 11-19-2012, 08:28 PM

Steel cased ammo is fine. It's the rust proof coating ( lacquer ) with some brands that can gum up the action. No lacquer= no problem.

Steel ammo is most often Berdan primed, some say the Berdan primers are hard on the firing pin and some say a special (longer) pin is needed for reliable ignition. YMMV

Dog Soldier · 11-19-2012, 10:58 PM

Why would you worry about steel cased ammo? The cost of a firing pin an extractor? The amount you save will buy many of these parts. I have shot many thousand thru my Colt SPII no problems.

steve4102 · 11-20-2012, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dog Soldier

Why would you worry about steel cased ammo? The cost of a firing pin an extractor? The amount you save will buy many of these parts. I have shot many thousand thru my Colt SPII no problems.

I guess that would depend on the firearm and when it breaks. A broken firearm at the range = no big deal. A broken firearm in a hunting, Self-Defense situation or during compitition = Big Deal. Also a broken pin in a Ruger Mini will require a trip back to the factory for repairs, PIA.

graehaven · 11-20-2012, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cycloneman

Not yet you aint. I didn't see 22's in the mix. And sub sonic ammo too.

.45 are probably allready subsonic, 22 subsonic is a must, 9mm too.

everyone needs to stop shooting their ammo they will need it later

Can you recommend some subsonic .22 that will still cycle the action on a Buckmark?

Also, is ss ammo in 9mm a concern in cycling at all?

soundguy · 11-20-2012, 07:33 AM

9mm ss cycles my m-11 just fine..

cycloneman · 11-20-2012, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by graehaven

Can you recommend some subsonic .22 that will still cycle the action on a Buckmark?

Also, is ss ammo in 9mm a concern in cycling at all?

cci makes a low noise 22 lr. it does not, repeat does not cycle a 1022, or a gsg1911.

remington makes a sub sonic 22 lr that will in both guns, i personally do not know about the buckmark. I have been getting the remington's at wally world. You can also find them at midway.

the remington shoot about 200 fps faster then the cci. The cci is around 700 fps and the remington is just under the 1000 fps range.

9mm I load my own, i use my chrony and go from there.

Double D · 11-20-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by steve4102

Steel cased ammo is fine. It's the rust proof coating ( lacquer ) with some brands that can gum up the action. No lacquer= no problem.

Steel ammo is most often Berdan primed, some say the Berdan primers are hard on the firing pin and some say a special (longer) pin is needed for reliable ignition. YMMV

I am shooting wolf military steel case coated berdan primed ammo and its great shooting stuff. I guess some guns can be picky and you need to buy a box or two of the steel case to try it prior to buying a case to make sure. It may end up gumming up your action after a while, but I dont know because I scrub mine after each session...

soundguy · 11-20-2012, 12:56 PM

i just compired a box of tula and wolf i had (762x39) while loading some strippers.

wolf was un laqured, tula was laquered, and had red sealing on primers.

firefighter1635 · 11-20-2012, 05:26 PM

DD, i'll try a couple boxes of steel to see how it does, It's a Sig Sauer M400. I do the same as you say you do, I clean my firearms after every trip. Wether I fire one round or one thousand, it gets cleaned. I'm OCD about clean guns.

soundguy · 11-20-2012, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cycloneman

Here is something to think about.

When the shtf how long do you think it will be till the world gets back on its feet? Will it be the same as it was before? Will you be able to go to wall mart and resotck your ammo? Is this a reasonable thought?

Just when you think you got enough ammo think again.

When it happens everything will shut down. No food, no ammo, no water, no gun shows, no wally world, no nothing.

i knda expect martial law will be enacted.. adn thet may effectively halt the legal 'business' trade of firearms, and probably ammo for civvies.

as long as you keep your head down and not causing trouble.. hopefully there will be no door to door.. etc.. IMHO.. drawing the least attention possible in a bad situation is the best bet..

soundguy · 11-20-2012, 05:44 PM

just curious.. but what is the overall maeup of early milsurp 762x39

I have used other late milsurp that was steel.

what was early? IE.. when sks was issued... brass cased?

11-19-2012, 01:02 PM	#26
mikld Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 573	Re: Ammo or lack there of... obuma's co-horts aren't having a lot of success when it comes to gun control (yet), but ammo restrictions are easily done. There are several places in CA where buying ammo is almost as difficult as buying a firearm, except for a waiting period. In LA ammo cannot be sold New Year's Eve or 4th of July. We all know about CA's buzzard zone. I understand N.J. has some weird restrictions on ammo too. So, I'm not "hoarding", just stocking up for future use... __________________ My Anchor is holding fast.

11-19-2012, 02:16 PM	#27
Rogeritall V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Indiana Posts: 173	Re: Ammo or lack there of... So far so good here... I keep up with a local gun shop owner here via Facebook, and he says ammunition and firearms sales are up, but he's been running a lot of specials lately, and is happy sales are up. So far (knock on wood) he hasn't had any difficulty with orders of ammo, or firearms. My wife is always perusing the sporting goods isles of the big box stores in the area, and she said they still have all kinds of ammunition on the shelves, so far anyway. Looking normal around the central Indiana area as far as I can tell... __________________ "Taking my gun away because I might shoot someone is like cutting my tongue out because I might yell `Fire!' in a crowded theater." -- Peter Venetoklis

11-19-2012, 02:47 PM	#29
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,453	Re: Ammo or lack there of... i shoot tula steel 223/556 thru my keltecsu16c with no issues.. also fairly accurate.. at least as accurate as my eyeball is using an iron site and no bench.. etc..

11-19-2012, 05:33 PM	#31
ammohoarder Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4	Re: Ammo or lack there of... The way this country is headed it is good to stock up on ammo and have a way to reload all your spent rounds. A time is coming when we will have to defend our family, our food, and our lives. Some areas in the country are getting hit hard with people buying extra ammo since the election. If you live in one of these areas you might consider going online to Georgia ammo (Canned Heat), they sell ammo in bulk at very good prices. I have around 12,000 rounds and the ability reload each round several times if needed.

11-19-2012, 06:53 PM	#33
MSGT-R Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 901	Re: Ammo or lack there of... My gun shop says that the steel casings are rough on the extractor in the long run, and they are selling it on sale for dirt cheap compared to brass. Oh, and no ammo problems here at Wal Mart. __________________ If you suck, go back to the range.

11-19-2012, 08:28 PM	#34
steve4102 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota Contributor Posts: 2,760	Re: Ammo or lack there of... Steel cased ammo is fine. It's the rust proof coating ( lacquer ) with some brands that can gum up the action. No lacquer= no problem. Steel ammo is most often Berdan primed, some say the Berdan primers are hard on the firing pin and some say a special (longer) pin is needed for reliable ignition. YMMV

11-19-2012, 10:58 PM	#35
Dog Soldier V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Great Desert Posts: 154	Re: Ammo or lack there of... Why would you worry about steel cased ammo? The cost of a firing pin an extractor? The amount you save will buy many of these parts. I have shot many thousand thru my Colt SPII no problems.

11-20-2012, 07:33 AM	#38
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,453	Re: Ammo or lack there of... 9mm ss cycles my m-11 just fine..

11-20-2012, 12:56 PM	#41
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,453	Re: Ammo or lack there of... i just compired a box of tula and wolf i had (762x39) while loading some strippers. wolf was un laqured, tula was laquered, and had red sealing on primers.

11-20-2012, 05:26 PM	#42
firefighter1635 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: US of A Contributor Posts: 1,837	Re: Ammo or lack there of... DD, i'll try a couple boxes of steel to see how it does, It's a Sig Sauer M400. I do the same as you say you do, I clean my firearms after every trip. Wether I fire one round or one thousand, it gets cleaned. I'm OCD about clean guns. __________________ "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samuel Adams

11-20-2012, 05:44 PM	#44
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,453	Re: Ammo or lack there of... just curious.. but what is the overall maeup of early milsurp 762x39 I have used other late milsurp that was steel. what was early? IE.. when sks was issued... brass cased?