Looks like he wears the skirt in that house - The Firearms Forum

savage170 · 11-29-2012, 11:46 AM

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In an email, Miazga's husband, Robert Miazga of Latham, told the Times Union he was "floored" that his sons had been allowed to touch his wife's service gun.

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http://www.timesunion.com/local/arti...#ixzz2Da4PkPfX

fuzebox40 · 11-29-2012, 01:24 PM

People suggesting this is a bad idea are either plain stupid or have an agenda. A child already comes with curiosity when you get them and the idea that simply putting something out of reach and saying "don't touch" will subside that is laughable ignorance.
Contrare monfrare! And the less they know of it, the more dangerous it is in their hands.

flboots · 11-29-2012, 01:39 PM

Ive been reading about this in The Truth About Guns. Its a law in NY state that if you don't have a gun permit you can't even handle a gun. That is even at shooting ranges and gun dealers. No permit no touchy.

jlloyd73 · 11-29-2012, 01:50 PM

I thought this thread was about HIGHBOY.............??????

fuzebox40 · 11-29-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by flboots

Ive been reading about this in The Truth About Guns. Its a law in NY state that if you don't have a gun permit you can't even handle a gun. That is even at shooting ranges and gun dealers. No permit no touchy.

Oh I'm just gonna be sick!

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Originally Posted by jlloyd73

I thought this thread was about HIGHBOY.............??????

armoredman · 11-29-2012, 09:22 PM

Good article, well balanced. I do the same thing with my son, excpet he also gets to SHOOT them.

Removes the mystery, and this practice was also taught in Massad Ayoobs excellent pamphlet, "Gun Proof Your Children"

I like posting pics to counter stories like this - hey, New York, czech THIS out!

gun runner · 11-30-2012, 02:29 AM

I cant believe these people are making such a big issue out of this. It was unloaded. I used to walk around with a LOADED .22lr marlin when I was 8.

NRA_guy · 11-30-2012, 05:36 AM

Um, aren't these the same people who want to teach kids in elementary school about sex so they will be prepared?

PS: My mama taught me to shoot (a .22 single shot rifle) off our front porch around the age of 5 or 6. I had to "take rest" on the porch columns. Yeah, we lived waaaaaay out in the country---nearest neighbor was about a mile away, 17 miles from the nearest paved road.

Yes, Daddy's loaded 12 gauge shotgun leaned against the wall behind the door and Mama's .22 semiauto (loaded) hung over the fireplace for years. My brother and I never touched either one.

Iron Eagle · 11-30-2012, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jlloyd73

I thought this thread was about HIGHBOY.............??????

+1!

Iron Eagle · 11-30-2012, 06:18 AM

Way to go, Armored.

flintlock · 11-30-2012, 06:26 AM

Wow, the people near here! Rensselaer County is like another country compared to Albany County, and the attitude described shows it. But, like FuseBox points out, without a permit, you're not even supposed to be touching a handgun in the state of confusion, I mean New York. I have no problem with the lady's actions, and have done the same myself when the kids were young.

TotheTop83 · 11-30-2012, 09:14 AM

My wife's family is from the Bronx and they're absolutely astounded that I have firearms. They couldn't believe I didn't need a permit for a shotgun, let alone a handgun.

Recently my sister in law (32 years old) came to visit with her husband. The sister was terrified of the handgun even when it was obviously unloaded. She couldn't sit in the same room with it. She wasn't even trying to convince me that it was evil or that I shouldn't have it; she was just terrified. I hatched a plan and pretended to walk it back to my bedroom, but really concealed it on my person for about an hour before I told her it was there and it hadn't killed anyone. She smiled and said "oh, well I guess it's not sooo bad." First step complete!

It's a different culture in that state (area really...NJ, NY, CT). They've almost (totally in the city) completely given up their 2nd Amendment rights and seem to think a piece of metal is inherently dangerous. People fear what they don't know and New Yorkers don't know guns.

My wife and I decided we would rather introduce our children to firearms in a controlled environment like this lady rather than have our children find a way into the gun cabinet when we're gone. My first exposure to firearms was finding the key to the gun safe and there's no way I'm letting my kids do what I did the first time I handled one.

WHSmithIV · 11-30-2012, 11:22 AM

I taught my kids when they were young - we lived in Finland and I didn't even own any guns there - owning firearms is a bit complicated in Finland. My ex-wife wouldn't even allow a rifle. However, I had friends so I was able to teach my kids. My youngest son is now in the Finnish Navy and is a gunners mate on one of their missile boats.

Now I live in Idaho. My wife (not my ex-wife) has no problem with me having guns and I'm going to get her a pistol of her own soon.
My eldest daughter who was living in Portland Or. and now lives 12 miles away from us here in Idaho and has her own Ruger 10/22. I'll be giving her a pistol in the near future as a gift. Everyone in this valley has guns and I mean everyone. Small wonder we have about zero crime. This is an open carry state - truly open carry. One of my pistols rides on the dashboard of our pickup. There is a reason that it's there and it has nothing to do with people. That pistol is in the truck mostly in case we hit a deer and it isn't dead from the accident - I can shoot it so that it won't suffer.

We have sheep and goats and wolves do come down into our valley. One of our nearby neighbors lost 3 sheep and one of her Maremmano guard dogs to wolves last year. I am always armed outside. To go out and not be armed would simply be stupid. I go outside - I take my 1911.

People in cities simply do not understand what it is like to live up in the mountains far away from cities. The local sheriff could never get to someones property in time to save them from a wolf attack. Basically, if you aren't armed here you can very well become very dead while becoming food.

marlin795 · 12-03-2012, 08:00 PM

Here in Commie Cali the cops are afraid of firearms. I was pulled over once for a talelight out and when the officer explained why he had pulled me over I respectfully told him I had a shotgun behind my seat and the slugs and 00B were locked in the glovebox and he actually pulled his sidearm on me and ordered me out of my vehicle.Eventually he called his SGT and his SGT came down (who is my neighbor and knows I own guns) And asked what the problem was, he said I had told him I had a unloaded shotgun in the truck. He was like so? What's the problem? And let me go. That cop was later fired for pulling over a person who had a lit cig in their mouth and swore up and down that he smelled weed when he drove by. (I'm in Humboldt County you can't go a mile without smelling it somewhere) Thank goodness he's gone now or I would not be happy to get a sidearm pulled on me again.

marlin795 · 12-03-2012, 08:01 PM

Btw, I started shooting .22's when I was like 7 or 8. I respect firearms and don't know why it's (a crime or something) when children are taught to respect the firearm young.

tango1niner · 12-04-2012, 06:50 AM

To stop the curiosity factor when my kids were little I had an old '95 Mauser that I left in the corner of the kitchen. (it had a broken firing pin tip) I told the little ones if they wanted to see and touch it they had to ask Dad. Which they did. After numerous show and tells the gun began to receive less and less attention. Eventually they would walk right by and not even glance at it.
That was 25 yrs. ago. Today they like and enjoy shooting and we try to do it regularly.

11-29-2012, 01:24 PM	#2
fuzebox40 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Apple Valley, Ca. Contributor Posts: 1,485	Re: Looks like he wears the skirt in that house People suggesting this is a bad idea are either plain stupid or have an agenda. A child already comes with curiosity when you get them and the idea that simply putting something out of reach and saying "don't touch" will subside that is laughable ignorance. Contrare monfrare! And the less they know of it, the more dangerous it is in their hands.

11-29-2012, 01:39 PM	#3
flboots V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Northeast Florida Posts: 353	Re: Looks like he wears the skirt in that house Ive been reading about this in The Truth About Guns. Its a law in NY state that if you don't have a gun permit you can't even handle a gun. That is even at shooting ranges and gun dealers. No permit no touchy.

11-29-2012, 01:50 PM	#4
jlloyd73 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,932	Re: Looks like he wears the skirt in that house I thought this thread was about HIGHBOY.............?????? __________________ --------------------------------------------------- The only thing better than good family is good friends. J and D Lloyd Get ready...it's getting "real" and really fast!

11-29-2012, 09:22 PM	#6
armoredman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Proud to be in Arizona Posts: 1,367	Re: Looks like he wears the skirt in that house Good article, well balanced. I do the same thing with my son, excpet he also gets to SHOOT them. Removes the mystery, and this practice was also taught in Massad Ayoobs excellent pamphlet, "Gun Proof Your Children" I like posting pics to counter stories like this - hey, New York, czech THIS out!

11-30-2012, 02:29 AM	#7
gun runner Former Guest Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: South Texas Contributor Posts: 1,871	Re: Looks like he wears the skirt in that house I cant believe these people are making such a big issue out of this. It was unloaded. I used to walk around with a LOADED .22lr marlin when I was 8.

11-30-2012, 05:36 AM	#8
NRA_guy V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mississippi Posts: 287	Re: Looks like he wears the skirt in that house Um, aren't these the same people who want to teach kids in elementary school about sex so they will be prepared? PS: My mama taught me to shoot (a .22 single shot rifle) off our front porch around the age of 5 or 6. I had to "take rest" on the porch columns. Yeah, we lived waaaaaay out in the country---nearest neighbor was about a mile away, 17 miles from the nearest paved road. Yes, Daddy's loaded 12 gauge shotgun leaned against the wall behind the door and Mama's .22 semiauto (loaded) hung over the fireplace for years. My brother and I never touched either one.

11-30-2012, 06:18 AM	#10
Iron Eagle Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Louisiana Posts: 657	Re: Looks like he wears the skirt in that house Way to go, Armored.

11-30-2012, 06:26 AM	#11
flintlock Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Upstate NY Contributor Posts: 896	Re: Looks like he wears the skirt in that house Wow, the people near here! Rensselaer County is like another country compared to Albany County, and the attitude described shows it. But, like FuseBox points out, without a permit, you're not even supposed to be touching a handgun in the state of confusion, I mean New York. I have no problem with the lady's actions, and have done the same myself when the kids were young.

11-30-2012, 09:14 AM	#12
TotheTop83 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Southwestern PA Posts: 108	Re: Looks like he wears the skirt in that house My wife's family is from the Bronx and they're absolutely astounded that I have firearms. They couldn't believe I didn't need a permit for a shotgun, let alone a handgun. Recently my sister in law (32 years old) came to visit with her husband. The sister was terrified of the handgun even when it was obviously unloaded. She couldn't sit in the same room with it. She wasn't even trying to convince me that it was evil or that I shouldn't have it; she was just terrified. I hatched a plan and pretended to walk it back to my bedroom, but really concealed it on my person for about an hour before I told her it was there and it hadn't killed anyone. She smiled and said "oh, well I guess it's not sooo bad." First step complete! It's a different culture in that state (area really...NJ, NY, CT). They've almost (totally in the city) completely given up their 2nd Amendment rights and seem to think a piece of metal is inherently dangerous. People fear what they don't know and New Yorkers don't know guns. My wife and I decided we would rather introduce our children to firearms in a controlled environment like this lady rather than have our children find a way into the gun cabinet when we're gone. My first exposure to firearms was finding the key to the gun safe and there's no way I'm letting my kids do what I did the first time I handled one.

11-30-2012, 11:22 AM	#13
WHSmithIV Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Moore, Idaho contributor Posts: 2,630	Re: Looks like he wears the skirt in that house I taught my kids when they were young - we lived in Finland and I didn't even own any guns there - owning firearms is a bit complicated in Finland. My ex-wife wouldn't even allow a rifle. However, I had friends so I was able to teach my kids. My youngest son is now in the Finnish Navy and is a gunners mate on one of their missile boats. Now I live in Idaho. My wife (not my ex-wife) has no problem with me having guns and I'm going to get her a pistol of her own soon. My eldest daughter who was living in Portland Or. and now lives 12 miles away from us here in Idaho and has her own Ruger 10/22. I'll be giving her a pistol in the near future as a gift. Everyone in this valley has guns and I mean everyone. Small wonder we have about zero crime. This is an open carry state - truly open carry. One of my pistols rides on the dashboard of our pickup. There is a reason that it's there and it has nothing to do with people. That pistol is in the truck mostly in case we hit a deer and it isn't dead from the accident - I can shoot it so that it won't suffer. We have sheep and goats and wolves do come down into our valley. One of our nearby neighbors lost 3 sheep and one of her Maremmano guard dogs to wolves last year. I am always armed outside. To go out and not be armed would simply be stupid. I go outside - I take my 1911. People in cities simply do not understand what it is like to live up in the mountains far away from cities. The local sheriff could never get to someones property in time to save them from a wolf attack. Basically, if you aren't armed here you can very well become very dead while becoming food.

12-03-2012, 08:00 PM	#14
marlin795 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Calvary Chapel Bible College; Murrieta,CA Posts: 755	Re: Looks like he wears the skirt in that house Here in Commie Cali the cops are afraid of firearms. I was pulled over once for a talelight out and when the officer explained why he had pulled me over I respectfully told him I had a shotgun behind my seat and the slugs and 00B were locked in the glovebox and he actually pulled his sidearm on me and ordered me out of my vehicle.Eventually he called his SGT and his SGT came down (who is my neighbor and knows I own guns) And asked what the problem was, he said I had told him I had a unloaded shotgun in the truck. He was like so? What's the problem? And let me go. That cop was later fired for pulling over a person who had a lit cig in their mouth and swore up and down that he smelled weed when he drove by. (I'm in Humboldt County you can't go a mile without smelling it somewhere) Thank goodness he's gone now or I would not be happy to get a sidearm pulled on me again. __________________ Native born Californian, adopted by the Great State Of Texas! PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!!!

12-03-2012, 08:01 PM	#15
marlin795 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Calvary Chapel Bible College; Murrieta,CA Posts: 755	Re: Looks like he wears the skirt in that house Btw, I started shooting .22's when I was like 7 or 8. I respect firearms and don't know why it's (a crime or something) when children are taught to respect the firearm young. __________________ Native born Californian, adopted by the Great State Of Texas! PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!!!

12-04-2012, 06:50 AM	#16
tango1niner V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: rural upstate NY Posts: 60	Re: Looks like he wears the skirt in that house To stop the curiosity factor when my kids were little I had an old '95 Mauser that I left in the corner of the kitchen. (it had a broken firing pin tip) I told the little ones if they wanted to see and touch it they had to ask Dad. Which they did. After numerous show and tells the gun began to receive less and less attention. Eventually they would walk right by and not even glance at it. That was 25 yrs. ago. Today they like and enjoy shooting and we try to do it regularly.