FIRST 9MM RELOADS - The Firearms Forum

AR guy · 11-25-2012, 03:35 PM

Heres my first 9 mm reloads. im kinda skeptical tho, it doesnt seem like the bullets seated enough but its at 1.12" and thats spec. br speer #14. the recipe is
124gr. hornady xtphp, speer case titegroup charge 4.0gr and a oal of 1.112" and a cci 500

no crimp the bullet doesnt have a canalure so i didnt put one in, should i?
so whatcha think?

steve4102 · 11-25-2012, 04:48 PM

I think you need to crimp. Crimping for straight walled pistol rounds is necessary to remove the flare. Not a real crimp just a flare removal plus a thou more.

stev32k · 11-25-2012, 05:15 PM

Check to see if the rounds slide in and out of your gun barrel easy. That will tell you if you need to crimp. I crimp 9mm just enough to get rid of the bell and make sure they slide in and out of the barrel.

woolleyworm · 11-25-2012, 05:18 PM

Check your bullet mfg #, for Hornady #35571 ( which yours should be ) the seating depth should be 1.060". Seat a little deeper and then taper crimp. It doesn't look to me like you expaned/flared the case mouth much if any, so it shouldn't take but just a slight taper crimp for uniformity.

AR guy · 11-25-2012, 05:21 PM

yeah i took the gun apart and place the rounds in the barrle and pressed down a bit and then turned it upside down and the round just fell out. so that must be good right. but i will go back and take out the flare.

woolleyworm · 11-25-2012, 05:22 PM

Push the bullet nose first against your bench, if it sets back, then you don't have enough crimp. Keep checking with calipers until you get the die set up. Make up a few dummy rounds, this will cut down cost on any oopps.

AR guy · 11-25-2012, 05:23 PM

that 1.060" is that the amout that goes in or is that whats sticking out? so i can check and measure.

woolleyworm · 11-25-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AR guy

yeah i took the gun apart and place the rounds in the barrle and pressed down a bit and then turned it upside down and the round just fell out. so that must be good right. but i will go back and take out the flare.

When you pressed down, did the round go down at all or was it solidly headspaced?

AR guy · 11-25-2012, 05:24 PM

that # your talking about is the oal right?

woolleyworm · 11-25-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AR guy

that 1.060" is that the amout that goes in or is that whats sticking out? so i can check and measure.

OAL from base to bullet tip

AR guy · 11-25-2012, 05:25 PM

it stopped where it should i put a factory round in first then put mine in and they stopped at the same place

AR guy · 11-25-2012, 05:26 PM

well if thats the oal mine was 1.12" so i need to go in another 6 right

AR guy · 11-25-2012, 05:26 PM

it was solid

woolleyworm · 11-25-2012, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AR guy

it stopped where it should i put a factory round in first then put mine in and they stopped at the same place

That's a good thing, you should have no headspacing issues.

woolleyworm · 11-25-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AR guy

well if thats the oal mine was 1.12" so i need to go in another 6 right

just need to confirm what the mfg part number is on your bullet

AR guy · 11-25-2012, 05:30 PM

#35571

AR guy · 11-25-2012, 05:32 PM

i just made a dummy round and made it 1.060" and it looks alot better.

woolleyworm · 11-25-2012, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AR guy

#35571

Seat it down to Hornady's recommended 1.060" , taper crimp slightly and you'll be good to start your load work-up at 4.0gn of TG.

AR guy · 11-25-2012, 05:38 PM

ok i actually started at 3.9, 4.0, 4.1,4.2 and stopped there. i wanna try them befor i go higher. but i will deffinatly go back and seat further and taper out flare. thanks wooleyworm

woolleyworm · 11-25-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AR guy

ok i actually started at 3.9, 4.0, 4.1,4.2 and stopped there. i wanna try them befor i go higher. but i will deffinatly go back and seat further and taper out flare. thanks wooleyworm

No problem AR, that looks like a good spread to go test. Post up your range results.

AR guy · 11-25-2012, 05:54 PM

will do

PanhandlePop · 11-25-2012, 07:28 PM

Welcome to the wonderful world of reloading!

It certainly is good to try to meet manual specs, especially when starting out. However, a slightly longer OAL is not a problem if the round fits the chamber of you pistol and feeds through the magazine. The longer OAL will give you a slightly greater case capacity and thus less pressure and less velocity (and a little margin for error especially if you are loading near max)--everything else being equal. I tend to load most 124 gr, 9mm bullets to an OAL of around 1.11-1.12 (but that is just my preference and it works in all my 9s). I really like 147 gr bullets and those I load closer to 1.135.

AR guy · 11-25-2012, 08:21 PM

Ok panhandlepop that makes sense. I already shortened my oal. I'm gunna test them out this weekend and if I have any problems ill adjust my oal. That pressure thing makes sense. Thanks ill keep it in mind.

11-25-2012, 04:48 PM	#2
steve4102 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota Contributor Posts: 2,760	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS I think you need to crimp. Crimping for straight walled pistol rounds is necessary to remove the flare. Not a real crimp just a flare removal plus a thou more.

11-25-2012, 05:18 PM	#4
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,883	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS Check your bullet mfg #, for Hornady #35571 ( which yours should be ) the seating depth should be 1.060". Seat a little deeper and then taper crimp. It doesn't look to me like you expaned/flared the case mouth much if any, so it shouldn't take but just a slight taper crimp for uniformity. __________________ . What are you gonna do, talk the alien to death? -- (on Sigourney Weaver's worry about Guns in Aliens) "Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." "I carry a small gun to compensate for my huge Blue press." .

11-25-2012, 05:21 PM	#5
AR guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Joliet, Illinois Posts: 557	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS yeah i took the gun apart and place the rounds in the barrle and pressed down a bit and then turned it upside down and the round just fell out. so that must be good right. but i will go back and take out the flare. __________________ * Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. * * Courage is fear holding on a minute longer. * * Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn't give a hoot and hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor ever lose a war.* George S. Patton (1885-1945) *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing * Edmond Burke

11-25-2012, 05:22 PM	#6
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,883	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS Push the bullet nose first against your bench, if it sets back, then you don't have enough crimp. Keep checking with calipers until you get the die set up. Make up a few dummy rounds, this will cut down cost on any oopps. __________________ . What are you gonna do, talk the alien to death? -- (on Sigourney Weaver's worry about Guns in Aliens) "Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." "I carry a small gun to compensate for my huge Blue press." .

11-25-2012, 05:23 PM	#7
AR guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Joliet, Illinois Posts: 557	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS that 1.060" is that the amout that goes in or is that whats sticking out? so i can check and measure. __________________ * Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. * * Courage is fear holding on a minute longer. * * Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn't give a hoot and hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor ever lose a war.* George S. Patton (1885-1945) *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing * Edmond Burke

11-25-2012, 03:35 PM	#1
AR guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Joliet, Illinois Posts: 557	FIRST 9MM RELOADS Heres my first 9 mm reloads. im kinda skeptical tho, it doesnt seem like the bullets seated enough but its at 1.12" and thats spec. br speer #14. the recipe is 124gr. hornady xtphp, speer case titegroup charge 4.0gr and a oal of 1.112" and a cci 500 no crimp the bullet doesnt have a canalure so i didnt put one in, should i? so whatcha think? __________________ * Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. * * Courage is fear holding on a minute longer. * * Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn't give a hoot and hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor ever lose a war.* George S. Patton (1885-1945) *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing * Edmond Burke --> Last edited by AR guy; 04-22-2013 at 07:43 PM..

11-25-2012, 05:15 PM	#3
stev32k V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 371	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS Check to see if the rounds slide in and out of your gun barrel easy. That will tell you if you need to crimp. I crimp 9mm just enough to get rid of the bell and make sure they slide in and out of the barrel.

11-25-2012, 05:24 PM	#9
AR guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Joliet, Illinois Posts: 557	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS that # your talking about is the oal right? __________________ * Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. * * Courage is fear holding on a minute longer. * * Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn't give a hoot and hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor ever lose a war.* George S. Patton (1885-1945) *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing * Edmond Burke

11-25-2012, 05:25 PM	#11
AR guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Joliet, Illinois Posts: 557	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS it stopped where it should i put a factory round in first then put mine in and they stopped at the same place __________________ * Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. * * Courage is fear holding on a minute longer. * * Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn't give a hoot and hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor ever lose a war.* George S. Patton (1885-1945) *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing * Edmond Burke

11-25-2012, 05:26 PM	#12
AR guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Joliet, Illinois Posts: 557	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS well if thats the oal mine was 1.12" so i need to go in another 6 right __________________ * Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. * * Courage is fear holding on a minute longer. * * Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn't give a hoot and hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor ever lose a war.* George S. Patton (1885-1945) *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing * Edmond Burke

11-25-2012, 05:26 PM	#13
AR guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Joliet, Illinois Posts: 557	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS it was solid __________________ * Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. * * Courage is fear holding on a minute longer. * * Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn't give a hoot and hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor ever lose a war.* George S. Patton (1885-1945) *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing * Edmond Burke

11-25-2012, 05:30 PM	#16
AR guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Joliet, Illinois Posts: 557	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS #35571 __________________ * Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. * * Courage is fear holding on a minute longer. * * Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn't give a hoot and hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor ever lose a war.* George S. Patton (1885-1945) *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing * Edmond Burke

11-25-2012, 05:32 PM	#17
AR guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Joliet, Illinois Posts: 557	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS i just made a dummy round and made it 1.060" and it looks alot better. __________________ * Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. * * Courage is fear holding on a minute longer. * * Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn't give a hoot and hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor ever lose a war.* George S. Patton (1885-1945) *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing * Edmond Burke

11-25-2012, 05:38 PM	#19
AR guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Joliet, Illinois Posts: 557	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS ok i actually started at 3.9, 4.0, 4.1,4.2 and stopped there. i wanna try them befor i go higher. but i will deffinatly go back and seat further and taper out flare. thanks wooleyworm __________________ * Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. * * Courage is fear holding on a minute longer. * * Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn't give a hoot and hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor ever lose a war.* George S. Patton (1885-1945) *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing * Edmond Burke

11-25-2012, 05:54 PM	#21
AR guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Joliet, Illinois Posts: 557	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS will do __________________ * Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. * * Courage is fear holding on a minute longer. * * Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn't give a hoot and hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor ever lose a war.* George S. Patton (1885-1945) *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing * Edmond Burke

11-25-2012, 07:28 PM	#22
PanhandlePop V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 252	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS Welcome to the wonderful world of reloading! It certainly is good to try to meet manual specs, especially when starting out. However, a slightly longer OAL is not a problem if the round fits the chamber of you pistol and feeds through the magazine. The longer OAL will give you a slightly greater case capacity and thus less pressure and less velocity (and a little margin for error especially if you are loading near max)--everything else being equal. I tend to load most 124 gr, 9mm bullets to an OAL of around 1.11-1.12 (but that is just my preference and it works in all my 9s). I really like 147 gr bullets and those I load closer to 1.135.

11-25-2012, 08:21 PM	#23
AR guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Joliet, Illinois Posts: 557	Re: FIRST 9MM RELOADS Ok panhandlepop that makes sense. I already shortened my oal. I'm gunna test them out this weekend and if I have any problems ill adjust my oal. That pressure thing makes sense. Thanks ill keep it in mind. __________________ * Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. * * Courage is fear holding on a minute longer. * * Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn't give a hoot and hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor ever lose a war.* George S. Patton (1885-1945) *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing * Edmond Burke